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Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:03 PM
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Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:23 PM
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I hardly, if ever, look at the Newcastle United official website but I've just been to see who Shane Ferguson is, and on the reserve team roster he is listed as Left-Back.
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Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:34 PM
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I love threads like this where the numptys show up and talk shite.
"He's too lightweight" --- So whats Jonas.
"He's too lightweight" --- Played out of his skin against Chelsea got one assist and won a corner for another goal.
"He's too lightweight" --- He did all of this from a left back position.
He is currently being asked to play left wing for the reserves......I wonder why?
Jonas has never been good enough for the prem. Not first time round and certainly not this time around. Lua Lua should be in ahead of him but Hughton fucked that one up.
We have no one else who can naturally play in Jonas position. The fact thats he's already proved himself against the Big Boys makes it a no brainer.
And the man love for Jonas by some on here is simply shocking. Bit of luck though we'll replace him in the window.
Comments on Shanes Chelsea performance
From Hughton "Shane Ferguson floats between left-back and left-wing.’’ And shone."
From Henry Winter "When Ferguson, Newcastle’s excellent young left-back, lifted in a 26th-minute cross, Chelsea’s defence froze.
From Beardsley "PETER BEARDSLEY believes the emergence of Shane Ferguson has been one of the big pluses so far this season for him as Newcastle United’s reserve-team manager.
Its time for Shanes World.
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Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:38 PM
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Noelie, on Dec 30 2010, 11:23 PM, said:
I hardly, if ever, look at the Newcastle United official website but I've just been to see who Shane Ferguson is, and on the reserve team roster he is listed as Left-Back.
He plays left back or left wing. This is him running in a straight line from the half way line and whipping a cross into the penalty area for Ranger to score. Why our Argentinian international finds it so hard is a mystery.
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Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:46 PM
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The Fish, on Dec 30 2010, 11:38 PM, said:
You're funny CT
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Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:54 PM
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Jonny2J, on Dec 30 2010, 11:46 PM, said:
The Fish, on Dec 30 2010, 11:38 PM, said:
You're funny CT
Yet you havent argued against any of my points.
I notice you do that a lot, lots of little posts with no detail, taking but never giving. Dont be afraid to say you just dont know
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Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:57 PM
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I've asked you several times how much you've seen of him to justify a start.
Not what others have said about him, as we all agree he was good against Chelsea.
How many times have you seen him play, to know he's ready for the Premiership.
Not what others have said about him, as we all agree he was good against Chelsea.
How many times have you seen him play, to know he's ready for the Premiership.
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Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:57 PM
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For those like Jonny who know piss all about our Shane, heres a little article about him.
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HE grew up idolising Ryan Giggs, but the unassuming 19-year-old tipped to be Newcastle United’s next big star doesn’t mind the comparisons with another former Manchester United matinee idol.
Standing 5ft 9ins and 10 stone dead, the fresh-faced Shane Ferguson might struggle to sneak into an ‘18’ film at the local multiplex. But get him on to the football field – as Chelsea’s wounded millionaires would testify – and it soon becomes apparent his is a towering talent.
Just ask John Terry, left floundering at Ferguson’s dreamy cross for United’s equaliser at Stamford Bridge. Or Premier League legend Matt le Tissier for that matter, who waxed lyrical about the Northern Ireland youngster’s performance after watching the game as a Sky panel beater.
No wonder United’s senior pros – who have tagged him with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s famous nickname ‘the Baby Faced Assassin’ – no longer feel the need to treat him with kid gloves.
“People always call me baby-faced, my team-mates and my mates! Everyone says I look young. I’m 19 but people always guess much younger than that,” he said.
“It helps me in a way I suppose because people underestimate you. They probably look at me and think ‘He’s young, we don’t have to worry about him’. But hopefully they’re not thinking that by the end of the game.
“It doesn’t really faze me: I’m used to it. I remember they used to call Ole Gunnar Solskjaer the baby-faced assassin – I wouldn’t mind a bit of that! If you could achieve half as much as he did in his career then I’ll be all right.”
In a country that obsesses over size, height and pace at youth level it is almost a surprise that he has made it this far.
Growing up in rural Eglington in one of Northern Ireland’s mainly Catholic communities, he ended up on this side of the Irish sea after catching the eye for youth team Maiden City Soccer during a game with a United youth side at the age of 15.
Asked over for trials, it took United’s coaches five viewings to offer him a place in Academy.
