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[Christmas Tree]

Monkeys Fist, on 23 November 2011 - 12:44 AM, said:

0191 496 7806.

Do it.

Abrakebabra........what a great name!

Alas I have settled for ...

[Tom]

In which case don't bother going to the Doctors, there's nowt wrong with it.

[LeazesMag]

alex, on 23 November 2011 - 09:18 AM, said:

The Stuttering Badger, back from the dead.

he also supported the appointment of Wise etc - part of the Director of Football setup you see

[Park Life]

The moor returns, subtle as ever.

[jaythesouthernmag]

Who would say playing in the Europa league next season,through league position, amounts to a successful campaign this year?

[manc-mag]

jaythesouthernmag, on 23 November 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

Who would say playing in the Europa league next season,through league position, amounts to a successful campaign this year?

Once again, premature to say anything at this stage as we're only 12 games in, but the fact of a Europa League spot finish would obviously be a successful league campaign this year for me if we achieved it. We were expected to go down last year and now we're not expected to go down this year we're expected to sell all our best players instead (for expected to, read 'prevailing narrative'), so if we finish in a Europa spot that has to count as a good return against those expectations. Sad how jading it is being slated for having a bit of enjoyment in a team that has heart and plays for the shirt because it's supposed to make you some sort of 'Ashley apologist'. Trophyshy made a very good remark in the Pardew/January thread about enjoyment being tainted if you persistently look at it with one mindset. It's simply not necessary and you can continue to have pride in a group of players who want to play for NUFC while having very clear views about where the FCB's interests lie.

[LeazesMag]

manc-mag, on 23 November 2011 - 02:03 PM, said:

jaythesouthernmag, on 23 November 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

Who would say playing in the Europa league next season,through league position, amounts to a successful campaign this year?

Once again, premature to say anything at this stage as we're only 12 games in, but the fact of a Europa League spot finish would obviously be a successful league campaign this year for me if we achieved it. We were expected to go down last year and now we're not expected to go down this year we're expected to sell all our best players instead (for expected to, read 'prevailing narrative'), so if we finish in a Europa spot that has to count as a good return against those expectations. Sad how jading it is being slated for having a bit of enjoyment in a team that has heart and plays for the shirt because it's supposed to make you some sort of 'Ashley apologist'. Trophyshy made a very good remark in the Pardew/January thread about enjoyment being tainted if you persistently look at it with one mindset. It's simply not necessary and you can continue to have pride in a group of players who want to play for NUFC while having very clear views about where the FCB's interests lie.

so do YOU think we will build on this platform and go higher ?

[bobbyshinton]

We have one of the best set of players we have had for years.  How we got them ie on the cheap does not matter it is the results and standard of play which does.  Spending loads does not bring success looked at the 6 toed down the road.  We should enjoy cos in 3 months we maybe in bottom halve may not.

In black and white aSHLEY COULD CLAIM HE IS WELL DOWN THE ROAD to what he set out to do (sorry about caps)

Saying that I hate the bastard cos I do.

[manc-mag]

LeazesMag, on 23 November 2011 - 02:06 PM, said:

manc-mag, on 23 November 2011 - 02:03 PM, said:

jaythesouthernmag, on 23 November 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

Who would say playing in the Europa league next season,through league position, amounts to a successful campaign this year?

Once again, premature to say anything at this stage as we're only 12 games in, but the fact of a Europa League spot finish would obviously be a successful league campaign this year for me if we achieved it. We were expected to go down last year and now we're not expected to go down this year we're expected to sell all our best players instead (for expected to, read 'prevailing narrative'), so if we finish in a Europa spot that has to count as a good return against those expectations. Sad how jading it is being slated for having a bit of enjoyment in a team that has heart and plays for the shirt because it's supposed to make you some sort of 'Ashley apologist'. Trophyshy made a very good remark in the Pardew/January thread about enjoyment being tainted if you persistently look at it with one mindset. It's simply not necessary and you can continue to have pride in a group of players who want to play for NUFC while having very clear views about where the FCB's interests lie.

so do YOU think we will build on this platform and go higher ?

