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  2. Europe --- In or Out

    Almost no one won that referendum, as evidenced by the fact that literally no one predicted we would get what we are getting, and that almost no one seems to be happy about it.
  3. Europe --- In or Out

    Or winning referendums
  4. Europe --- In or Out

    That's assuming Mogg gets in though - his stock is high right now because we're literally immersed in Brexit. If that gets put to bed with a Remain outcome, are the Tories really going to allow it to become a focal point for the party once again by getting Mogg in as PM and living or dying by having what would ultimately become yet another referendum on EU membership? If you mean that we get a GE and May goes, Mogg comes in pre-referendum then ok, it's a more credible threat - but one that's splitting the Leavers right down the middle concerning going for UKIP or the Tories. The less intelligent ones go for UKIP, the slightly higher brow ones go for the Tories, and they end up stealing votes off each other. If Labour goes Remain, I don't think there's any realistic prospect of anyone giving votes to the Lib Dems in such a way as to split the Remain vote.
  5. Europe --- In or Out

    So what? They’re going to vote for UKIP or the Tories anyway. You can’t just let them win because they’re shouting the loudest.
  6. Europe --- In or Out

    It's not just ukip though - a lot would support the tories if they say promise to leave under Rees-Mogg.
  7. Europe --- In or Out

    I don't see it as a solution to anything tbh, it's just a better playing field in which to try and thrash everything out than 'No Deal' would be. We're far better able to put effort into resolving society's problems and concerns from inside the EU. If we stay, and a lot of leavers are pissed off... I mean what are they actually going to do about it? If it's following a second referendum then as ewerk says, they can't really make any criticisms about democratic will, etc. If they all run off and join UKIP it won't be the end of the world. Sure they might win a few seats here and there but realistically, they're not going win power - and a party that staggeringly incompetent wouldn't be able to keep them over the long term anyway.
  8. Alexandar Mitrovic

    So you think Benitez should have persisted player that has openly admitted in the media he didn't want to follow tactical instructions? I'm fucking sure mate
  9. Alexandar Mitrovic

    Mitrovic is the first player we have sold in ages who has actually gone on to be decent following his departure. There are enough Sissoko's behind us for the odd Mitrovic to get through. Generally we sell people and they are shite going forward, which is all we could ask And if we'd bought someone decent this summer, I doubt we'd even be talking about Mitro beyond the occasional "pleased for the lad" etc.
  10. Alexandar Mitrovic

    He's played 49 games for us, Fulham and Serbia since then. 1 red card 31 goals It's lunacy to suggest we are better off without him I reiterate my original post, Rafa is a good manager, he dropped a bollock not giving Mitrovic more of a chance. Particularly as he's exactly the type of player he's trying to mould Joselu and Rondon into
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  12. Alexandar Mitrovic

    A stat garnished by the fact that most of the time since has been spent on the bench for being a hot headed shit Sure there was a retrospective ban in that period too iirc
  13. Alexandar Mitrovic

    True. But the "Mitrovic a red card magnet" cliche is as bad as the one trotted out in the media about Shelvey being a liability if he got picked for England. Mitrovic has had 1 red card since May 2016
  14. Alexandar Mitrovic

    Shelvey lost a stone on Rafa's orders and his positional discipline is spot on, despite the tired "doesn't track back" cliché that lingered around in lazy parts of the media for some time.
  15. Alexandar Mitrovic

    Same could be said of Shelvey tbf
  16. Rafa’s rudderless relegation ring pieces v Palace

    You just know any sale of the club involves a 10 year deal for Sports Direct to sell the kits and to have advertising rights at the stadium
  17. Rafa’s rudderless relegation ring pieces v Palace

    My thoughts exactly.You can imagine him fuckin on early into any dialogue until you lose all interest in dealing with the buffoon.
  18. Rafa’s rudderless relegation ring pieces v Palace

    Mutu Wonder if he's still bang on the sniff.
  19. Kevin Keegan

    Thats mad reading that.
  20. Alexandar Mitrovic

    Pretty sound analysis there.
  21. Rafa’s rudderless relegation ring pieces v Palace

    He'll never play 2 up front so it's pointless discussing it.
  22. Europe --- In or Out

    Norway is such an obvious safe haven. It does fulfil the vote which was only to leave or remain in the EU. It was also championed by many prominent leavers. It would be economically acceptable. And it would remove us from the political structures which frankly I think is highly desirable, for the sake of the EU, if not us. It would be acceptable to most people. It would also give us time to reflect as a country what we want. In a decade, we could rejoin or drift further away. May lied by saying it would keep us in the CU. It wouldn't, and NI could get special status once the government is not dependent on the DUP. As for FoM, that could be controlled much more effectively if the will is there. We'd lose some say on regulatory standards but we'd be a powerful lobbyist and frankly who gives a fuck. We'd retain the important aspects of sovereignty. I'm not entirely sure if the present EFTA members would want us mind. And we're running out of time, although if we get the transition deal done we may be Okay. Not going to happen one, but still.
  23. Mike Ashley -- Football Cunt

    He's taking the piss expecting to sell these and the club not to have an issue with it
  24. Mike Ashley -- Football Cunt

    Money to SD is the only thing he thinks the badge is for.
  25. Europe --- In or Out

    Don't get me wrong, I do think the vast majority are thick, ignorant misled or now dead but I think it will cause a lot of problems if they feel ignored. I agree with Renton (:)) that the best we can hope for is some Norway type deal that "fools" enough of them to keep them sort of happy. Not sure a second vote is needed for that and it won't happen without an election anyway (a second vote that is).
  26. Europe --- In or Out

    This threat of 17m people being seriously pissed off isn't a major concern for me. Of those 17m the vast majority aren't massively committed. We shouldn't fuck up our country because it might annoy them. I can understand their frustration if Brexit is overturned by parliament but if it is overturned by a plebiscite then they can't complain. If they win a second time then fair enough, the country deserves to go to the dogs.
  27. Mike Ashley -- Football Cunt

    At a club in desperate need of good local PR, I think I may have let this one go
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