Mum Patricia cried when he left home, but those early years away from his family paid off – and while others might have been more heavily fancied, the slight kid from County Derry stuck at it and snuck up on the blindside to prove size doesn’t always matter.
Not that Ferguson is a pushover. Having three sisters means he had to learn to stick up for himself, while his other sporting love toughened him up no end. A gifted Gaelic footballer, Ferguson was a county-standard player before United offered him the chance to pursue his first love.
Those years versed in the Gaelic game mean he can more than hold his own when the action hots up.
“I used to play for Derry County (in Gaelic football) before I signed up as a professional,” he said.
“It has helped me a bit. Gaelic helped me a lot - I may be small but I never get knocked about. People bounce into you and knock you about quite a lot in that game which means I’m never scared of the physical stuff when it comes to playing for Newcastle.
“I had to give it up to come to England – it is a bit rougher playing that than it is playing football over here and Newcastle told me to give it up in case I got injured, which I was going to do anyway.
“It’s a brutal game. It’s hard, you’ve never got any time on the ball in that game and people are picking up injuries all the time.
“But it’s a great sport and I still love it. When I’m back home I go and watch some matches, my local side and Derry. It’s huge in the Republic but it’s big in Derry as well – you get whole cities and towns leaving to go to Croke Park for a big final.
“Football was definitely always my first love, but GAA was next.”
His decision to opt for football is paying off. After a summer spent hunting for left-back cover, Chris Hughton is now comfortable enough with Ferguson’s progress to consider him as Jose Enrique’s understudy. And he’s a pretty useful left winger, too, in an emergency.
“My hero as a kid was Ryan Giggs – I try to model myself on him. It was Ryan all the way. He was one of the great players – to this day he is still incredible and I love the way that he plays; his attitude and everything about his game.
“If I had to describe myself I suppose I’d be a hard-working, attacking full-back. I can also play left wing but I’m just working hard, trying to get as many chances as I can.
“I started out as a winger but I’ve moved to left-back and I’m starting to really like it. I’ve only been playing it for a couple of years but I’m starting to really get into it.
“Plus I’m learning from the best in the business in Jose Enrique. He’s a superb defender and he helps me out with bits of advice and suggestions – plus even just watching him in training helps.
“All of the senior, first-team lads give me advice. There is just a great team spirit here.”
The next goal? Build on that fantastic night at Stamford Bridge, add to his Northern Ireland senior caps and keep his names on the lips of Toon fans.
“Stamford Bridge was incredible. Stepping out in front of 40,000-odd people was just amazing,” he said.
“It is the first time I’ve played in front of that sort of crowd. I took a look at the Chelsea side in the tunnel and there’s John Terry and Nicolas Anelka – your heart starts pounding because these are the players I dreamed about playing against when I was a kid.
“I probably shouldn’t admit it, but I was star-struck, to be honest! The nerves were eating away at me in the dressing room, but as soon as I got on to the pitch, they just disappeared. I got on the ball for the first time and it felt grand – I never looked back.”
Standing 5ft 9ins and 10 stone dead, the fresh-faced Shane Ferguson might struggle to sneak into an ‘18’ film at the local multiplex. But get him on to the football field – as Chelsea’s wounded millionaires would testify – and it soon becomes apparent his is a towering talent.
Just ask John Terry, left floundering at Ferguson’s dreamy cross for United’s equaliser at Stamford Bridge. Or Premier League legend Matt le Tissier for that matter, who waxed lyrical about the Northern Ireland youngster’s performance after watching the game as a Sky panel beater.
No wonder United’s senior pros – who have tagged him with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s famous nickname ‘the Baby Faced Assassin’ – no longer feel the need to treat him with kid gloves.
“People always call me baby-faced, my team-mates and my mates! Everyone says I look young. I’m 19 but people always guess much younger than that,” he said.
“It helps me in a way I suppose because people underestimate you. They probably look at me and think ‘He’s young, we don’t have to worry about him’. But hopefully they’re not thinking that by the end of the game.
“It doesn’t really faze me: I’m used to it. I remember they used to call Ole Gunnar Solskjaer the baby-faced assassin – I wouldn’t mind a bit of that! If you could achieve half as much as he did in his career then I’ll be all right.”
In a country that obsesses over size, height and pace at youth level it is almost a surprise that he has made it this far.
