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This is about where Quiff is atm, politically speaking

Diy

Didn't have skills, used builder instead.

Has everyone who's had to work from home at any point cos of Coronavirus claimed tax relief on it? Cos you can and it's a piece of piss. I'd forgotten to do it til just now. You only have to have worked from home cos of corona for 1 day in each tax year to claim tax relief for the full year, which is: £62.40 for basic rate taxpayers £124.80 for higher rate taxpayers £140.40 for top rate taxpayers (don't think Chez pays any UK tax ) You don't have to know what the additional costs were, they'll just give relief on a nominal £6 per week... And it's available for the current tax year AND the previous two, as long as you've worked from home during each tax year. You can specify which years you're claiming for though. Anyway, go here: https://www.gov.uk/tax-relief-for-employees/working-at-home

You’re shit at this btw

Added to that, part of the reason for the ongoing lack of acceptance of the referendum result is how close it was, because that makes it all the easier to believe that specific lies in the run-up to the referendum made the difference. If it had been 65-35, well, okay, a sober analysis could still easily attribute that to a deliberate drip-feed of misinformation over a longer period of time, but it wouldn't feel quite as much like daylight robbery. But when it's 51.9-48.1, it's not hard to think that a "TURKEY (population 76 million) IS JOINING THE EU" leaflet on every doormat and a "Britain's new border is with SYRIA and IRAQ" advert on every Facebook feed were enough to tip the scales, and I'll never not be at least a little bit angry about that.

The problem with that statement though is it gives cover to the side that are worst by implying that both sides are the same. Yes, there is spin and dishonesty on all sides of most political arguments, but we're talking 90% on one side here. There's a reason all the professors, scientists and experts lined up on one side of the argument around Brexit - not because they all had vested interests in the outcomes, but because they spend their lives analysing data dispassionately and using it to form evidence based conclusions. Quite how we got to the point where these people's opinions on their specialist subjects should be weighed the same as people who can only be described as dangerously uninformed... I mean I'm not completely certain, but I think it's at least partially from statements like the one you've just made. So the problem then becomes that you have one side that is mostly truthful being compared to a side that is almost always lying. And because people who support the liars aren't idiots, and can see that their side is lying, they feel like they have to assume that "everyone in politics is lying" in order to continue to justify their positions. Not everyone was lying about Brexit - a lot of what Remain said wasn't fake news and we can see that now because it's actually happening. Hardly anyone on 'our side' is lying about the pandemic. Or vaccines. I read plenty of right wing news sources and I can see the areas where the left is disingenuous, but this isn't a left right issue as has been said before. It's a common sense versus wilful ignorance issue.

As long as I live I’ll say it’s the biggest con ever pulled on this country’s people. Well, maybe up until the Tory Fascist Party do away with democracy…

Look I’m not saying that everyone who voted for Brexit did so just because they were thick. A lot of them were racist too.

This is a bloke that needed instructions to buy chilli flakes- did he fuck make it.

Looking forward to late February's pic when Boldon Lake has 7,387 mating frogs writhing around in one huge green blob

Hes not that good

I don’t think our midfield got close enough to Gilmour to get infected.

I could watch this sort of stuff all day. Anyone else on here have a soft spot for "how it's made" ?

Well I suppose that’s an area where I can believe you know what you’re talking about

Scarily accurate I put it on for 5mins the other day and lost count of how many times "woke" and "lefty" were shoehorned into the conversation. It's almost like, instead of being an independent, centrist, unbiased look at news without an underlying agenda, it's actually a massive cash grab to pull in racist idiots off Facebook and the Daily Mail comments page

