SteveAustin

Getting this bloke in like this seems like the board might have a plan...............

^^^^ Is yours the size of a Monkeys Fist? If so what size monkey?

So you are saying there has been no conflict between Jews and Arabs in the area of Israel/Palestine before the turn of the 18/19th century?

Alex, What side of the fence are you sitting here, I'm not sure. All I'm saying is the situation goes back further than the last 70 years, you seem unwilling to accept that, its a point of view I hold. Do you agree or disagree?

I'm saying it didn't happen like that. I don't understand that its not understood that this is a 2000 year old conflict, both sides have dug in against each other and both appear to want the other side wiped out. Its not just since the formation of Israel, perhaps I'm trying to highlight it in the wrong way, but the point still stands. I follow no religion. All historical data can be twisted to a point of view, but not of that is being discussed, just one statement from a few that have been made.

I am trying to post a couple of links, but this site wont let me, not sure why. You can doubt what I say and would likely say the sites I'm trying to link to are also biased. As is every news site, biased to the agenda they are trying to put forward. Maybe you doubt that there have been forced conversions, mass expulsions, synagogue burnings and mass executions in Persia, Byzantium etc, look it up. Judea was the Jewish homeland and hasn't existed for many centuries. If you choose to believe that this is a problem that has existed since the formation of the new Israeli nation, crack on. Yes, the Exodus as told in the bible didn't happen exactly like that, but similar events did and could be considered on a par with what is happening in Syria now, surely you can see the similarity.? No?

Do you have a point to make or are you just picking one thing out to have a row about ? Yes Exodus was a story, I've said that, what I'm saying is similar incidents happened. Do you really need me to quote examples? I can If you want but its a lot of typing. No evasion involved, look it up and educate yourself, look at Jewishvoice.org

Alex, google history of jewish persecution and have a little read, you'll get the jist of what I'm saying.

I think you're trying to take that out of context, as I said, missing the point.

I think you're missing my point. Its about the timescale and forgetting history. People are talking about the time since Israel was formed as the basis for the present conflict, just trying to highlight its been going on for a lot longer than that, these territories have been disputed for a lot longer than that, Jews and Arabs have been killing each other for a lot longer than 70 years. Maybe the Holocaust bit muddies it a bit, but that's why the state was formed, to give the Jews a homeland, because the arabs states wont let them live in peace and following the Holocaust the powers at the time felt some reparation was required. If you need to ask about Jews being persecuted in the middle east and dispute its a fact, then do some research.

Just viewed that link, WTF. People never cease to amaze me. I would like see that slimbull character stood in the Newcastle Arms and explain his theory.

People are talking about History not being forgotten or being forgotten, as it suits. I know the Exodus story is just a fable from the bible, which is a story book itself, but this is story has some basis in historical happenings. The convenient thing to forget is that the Arab nations and that includes Palestine as was have been trying to remove the Jews from wherever they have settled. The time since the Holocaust is a cough in this story. You don't believe in Allah, you must die Infidel, is a recurrent thread for the last couple of thousand years.

I don't think Hamas is short of recruits, the logisitics to get those tunnels built is huge, they are a proper professional job. I think they might be trying to wipe out any future recruits before they become that.

So what we are saying is that because alan pardew doesn't know what he's doing, he's a massive cock?

aimaad, the problem is, if the boot was on the other foot, Hamas would be doing the same, this has been the way for thousands of years. Gods don't kill people, people with gods kill people. Fuck me the whole thing is about your chosen way to worship a deity which may or may not exist. Allah or Jehova, explain the difference? Judean Peoples Front or The Peoples Front of Judea. Sit down have a cup of tea and a hookah pipe and celebrate your differences.

Jeremy Beadle had a massive cock, but on the other hand....................................

They did work, they used them to get under the fences and into Israeli territory and kill people.

And a far superior regional accent.

He's gone where he wants to go and where he feels valued, why would he come to us?

Fuck it I wanted in on that committee, was looking forward to the jolly in Puerto Banus!

Logical? Antagonising your next door neighbour into bombing the fuck out of your family and friends, not sure logic comes into it. The fact that Israel have spent money on Drones to do this proves that the threat is there in the first place.

If Southampton do get him, he might be what keeps them up.

Lukaku to Everton is a brilliant piece of business for them, If we don't get a decent striker in, that will mean they finish above us.

And no-one in the FA has shares in the company that make it.

Watching the news last night, these tunnels Hamas have made, a feat of civil engineering, these boys are not fucking around in their ambition to bring Israel down. This has taken considerable time and effort and is well planned and executed.