How high are you talking like? Serious question as I need to know what you think 'building' is in this day and age. You've already said we shouldn't be competing with 3 teams (Man U Man C and Chelski) and I dispute some of the beliefs you seem to have about Liverpool and Spurs operating on the same level. They don't financially, you confuse results and finances.

[LeazesMag]

manc-mag, on 23 November 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

LeazesMag, on 23 November 2011 - 02:06 PM, said:

manc-mag, on 23 November 2011 - 02:03 PM, said:

jaythesouthernmag, on 23 November 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

Who would say playing in the Europa league next season,through league position, amounts to a successful campaign this year?

Once again, premature to say anything at this stage as we're only 12 games in, but the fact of a Europa League spot finish would obviously be a successful league campaign this year for me if we achieved it. We were expected to go down last year and now we're not expected to go down this year we're expected to sell all our best players instead (for expected to, read 'prevailing narrative'), so if we finish in a Europa spot that has to count as a good return against those expectations. Sad how jading it is being slated for having a bit of enjoyment in a team that has heart and plays for the shirt because it's supposed to make you some sort of 'Ashley apologist'. Trophyshy made a very good remark in the Pardew/January thread about enjoyment being tainted if you persistently look at it with one mindset. It's simply not necessary and you can continue to have pride in a group of players who want to play for NUFC while having very clear views about where the FCB's interests lie.

so do YOU think we will build on this platform and go higher ?

How high are you talking like? Serious question as I need to know what you think 'building' is in this day and age. You've already said we shouldn't be competing with 3 teams (Man U Man C and Chelski) and I dispute some of the beliefs you seem to have about Liverpool and Spurs operating on the same level. They don't financially, you confuse results and finances.

Ok, I'll rephrase it. When do you think we will stop selling our best players and pocketing the cash rather than backing our manager to try and improve his team and get as close as possible to Chelsea, Man City and Man U ?

[Monroe Transfer]

Tired of seeing this "he's pocketing the cash" nonsense as if it's gospel truth. The club owes him a lot of money. The idea that we're selling off all our best players is so far a fallacy too. Carroll went for the most ridiculous sum ever in football. We didn't want to sell Enrique, he wanted to leave. Big difference. We hardly look worse off without Nolan and Barton and there are reasons for them leaving anyway.

You're so blind it's untrue and I have no idea why I'm getting involved yet again.

[ChezGiven]

Spot on Berb ^

I don't even know what thread I'm in.

[Lake Bells tits]

Tecato, on 23 November 2011 - 02:25 PM, said:

Tired of seeing this "he's pocketing the cash" nonsense as if it's gospel truth. The club owes him a lot of money. The idea that we're selling off all our best players is so far a fallacy too. Carroll went for the most ridiculous sum ever in football. We didn't want to sell Enrique, he wanted to leave. Big difference. We hardly look worse off without Nolan and Barton and there are reasons for them leaving anyway.

You're so blind it's untrue and I have no idea why I'm getting involved yet again.

Well, the question that perhaps should be asked if why enrique wanted to leave. Sure, europe and all that, but could just as well be the unwillingness to spend money.
Yes we owe him alot of money, but part of that is due to the fact that he has placed alot of debt in the club, debt that we perhaps would not have if he did a due dilligence instead of paying 3 times the going rate. Thats not the clubs fault.

He might not have pocketed the cash, but when fans see us selling players for 50 million and buying replacements for 5 its a valid question where the money went. There might be a reasonable explanation but in most fans eyes - and rightly so - that seems wrong.

We are not really investing in the squad, just getting the best players we can within the ( very limited ) framework of what Mike is willing to pay. Nothing wrong with that. Well, there is - but thats how the cookie crumbles.