I also doubt you'll find anyone here who thinks this place is anything other than an echo chamber tbh. And honestly I would prefer a bit more diversity of opinion myself, but I understand that the aggressive nature of the debate on here tends to put people off. So I mean honestly, not really going to disagree with what you've said But you have to understand that we've had these debates to death (I mean you know this, you've been in them) and I think the stage we're all at now is that we know our positions on this. You've come in with a stance wherein you've spent a few weeks trying to encourage us to listen to the other side of this, which I think tbf, all of us have done. You'd get more traction if you came in with actual information from the other side, rather than just protesting us calling them stupid. I will gladly discuss, in a charitable way, any detail on most areas of politics. I've watched fucking hundreds of hours of right wing commentators and podcasts, I've been around the block with their views many times. Some of them are reasonable, many of them are disingenuous. But seriously, I'm more than happy to be educated on an alternative viewpoint if it's more logical than my own. I'll even pivot to it if it makes sense. I mean ffs, I spent about two solid days arguing in defence of the Tories over a nursing policy a couple of years back, because I felt that everyone was misinterpreting what they had said. I remember it fondly tbh For my part, sorry if anything I've said has bothered you.

Himself

These days he and Moritz Volz would have a podcast.

Destroyed it yesterday?

You made that? That's actually really impressive. Puts Gemmill's crates to shame.

I was just showing off I have an accountant.

Lah-di-fucking-dah

TAKE THE HINT DAVE.

YOU HAVE NO JURISDICTION ANYMORE

Good post, I agree fully. The thing you missed out though was that Scotland and Northern Ireland, which are separate countries, voted against Brexit which has caused a constitutional crisis in both countries. And as we know NI is now an unsolvable problem because of the nature of the chosen Brexit. I will never get behind a Brexit that will ultimately split the UK. Give me my FoM back and get us in the SM and I am relatively happy, otherwise the government can get fucked.

But it has to be a French kiss for unity’s sake.

I mean if Brexit isn't something you're bothered about then I don't think you even need to do any questioning. The issue is settled, you can just forget about it. I can't because it still actively fucks up my life I would obviously question the extent to which they ever 'had us by the balls' though, since we had the best deal in Europe while we were in there, and we had a leadership role in the direction it was moving in - but it's just pointless to worry about it now. In terms of investment, the Tories are spending considerably at the moment as they've observed that this is something that they needed to do to outmanoeuvre Labour, but aren't you worried about where the money is coming from? The country is more in debt than it ever has been under a Labour government. I believe in spending both to stimulate the economy and to offset inequalities, but it has to be part of a carefully executed plan or it becomes disastrous. I don't trust them to handle careful execution, and I think future more sensible governments will subject us to austerity to pay for it. Quite possibly for the rest of our lives. Having said that, if your view is short termist then yeah, the Tories make sense based on your priorities. I can't chastise you for not voting Labour because I won't vote for them either.