Growing up in rural Eglington in one of Northern Ireland’s mainly Catholic communities, he ended up on this side of the Irish sea after catching the eye for youth team Maiden City Soccer during a game with a United youth side at the age of 15.
Asked over for trials, it took United’s coaches five viewings to offer him a place in Academy.
Mum Patricia cried when he left home, but those early years away from his family paid off – and while others might have been more heavily fancied, the slight kid from County Derry stuck at it and snuck up on the blindside to prove size doesn’t always matter.
Not that Ferguson is a pushover. Having three sisters means he had to learn to stick up for himself, while his other sporting love toughened him up no end. A gifted Gaelic footballer, Ferguson was a county-standard player before United offered him the chance to pursue his first love.
Those years versed in the Gaelic game mean he can more than hold his own when the action hots up.
“I used to play for Derry County (in Gaelic football) before I signed up as a professional,” he said.
“It has helped me a bit. Gaelic helped me a lot - I may be small but I never get knocked about. People bounce into you and knock you about quite a lot in that game which means I’m never scared of the physical stuff when it comes to playing for Newcastle.
“I had to give it up to come to England – it is a bit rougher playing that than it is playing football over here and Newcastle told me to give it up in case I got injured, which I was going to do anyway.
“It’s a brutal game. It’s hard, you’ve never got any time on the ball in that game and people are picking up injuries all the time.
“But it’s a great sport and I still love it. When I’m back home I go and watch some matches, my local side and Derry. It’s huge in the Republic but it’s big in Derry as well – you get whole cities and towns leaving to go to Croke Park for a big final.
“Football was definitely always my first love, but GAA was next.”
His decision to opt for football is paying off. After a summer spent hunting for left-back cover, Chris Hughton is now comfortable enough with Ferguson’s progress to consider him as Jose Enrique’s understudy. And he’s a pretty useful left winger, too, in an emergency.
“My hero as a kid was Ryan Giggs – I try to model myself on him. It was Ryan all the way. He was one of the great players – to this day he is still incredible and I love the way that he plays; his attitude and everything about his game.
“If I had to describe myself I suppose I’d be a hard-working, attacking full-back. I can also play left wing but I’m just working hard, trying to get as many chances as I can.
“I started out as a winger but I’ve moved to left-back and I’m starting to really like it. I’ve only been playing it for a couple of years but I’m starting to really get into it.
“Plus I’m learning from the best in the business in Jose Enrique. He’s a superb defender and he helps me out with bits of advice and suggestions – plus even just watching him in training helps.
“All of the senior, first-team lads give me advice. There is just a great team spirit here.”
The next goal? Build on that fantastic night at Stamford Bridge, add to his Northern Ireland senior caps and keep his names on the lips of Toon fans.
“Stamford Bridge was incredible. Stepping out in front of 40,000-odd people was just amazing,” he said.
“It is the first time I’ve played in front of that sort of crowd. I took a look at the Chelsea side in the tunnel and there’s John Terry and Nicolas Anelka – your heart starts pounding because these are the players I dreamed about playing against when I was a kid.
“I probably shouldn’t admit it, but I was star-struck, to be honest! The nerves were eating away at me in the dressing room, but as soon as I got on to the pitch, they just disappeared. I got on the ball for the first time and it felt grand – I never looked back.”
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:01 AM
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Jonny2J, on Dec 30 2010, 11:57 PM, said:
I've asked you several times how much you've seen of him to justify a start.
Not what others have said about him, as we all agree he was good against Chelsea.
How many times have you seen him play, to know he's ready for the Premiership.
Not what others have said about him, as we all agree he was good against Chelsea.
How many times have you seen him play, to know he's ready for the Premiership.
More questions and no substance.
I told you on the first page Id seen enough of him and enough of Jonas to think he should be given a chance.
You tell me why we should stick with a man who's clearly lost his way and not give this lad a chance.
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:02 AM
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Christmas Tree, on Dec 30 2010, 11:38 PM, said:
Noelie, on Dec 30 2010, 11:23 PM, said:
I hardly, if ever, look at the Newcastle United official website but I've just been to see who Shane Ferguson is, and on the reserve team roster he is listed as Left-Back.
He plays left back or left wing. This is him running in a straight line from the half way line and whipping a cross into the penalty area for Ranger to score. Why our Argentinian international finds it so hard is a mystery.
can see me celebrating in last seasons away shirt right in the top left hand corner of the crowd shot. not that bald fuck also wearing it.
