ChocChip
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When Silvestre and Brown were playing at centre half the media were absolutely slaughtering them as thats when Manyoo were conceding alot of goals. If my memory serves me correct alot of the goals came from corners and crosses with both Silvestres and Browns ability on the air being questioned..
Apologies then, i've got that completely wrong, i thougth i remembered them doing ok.
I still think he's less shite at CB though
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Didn't Sebastian Deisler have depression? I thought he gave up playing because of it........suppose i should look on the internet....
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this is what is important, getting the right man, if you do that there is no such thing as bad timing
Totally agree with that myself.
You're ignoring the business side of the football business there, the industry itself isn't really about football, he's a good business man, and that should not be underestimated. Really the only thing a chairman needs to know about football is which manager to hire and when to fire. I think if he had a football savvy chief executive they could be the best pair in the premiership.
Your right, i was, and i agree with rest 'an all.
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As long as no one wants to see a team of decadent choirboys
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LM - you truly make some sweeping statements.
Where have i said i was happy with the signing of Luque? i know f**k all about him. Unlike you, who appears to be an expert on his career from school boy to present.
Can't quite get my head around the reason for this attack, but I'm only saying I don't think he will be good enough, and no I don't think there is anything wrong at all with making a quick decision about a footballer.
Owen? I can only remember being worried when we signed him, worried that we couldn't afford it.Me, happy with the appointment of Dalgleish and Gullit? Well, you didn't ask me at the time so i don't know how you know how i felt about it, and i've answered it already.
See above. My opinion is it is very easy to call the shots with hindsight, and those who knock Shepherd are doing just that, using hindsight. The VAST MAJORITY of Newcastle supporters backed these appointments, if however you didn't, well done for commendable vision.
I'm gonna make a few things REALLY clear for you now:1) I was happy when SBR took over.
2) I was desperatly unhappy when Souness took over
3) I was happy when Robert left
4) I was unhappy about Bellamy leaving and what appeared to me to be lies told by Souness over the chronology of the incidents that led upto the Arsenal game
5) I wish FS had never hired Souness
6) As Souness is clearly an awful manager, i shocked we signed him and shocked we've allowed him to spend so much money when he's clearly so bad, he can't last in the job
7) IMO you think FS is GREAT and therefore back all his decisions
Now, THAT is a sweeping statement if ever I saw one.
I notice not one person, has taken up my suggestion of listing the premiership chairman who look after their clubs and back their managers better than Shepherd. Not one, including you.
If you are going to say he is so crap, that should be a fairly easy task. The fact that you can't, puts him among the better ones, despite his faults. Now THAT is all I have ever stated, nothing more nothing less.
Is that CLEAR ?
I'm not taking credit for not being happy about the appointments of Dalgleish & Gullit because i'm not due any, i wasn't old enough to know the 1st thing about them.
I don't know much about other Chairman and even then a comparison is irrelevant to me, but to try and help the debate:
Abromavich
Kenyon (I think he was Manure's chairman)
Gibson
The Wigan fella
Rick Parry
Dein (Arsenal?)
Walker (When alive)
Take out Walker [because he's gone], and Kenyon [as he's at Chelsea now with Abramovic and was manu's chief executive [which we dont' have, and would benefit from having] and I'd pretty much go along with that.
So if you look at it, it puts Shepherd in the top 3rd, with many others worse. Not so bad, is it.
I know he has faults, he opens his fat gob, and says stupid things, overall though if the team was winning not a single one of us would give a toss about any of this.
His football knowledge isn't as good as some of us on here, but he's still backed his managers massively, I just want him to get lucky and choose the right manager next time, because he'll be given the same support as the others. Thats all I've ever said. Along with the fact that we could do a lot, lot worse, which we could, take a look at other clubs ie Everton, Leeds who campaigned for a new chairman and they are no better off at all in fact worse. Throw in the likes of Villa, Mackems, West Ham, Portsmouth - those clubs would kill to have a chairman like Shepherd. Even Birmingham and Fulham have chairmen far richer than Shepherd but they don;t back their manager in the same way.
