BalarnyStone

Not really. You can't in all fairness class people doing a little part time/peice work, the sort of stuff where you earn under the limit, in the same bracket as full time workers.

Would have to have been lolerpool.

Defoe's dad just died. I think this squad is cursed. We could be coming home as P3 W0 D0 L3 F0 A5.

Your premise is wrong. We tax to fund the things we deem should be publicly funded, like schools, hospitals etc. Redistribution of wealth as an actual purpose of government is more Mugabe/Stalin's style. If you want to incentivise people to work, you'll do better by invoking the American model, rather than the Stalinist one. You don't eliminate poverty by screwing over the rich, all that produces is the redefiniton of poverty as is happening now - it used to be based on the ability to feed yourself, now it's based on whether you can afford a decent telly. Full employment is irrelevant, this unfair system is used even when employment is at record lows. I sign up to the idea of a tax allowance, so paper boy's are irrlevant, but other than that, I see no moral basis in the idea that just because you earn less, you should pay less in percentage terms. In my dictionary, equity is the "quality of being fair and impartial". Making communist like assumptions that the only reason someone earns a lot is because they inherited it or otherwise didn't really earn it in a way a 'normal' tax payer does, or that they somehow had different opportunities in life, is not being impartial.

See, that's another stick with which to beat the Republic nutters with. If as the claim, the BBC really were just the mouthpiece of the monarchy, would they have kept <s>me</s>him as the Royal Correspondant for so long? They're clearly keeping <s>me</s>him in the post for as long as possible, just to make the point that they are 'impartial'.

See. Now that's funny. Gemmil et al, take note.

Precisely what Kermode said about it, contrasting it with how whenever something happened to someone in Alien, you knew who it was

I only know of MF by what he posts on here.....

If Meenzer says he wants you to be his daddy, I think it means something else apparently....

The flame is actually embarassed at how un-flame like it is compare to their hair.

Cabaye on the first England game When we beat England at Wembley we were missing some players. But we won so we have a small psychological advantage. However, it was only a friendly. This is going to be a competitive game, so it is different. It is the first match and it is going to be very important. I hope we are going to play well and beat them, but I don't know if we are better than them." http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18294554

Jedward carrying it through the streets of Dublin. Wierd.

Yeah sure. I'm guessing the fact she couldn't marry the person she loved and her position as the Queen's younger sister had nothing to do with her troubled life. Yeah, she had all the opportuniy in the world to do whatever she liked eh, no obligations at all. Nobody would have batted an eyelid had she just fucked off and become a waitress. You fucking mug. I seriously really wonder if there's any cunt on this board that knows a fucking thing about the Royal Family.

These are transient effects. It's not relevant where the proposed model is permanent - whether you earn £15k or £500k, you're 'fair share' is X%. For every lazy asshole that doesn't want to work unless he gets XYZ take home, there's an eager French worker out there happy to get a job in this country and buy our goods and pay for our services, because in their socialist paradise their businesses are totally fucked by heavy taxes and over-regulation, meaning they are very reluctant to hire or expand/change unless the economic outlook is completely rosy. And that economic reality is only going to get worse if they start taxing the rich at 80%. France is so fucked that London is now France's 6th biggest city, and rather than fix the domestic causes of that exodus of talent, they're only idea is to give them representation in their parliament!

Even though the wink is there, this was still in pretty poor taste. Not only did she serve in the ATS, she's one of the very few people in the country who have had serving members in every recent generation of her family. If you really want to know what Normandy veterans think of the Queen, you only need to listen to them - such as the one bloke who stood on the freezing deck of HMS Belfast during the thames pageant, just to give her a salute (and not the sort of salute Lucky Luke probably gives). Anyone who tries to play off the military against the monarchy, even in jest, really knows nothing about either subject - the military more than anyone has been at the heart of the jubilee celebrations, and not just as part of the large scale events; the Windsor muster & yesterday's salute are both very personal tributes from the military to their commander in chief. Mark the anniversary by all means, but don't use it to take the piss.

So, Cardiff City FC have changed their kit colour and badge, in exchange for some investment. Although rather bizarrely, the chief exec didn't think it was ridiculous at all that they would still be known as the 'bluebirds'. So, did anyone ponder on hearing this news, whether Mike would rather like a kit of red white & blue stripes? And while the ordinary reaction would be, he wouldn't dare, how many said that about the stadium name?

You're wrongly assuming that I wouldn't adjust the level of benefits to ensure that it always pays to work, which is just good sense, as well as funnily enough also the current government's policy. The people who want to work will work. I would consider anyone who only starts work if they are taxed less than someone whose worked their way up a company, as contemptible.

You'd probably also reflect on how lucky you were that you got to choose what you do for a living, while the Queen is probably the only person in the country who never got that choice. Still, she got all the jewels and shit, so I guess that's grand eh? Or are you the sort of cunt who would try and claim that the Queen would never have wanted to be something like a nurse or whatever (and before you actually answer that, I suggest you do some actual fucking research on the woman before spouting any more of your uninformed shite).

What you probably meant to say was, you'll remember not to snap the neck of the cunt who said you were only doing you're job, should a passerby give you any sort of praise.

For the sake of repetition, I do grasp it, I just disagree with it. The only value judgements that justify the Aristotle model are those of greed and envy. If that sense of fairness were applied to basic pricing of goods and services, there would be riots.

You're way off base. The average doctor, surveyor or accountant is without doubt earning enough to be paying 40% tax, and no doubt has a home worth more than £1m. certainly if they live in London. I wouldn't class them as the real rich. They're well off, but compared to the likes of Abramovich or even the average company director, they're the peasants.

They are indeed cartoon examples. It's nothing but empty rhetoric frankly. If you want a real lesson in wealth earned off the back of the masses, you'd do better to look at the examples where people really don't have a free choice in where they live, work, or shop. You'd raise far more by adding just a small amount on the basic rate, than using the politics of envy to justify taking a bigger share from those who have more than you. That really is just basic maths. Your maths is the kind where somehow people think you can fund the annual welfare budget which stands in the billions, from taxing bonuses and salaries that in only the rare cases, reach the million pound mark. Evne if that tax level was 99%, it's clearly bollocks economics.

LOL. Everyone paying the same share isn't a coherent theory of equality? What bollocks. It's a theory you clearly disagree with, but that doesn't make it incoherent. And if we don't follow the Ancient Greek model of democracy, then why should we follow their model of income tax?

The whole point of the forum is so that members can have discussions about Saddam's reign.

Hmmm. Selective quoting is a dying art, no?