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:02 AM
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Still not answering Jonny's pretty reasonable points there CT
You genuinely don't have your own informed opinion.
You genuinely don't have your own informed opinion.
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:02 AM
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Christmas Tree, on Dec 31 2010, 12:01 AM, said:
Jonny2J, on Dec 30 2010, 11:57 PM, said:
I've asked you several times how much you've seen of him to justify a start.
Not what others have said about him, as we all agree he was good against Chelsea.
How many times have you seen him play, to know he's ready for the Premiership.
Not what others have said about him, as we all agree he was good against Chelsea.
How many times have you seen him play, to know he's ready for the Premiership.
More questions and no substance.
I told you on the first page Id seen enough of him and enough of Jonas to think he should be given a chance.
You tell me why we should stick with a man who's clearly lost his way and not give this lad a chance.
It's quite a straight forward question really.
I'm not saying stick with Jonas btw as he's been dreadful the past two months, all I asked was how much you've personally seen of Ferguson.
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:10 AM
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SloopJohn, on Dec 31 2010, 12:02 AM, said:
Christmas Tree, on Dec 30 2010, 11:38 PM, said:
Noelie, on Dec 30 2010, 11:23 PM, said:
I hardly, if ever, look at the Newcastle United official website but I've just been to see who Shane Ferguson is, and on the reserve team roster he is listed as Left-Back.
He plays left back or left wing. This is him running in a straight line from the half way line and whipping a cross into the penalty area for Ranger to score. Why our Argentinian international finds it so hard is a mystery.
can see me celebrating in last seasons away shirt right in the top left hand corner of the crowd shot. not that bald fuck also wearing it.
At least the bald cunt looks like he's celebrating, you look like your doing some little shuffle.
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:13 AM
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The Fish, on Dec 31 2010, 12:02 AM, said:
Still not answering Jonny's pretty reasonable points there CT
You genuinely don't have your own informed opinion.
You genuinely don't have your own informed opinion.
Definitely not, hence the thread with my opinion started by me.
Nice to note that you agree with me as well and think we should be bringing the lad on, even if its as a sub.
Your funny
Now why dont you run along and start a footballing thread with your informed opinion instead of muppets with human eyes
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:15 AM
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Jonny2J, on Dec 31 2010, 12:02 AM, said:
Christmas Tree, on Dec 31 2010, 12:01 AM, said:
Jonny2J, on Dec 30 2010, 11:57 PM, said:
I've asked you several times how much you've seen of him to justify a start.
Not what others have said about him, as we all agree he was good against Chelsea.
How many times have you seen him play, to know he's ready for the Premiership.
Not what others have said about him, as we all agree he was good against Chelsea.
How many times have you seen him play, to know he's ready for the Premiership.
More questions and no substance.
I told you on the first page Id seen enough of him and enough of Jonas to think he should be given a chance.
You tell me why we should stick with a man who's clearly lost his way and not give this lad a chance.
It's quite a straight forward question really.
I'm not saying stick with Jonas btw as he's been dreadful the past two months, all I asked was how much you've personally seen of Ferguson.
Thats no substance and avoidance. As I thought.
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:32 AM
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I think CT has a point to some extent, of course no-one knows for sure how good someone like Ferguson (or more importantly Kadar who should have played ahead of Perch) is until they get a proper chance to prove themselves. Perch has had a few chances now and failed spectacularly so next time we need someone to fill in at LB it should be Kadar or Ferguson. As for Jonas, he could definitely do with dropping even if it does just end up confirming that Ferguson or whoever replaces him isn't good enough either, his place in the starting 11 is far too assured for my liking.
Edited by TicTacWoe, 31 December 2010 - 12:32 AM.
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:32 AM
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Besty, on Dec 31 2010, 12:24 AM, said:
You're like fucking Leazes.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:35 AM
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TicTacWoe, on Dec 31 2010, 12:32 AM, said:
I think CT has a point to some extent, of course no-one knows for sure how good someone like Ferguson (or more importantly Kadar who should have played ahead of Perch) is until they get a proper chance to prove themselves. Perch has had a few chances now and failed spectacularly so next time we need someone to fill in at LB it should be Kadar or Ferguson. As for Jonas, he could definitely do with dropping even if it does just end up confirming that Ferguson or whoever replaces him isn't good enough either, his place in the starting 11 is far too assured for my liking.
I always do
, but unfortunately there's more and more tits around who want to try and be the clever guy rather than discussing football.
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