[Baggio]

A quick calculation shows the average number of points needed to finish in the different European places over the past decade, I've rounded it up to make it easier.

5th - 63 points.

6th - 60 points.

7th - 56 points.

The problem being 6th or 7th don't guarantee you European football and instead you will be relying on the top teams in the country progressing all of the way in the cups, however a quick look at the league cup fixtures for the quarter finals shows that to be in favour.

Cardiff vs Blackburn
Chelsea vs Liverpool
Arsenal vs Man City
Man Utd vs Crystal Palace


Currently we're sat on 25 points with 26 games left to play.

I'll try and update this thread as often as I can throughout the season on our path to European qualification.

[LeazesMag]

Baggio, on 23 November 2011 - 02:33 PM, said:

A quick calculation shows the average number of points needed to finish in the different European places over the past decade, I've rounded it up to make it easier.

5th - 63 points.

6th - 60 points.

7th - 56 points.

The problem being 6th or 7th don't guarantee you European football and instead you will be relying on the top teams in the country progressing all of the way in the cups, however a quick look at the league cup fixtures for the quarter finals shows that to be in favour.

Cardiff vs Blackburn
Chelsea vs Liverpool
Arsenal vs Man City
Man Utd vs Crystal Palace


Currently we're sat on 25 points with 26 games left to play.

I'll try and update this thread as often as I can throughout the season on our path to European qualification.

[manc-mag]

LeazesMag, on 23 November 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

manc-mag, on 23 November 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

LeazesMag, on 23 November 2011 - 02:06 PM, said:

manc-mag, on 23 November 2011 - 02:03 PM, said:

jaythesouthernmag, on 23 November 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

Who would say playing in the Europa league next season,through league position, amounts to a successful campaign this year?

Once again, premature to say anything at this stage as we're only 12 games in, but the fact of a Europa League spot finish would obviously be a successful league campaign this year for me if we achieved it. We were expected to go down last year and now we're not expected to go down this year we're expected to sell all our best players instead (for expected to, read 'prevailing narrative'), so if we finish in a Europa spot that has to count as a good return against those expectations. Sad how jading it is being slated for having a bit of enjoyment in a team that has heart and plays for the shirt because it's supposed to make you some sort of 'Ashley apologist'. Trophyshy made a very good remark in the Pardew/January thread about enjoyment being tainted if you persistently look at it with one mindset. It's simply not necessary and you can continue to have pride in a group of players who want to play for NUFC while having very clear views about where the FCB's interests lie.

so do YOU think we will build on this platform and go higher ?

How high are you talking like? Serious question as I need to know what you think 'building' is in this day and age. You've already said we shouldn't be competing with 3 teams (Man U Man C and Chelski) and I dispute some of the beliefs you seem to have about Liverpool and Spurs operating on the same level. They don't financially, you confuse results and finances.

Ok, I'll rephrase it. When do you think we will stop selling our best players and pocketing the cash rather than backing our manager to try and improve his team and get as close as possible to Chelsea, Man City and Man U ?

I think our best players will continue to be for sale in prescribed circumstances to the top paying clubs. I'm on record as saying this for ages. I'm also on record as saying that ergo that makes you technically correct in what you say that we're a 'selling club'. But as you dont advocate competing with the top teams on transfers and wages there is a basic inevitability about that and moreover you don't offer a solution to keep them if you dont compete with the top teams. So whats the point in arguing.

As to pocketing the cash I think recouping will continue for the currency of his ownership and on a personal level I think that's a kick in the teeth when the guy clearly doesnt need it, but once again I don't know if you're the best person to be banging that drum if you think it was alright to do under H&S. And for the record I'm not saying I have any qualms about H&S skimming during the 'good times' if that was part of their incentive for having the club, I'm a total realist about that.

It's not a dig, but I don't think you put forward a meaningful enough counter proposal to have a real 'argument' with. It genuinely is just contradiction with you (and that's starting to sound like the Monty Python sketch so I'm going to have to stop there)