But surely a chairman can only give to the manager whatever disposable income the club makes?
NUFC is fairly wealthy club and so has a decent transfer budget. If Doug Ellis had our resources wouldn't he make the same amount of money available?
If FS is directly responsible for us being wealthy then i commend him, but to allow Dalgleish to spend through the summer and then sack him? Same as Gullit, same as SBR. Surely for him then to allow Souness to spend as much as he has is a little frightening. I can't see Souness lasting beyond the summer, if we get someone other than Shearer, won't they want their 'own team'? How bad are our accounts gonna be with this outlay and NO chance of a top 4 finish with this monkey in charge?
I WANT Souness to be very successful here, i WANT FS to retire a very happy man with NUFC winning trophies under his leadership. The fact people say FS has no football knowledge is damning, how can you run a business when you don't know the industry? When you can't make good judgements over critical appointments?
I'm pessimistic but i hope to be proved very, very wrong so we can all come on here and try and out do each other for superlatives that describe our play rather than argue with each other 'cause we're shite and we know we are.
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LM - you truly make some sweeping statements.
Where have i said i was happy with the signing of Luque? i know f**k all about him. Unlike you, who appears to be an expert on his career from school boy to present.
Can't quite get my head around the reason for this attack, but I'm only saying I don't think he will be good enough, and no I don't think there is anything wrong at all with making a quick decision about a footballer.
Owen? I can only remember being worried when we signed him, worried that we couldn't afford it.Me, happy with the appointment of Dalgleish and Gullit? Well, you didn't ask me at the time so i don't know how you know how i felt about it, and i've answered it already.
See above. My opinion is it is very easy to call the shots with hindsight, and those who knock Shepherd are doing just that, using hindsight. The VAST MAJORITY of Newcastle supporters backed these appointments, if however you didn't, well done for commendable vision.
I'm gonna make a few things REALLY clear for you now:1) I was happy when SBR took over.
2) I was desperatly unhappy when Souness took over
3) I was happy when Robert left
4) I was unhappy about Bellamy leaving and what appeared to me to be lies told by Souness over the chronology of the incidents that led upto the Arsenal game
5) I wish FS had never hired Souness
6) As Souness is clearly an awful manager, i shocked we signed him and shocked we've allowed him to spend so much money when he's clearly so bad, he can't last in the job
7) IMO you think FS is GREAT and therefore back all his decisions
Now, THAT is a sweeping statement if ever I saw one.
I notice not one person, has taken up my suggestion of listing the premiership chairman who look after their clubs and back their managers better than Shepherd. Not one, including you.
If you are going to say he is so crap, that should be a fairly easy task. The fact that you can't, puts him among the better ones, despite his faults. Now THAT is all I have ever stated, nothing more nothing less.
Is that CLEAR ?
I'm not taking credit for not being happy about the appointments of Dalgleish & Gullit because i'm not due any, i wasn't old enough to know the 1st thing about them.
I don't know much about other Chairman and even then a comparison is irrelevant to me, but to try and help the debate:
Abromavich
Kenyon (I think he was Manure's chairman)
Gibson
The Wigan fella
Rick Parry
Dein (Arsenal?)
Walker (When alive)
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TBH, i only see him now & again on MOTD, you may have a much more informed view. Maybe i only saw him in a brief good spell, in which case your opinion is probably correct.
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He's shite at centre back.
He formed a good partnership with Wes Brown a while back, might have been when Rio was suspended. Otherwise i think he's error prone at LB but just a little better at CB, which is odd.
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I think Silvestre is a LB by trade but can be a bit of a clown there, Heinze is much better. However Silvestre is alright at CB for some reason (not normally a good position for someone who doesn't concentate), he did very well paired up with Wes Brown a while back.
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Still, I wouldn't mind winning games on a more regularly...
I'm happy about the win today (that I predicted) and I'm also sort of happy about the performance today, at least the team showed some determination.
Though, I'd like to watch a Newcastle game again were I really can enjoy the football played by the men in black and white. As nice as the win is, but it came from the only shot on target in the whole 95 mins. I want to see Newcastle dominating other teams more often and not just relying on single goals.
