JawD, on 16 April 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:
LeazesMag, on 16 April 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:
JawD, on 16 April 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:
14th Revenue blah - Not sure of the relevance but what happened to it is it declined for ages and naturally being relegated was the biggest impact. Its a no brainer. Being relegated would have a huge impact on TV money. Plus the fans being against the new ownership and not spending as much. All my assumptions of course.
Do we have to sell our best players? At the moment I would say in the same we that Man Utd sold their best player (an offer they could not refuse) or that we have always always said, if a players doesnt want to be here, sell him (Enrique). I would be pissed if we sold Tiote for £10M for example but if £25M came in I would have to think long and hard as that could be reinvested (like the AC money has been) to strengthen us further.
What about the wages eh. Outgoing (of relevance) Barton, AC, Enrique, Nolan, Campbell, Routledge. I have no idea but lets say £50K each. That is £300Kpw or £15.5M a year.
Incoming (of relevance). HBA, Cabaye, Ba, Marv, Obertan, Santon, Cisse using the same £50K is £350Kpw or £18M a year.
What sort of club spins this kind of rubbish? I think you'll find Man Utd fans are often pissed at their new ownership and debt that brought. Arsenal as said spend (nett) less than we do? How do you think they manage it? Are they not ambitious?
So you think we are the same as Bolton etc. Tell you what LM, I reckon all of those you name would love to be where we are right now. Not bad for a 2nd rate club eh.
JawD its a fact that NUFC had the 14th biggest revenues in football. Given the fact that you
appear to think that despite this, the club needs to use part of money received from the sale of a player to meet normal operational requirements, does that not mean you think NUFC need to sell to survive ?
If you don't, at what stage do you think a club needs to do better than have the 14th biggest revenues in world football so they do not have to do this ?
I realise such a logical and obvious train of thought will be too much to comprehend for certain people, like the accountant, his mate the grey man and Fish to name a few.
Because Turnover means nothing. Turnover just tells you how much income the business has.
Think of it another way. Business A has a turnover of £100M and bloke B has a Turnover of £50M. Who is better off? You dont know do you. Business A generates a higher level of income, but to generate that income might cost £99M while Business B might cost £25M to generate theirs. therefore Business B is the better model (teaching to suck eggs here Im sure). But my point is that the 14th biggest revenue is/was not all that relevant. Some figures for you.
04/05 - 12th on 128M
05/06 - 13th on 124M
06/07 - 14th on 129M
07/08 - 17th on 125M
08/09 - 20th on 101M
09/10 - not in top 20 but <£81M - Not surprising given relegation?
10/11 - TBC but I would expect a large increase over 09/10
But this point about the 14th largest revenue, tbh I dont really get your point being made? Yes, I know the income has dropped and that is no surprise given the reasons said. But previously we were not profitable, we loaned the money.
Simply, to answer your question. do we need to sell to survive? No.
Do we need to sell to cover operational costs? No.
Do we need to sell to buy new players? Yes and No. If we can sell a player for large profit, profit that would take a long time to generate through normal trading (on shirt sales etc) then this is a quicker way to have the funds to reinvest.
My turn. Dont twist it or change it. No ifs but maybes. Just a simple 1) or 2).
Which scenario would you prefer :
1) Sell no players (other than those not getting a game) and invest £10M in squad for two new players (assuming 2 at £5M each or One and a free)
2) Sell one big player for £20M (not including those not getting a game) and invest £25M in Four new players (Assuming £5M each still or One £10M, Two £5M one free etc)
Baring in mind we need to strengthen our squad depth, more so in Europe.
1. Yes I know what turnover is. But it represents the size of the business, or in this case football club, and the potential of it. It reaches high levels for certain reasons, and if it starts to decline, it does that for certain reasons too.
2. Yes, the club was relegated. Would investment have prevented relegation ? Would keeping some players have prevented relegation, and the effect on the drop in turnover ?
3. If we don't need to sell to survive, why are we selling our best players and witholding large amounts of the money from the manager to help him try and give us the best team he can ? I agree with your comments about sponsorship, what has happened to the sponsors the club used to have and why have they disappeared ? How do you attract sponsors ? [I'm not asking you this out of necessity, I want to know what you think]
4. I would rather the club sold nobody [which I've said a few time] and put in 2 or more players straight into the team. This is the way forward for me. If they have to sell someone or someone comes in with silly money, then of course they would then need another player and I would expect to see ALL of that money again given to the manager to do the very best he can with.
Because we need to strengthen, because we want to move on, because we are in europe. I don't think it is acceptable to say that because we are in europe it is OK to go downwards in the league next season. We should be looking to compete on all 4 fronts ie League, FA Cup, League Cup and whatever european competition we are in.
I've always, always said all of this. But I hope this answers what you are asking, and you understand what I'm saying.
Edit. I didn't answer 1 or 2, because your figures in number 2 should add up to 30m and not 25. If you are saying we should withhold 5m quid from the manager, then my answer is option 1
Edited by LeazesMag, 18 April 2012 - 09:33 AM.
howaythetoon
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Mike Ashley owns NUFC to advertise his Sports Company and make a profit, premiership survival is the only aim, to advertise the Sports Company worldwide, and if he doesn't make a profit he will sell a player instead which is far easier than going for the Champions League money and success on the pitch.
'Our vision for the club is to finish 10th or above every year, year after year. That is our target" - Derek Llambias, 30th March 2011
QUOTE(LeazesMag @ Mar 15 2008, 10:43 PM)
My money is on Keegan buying well and improving us quite a lot
if Ashley backs him.
"Yet again it falls to us Mackems to educate the Geordies!! Majority means 'the most', so if there were three choices and two of them got 33 votes, and one of them got 34 votes, the 34 would be the majority, and would be the winner, so, in this case 48 is definately the most, and therefore the MAJORITY. So DomMan, who is the dummy?" - SMB
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