I want to set out a bit of the 'how we got here' in terms of the disillusionment of Remainers - not with the intention necessarily of changing Quiff's view, but with the goal of demonstrating why I hold the view that I do. 1 - Farage and Johnson both claimed we would remain in the single market after Brexit. Johnson actually gave a speech the day after the vote claiming that nothing would change; he did this outside of his house as I recall, as the press swarmed him. He obviously had no idea what he was talking about (even at the time he looked shellshocked) but his vision of Brexit at that stage was within the SM. (Further point - 'hard left Corbyn' was actually the first person to call for us to leave after the vote, and wanted to leave immediately). Johnson continued to be telling his EU counterparts (while he was foreign secretary) that we would remain in the single market right up until the moment he left the post claiming that he couldn't support May's deal because it wasn't extreme enough. 2 - I recall making a post on here not complaining so much about leaving the EU, but about how pointless it was to leave the decision making setup and become a rule taker through a Norway style deal. I was frustrated with how ridiculous that was logically - but from what I remember, at that stage, no one was talking about ignoring the result. We were talking about what it would look like and how to find the least bad version of it. There was no serious expectation that we would be forced into a hard Brexit because it was even more ludicrous than a soft one, and because this was not a landslide referendum. It was a slight difference of a couple of percentage points. 3 - Theresa May had ample opportunity to reach cross party consensus on Brexit but refused to do so because she was more interested in avoiding schism within the Tory party than she was in the actual best interests of the country. Over the course of time, she was forced into a harder and harder Brexit because around 60-70 of her own MPs (enough to break her majority) on the hard right of the party, consistently voted down her deals. This was despite a sizeable contingent of the Remain wing voting with her, and the fact that Labour made clear they'd vote for her deal if she included protections for workers rights. These small compromises with Remain, had they been offered, would have seen her deal go through. I hated these compromises, but the fact remains that they were ignored by the only people who had the power to control what was happening. The Tories. We got the most right Brexit possible because of the Tories. No one else. 4 - Elections. The Brexit ultras went in hard on the idea that "80% of the country voted for a Brexit supporting party" in the 2017 elections and that this somehow proved that people wanted to get Brexit done. This was a fallacy because I knew many people who voted for Labour, none of whom wanted Brexit. However, it was very much believed that Labour's course on this could and would be changed because the membership was on the whole, opposed to the stance that Corbyn had at that point (i.e. that Brexit had to happen in whatever form as long as we could get protections for workers rights). This is of course what happened in the end, Labour was indeed compelled to take up a different position. Then we get to the 2019 election which you've indicated suggests that there was a landslide in favour of Johnson's Brexit deal. I mean yes, in terms of constituencies, there was. But in terms of actual voters, parties who were either offering a second referendum or a straight cancel of Brexit (i.e. Remain friendly parties) won an overall majority of voters. By 1.4m people (i.e. if you combined the votes between Greens, LD, SNP, SF and Labour it outdoes the total achieved by looking at the Tories, Brexit Party, DUP and UKIP). So we can see here that the MAJORITY of the electorate has been denied an outcome they voted for. Tl;Dr - Remainers have been cut out of this process in absolute terms since day one because they were not Tory voters. That's the long and short of it. And while there was plenty of initial room for bridge building, none of these options were taken by May or Johnson, who preferred instead to railroad us into something we fundamentally didn't want, in its most extreme form, to consolidate their own personal power. Why Quiff, seriously, should I ever, EVER get on board with that? It isn't leavers who have been hard done by in this, it's Remainers. It's them that need to 'win us over', not the other way around. I am so thoroughly disillusioned with this country and this system, that I don't have it in me to swallow all of the above and come out saying "ah well, let's try and find something to agree on for the good of the country". I just don't. I feel like all of us have been shafted by a bunch of rich, born to rule arseholes - and that some of us have our heads in the fucking sand about it. I'd happily unify around "Johnson should be tried for treason" if that's of any interest?

Another set of dictatorial cunts vanquished today. Erdogan will have been sputtering into his simit, the fashy shithead. Germany will likely do for Orban's blackshirts, so all we need now is for the Danes to come good against Putin's boys in Copenhagen.

Looks like we’ve found Gemmill’s condom thief.

Quiff’s ex has obviously sent him a video of her getting split in two by her ex-ex. That, or it’s rag-week.

What happened to unity?

Like putting a splint on cooked spaghetti.

Aye looking for three worse teams every year is how fans dream of their season starting

Sir Alex had a huge cock himself too. It was called Steve Bruce.

Getzen sie tae Fuchs

Squeaky bum time.

I think Stevie had a database somewhere of everyone’s known penis size

FYP

Good on Scotland btw. Set up and stayed rigid. I just don’t understand what goes through Southgates head, how the fuck do you watch for 40 minutes where the two England CBs are camped out on the half way line and he thinks we still need two defensive midfielders.

Lee Hurst is a right mong. Like a lot of things that were popular in the 90s, he hasn’t aged well

The only thing I can add is ‘get tae fucking fuck ye fish’

He killed Daniel Morgan imo.

Why are English teams often so hopeless in appointing managers? It surely has to be Brucey‘s job now.