I miss that too
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Parker (just)
Faye
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LM - you truly make some sweeping statements.
Where have i said i was happy with the signing of Luque? i know f**k all about him. Unlike you, who appears to be an expert on his career from school boy to present.
Owen? I can only remember being worried when we signed him, worried that we couldn't afford it.
Me, happy with the appointment of Dalgleish and Gullit? Well, you didn't ask me at the time so i don't know how you know how i felt about it, and i've answered it already.
I'm gonna make a few things REALLY clear for you now:
1) I was happy when SBR took over.
2) I was desperatly unhappy when Souness took over
3) I was happy when Robert left
4) I was unhappy about Bellamy leaving and what appeared to me to be lies told by Souness over the chronology of the incidents that led upto the Arsenal game
5) I wish FS had never hired Souness
6) As Souness is clearly an awful manager, i shocked we signed him and shocked we've allowed him to spend so much money when he's clearly so bad, he can't last in the job
7) IMO you think FS is GREAT and therefore back all his decisions
8) I don't
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There's not many teams can play Arsenal at their own game and beat them, to be fair, even if we did have the players. And nothing about Saturday saddened me.
It made me think of the flair players we had in the past and i do NOT mean Bellamy & Robert, however, with the current crop that was the only way we were gonna get anything out of it. I'm happy to see the team can battle it out like that, i didn't think they had it in them tbh. Parker & Faye were outstanding, Arsenal could have done with either of them on their team on Saturday, not often you can say that
I thought Boumsong was good too, Owen didn't look interested imo (is he injured?) and Nobby didn't do much other than score, still that was more than Henry, Ljungberg and Van Persie could do! -
At the risk of being unpopular, if we're going to play like that and crowd are going to enjoy it, let's do it properly and get Sam Allardyce.
It saddened me a little because Arsenal were trying to play football, we haven't got the players to do that anymore.
Still, we won
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Arsenal to win by exposing our weak fullback situation, Boum and Bramble inexplicably having good games.
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I wonder if Souness and Shearer will start to isolate him for this outburst
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That's odd, i always thought that Shepherd authorised the spending of the available income that the club had itself generated, i wasn't in the least bit aware he was spending his own money all this time. Surely if the club has created enough income for transfers any reasonable chairman would allow it to be spent so rather than stealing it for their own gain, doesn't seem like an act of altruism to me.
who says it's his own money ?
See the point about other clubs being run nowhere near as well as ours, transfer wise.
So, imo, Shepherd's most important role is in the recruiting of a managerial and coaching continuance that would push this club towards footballing excellence. In this regard he has proved himself a total c**t and all those who are blind to this fact have been taken in by the most basic of propaganda. Sheep!yes and no. It is his job, it's also his job to look after the finance of the club.
The only manager he has appointed who the masses were against, at the time, is Souness. The vast majority were happy with Dalglish and Gullit. The only propaganda being peddled so far as I can see is by those who simply change their mind rather than admit they got it just as wrong as Shepherd.
You can't say he is a c**t for appointing a manager that you were happy with him for appointing.
And - he ISN'T the one who makes these final decisions anyway, beccause he ISN'T the majority shareholder, the chairman of such a company only carries out the decision of the board as a whole.
Never wanted Souness, actually never met anyone who did, the only person i've ever even heard of who wanted Souness was Freddie Shepherd, the chairman you back and therefore, according to your own criteria, you back all his decisions, including the hiring and continuing employment of Souness.
As an after thought, can you actually find any quotes from anyone poster on here who wanted Souness as manager?
Forgive me for daring to reply to a post that wasn't made to me.
Why are you suggesting that backing FS means a person is automatically backing Souness? What is the difference between this and the likes of Craig, who mentions daily that someone can support the decision to get rid of Bellamy, yet still not rate Souness and want him out too?
Moving on with this line of double standards, assuming you rate hightly the likes of Owen, Luque, Parker and Emre, you must agree with those signings, sanctioned by FS, in which case you must support FS also. Or will you at this point conveniently agree that FS doesn't actually sanction anything, it's done by the entire board?
Whassup? I'm happy to debate with anyone.
Leazes' is banging on that if we support some of Souness' decisions then you have to back all of them, so i'm drawing a parallel with regards to Shepherd, whom he loves
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That's odd, i always thought that Shepherd authorised the spending of the available income that the club had itself generated, i wasn't in the least bit aware he was spending his own money all this time. Surely if the club has created enough income for transfers any reasonable chairman would allow it to be spent so rather than stealing it for their own gain, doesn't seem like an act of altruism to me.
So, imo, Shepherd's most important role is in the recruiting of a managerial and coaching continuance that would push this club towards footballing excellence. In this regard he has proved himself a total c**t and all those who are blind to this fact have been taken in by the most basic of propaganda. Sheep!
Please point me toward any post from anybody anywhere at anytime who reckons that FS has good football knowledge. We all know he's made mistakes appointing managers, so you won't find any, of course. This means that these sheep you mention are a figment of your imagination. Either that or you're just an outright liar trying to stir shit, like.
How is FS a c**t for appointing managers who, in hindsight, proved to be the wrong choices? I'm not the only one asking this and it's a sensible question that appears to have many of you stumped.
If you were around when KK left, did you or did you not believe Dalglish was a good choice by FS?
That simple question goes to...
Craig
Renton
Choco
Gemmill
LP
SLP
I have to confess to being a little young at the time of Gullit and Dalgleish's appointment, i was in long trousers by the time Robson got the post but didn't have much idea of his pedigree except what family told me. All knowledge i've garnered has always been with the benefit of hindsight so it's easy to reach the obvious conclusion that the KK affair was handled badly (FS doesn't appear to be implicated) but that the appointment of Dalgleish wasn't a good one, in fact it's probably not the hiring of him that's criticised but the timing of his sacking, same to be said for SBR (good appointment though), and then the ridiculous situation of having NO ONE of any calibre to replace him and ending up with this idiot, and then allowing him to spend £50m.
How is this a record of a good board?
I fail to see it.
All that £££ spent has = how many trophies?
To listen to people slag Souness but praise Shepherd is a bit rich. It's obvious what Souness is, he was never gonna change his spots, i don't think the current situation is to be blamed on him because he's only doing what he always does, it's the muppet who thought employed him that i'm angry at.
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That's odd, i always thought that Shepherd authorised the spending of the available income that the club had itself generated, i wasn't in the least bit aware he was spending his own money all this time. Surely if the club has created enough income for transfers any reasonable chairman would allow it to be spent so rather than stealing it for their own gain, doesn't seem like an act of altruism to me.
who says it's his own money ?
See the point about other clubs being run nowhere near as well as ours, transfer wise.
So, imo, Shepherd's most important role is in the recruiting of a managerial and coaching continuance that would push this club towards footballing excellence. In this regard he has proved himself a total c**t and all those who are blind to this fact have been taken in by the most basic of propaganda. Sheep!yes and no. It is his job, it's also his job to look after the finance of the club.
The only manager he has appointed who the masses were against, at the time, is Souness. The vast majority were happy with Dalglish and Gullit. The only propaganda being peddled so far as I can see is by those who simply change their mind rather than admit they got it just as wrong as Shepherd.
You can't say he is a c**t for appointing a manager that you were happy with him for appointing.
And - he ISN'T the one who makes these final decisions anyway, beccause he ISN'T the majority shareholder, the chairman of such a company only carries out the decision of the board as a whole.
Never wanted Souness, actually never met anyone who did, the only person i've ever even heard of who wanted Souness was Freddie Shepherd, the chairman you back and therefore, according to your own criteria, you back all his decisions, including the hiring and continuing employment of Souness.
As an after thought, can you actually find any quotes from anyone poster on here who wanted Souness as manager?
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That's odd, i always thought that Shepherd authorised the spending of the available income that the club had itself generated, i wasn't in the least bit aware he was spending his own money all this time. Surely if the club has created enough income for transfers any reasonable chairman would allow it to be spent so rather than stealing it for their own gain, doesn't seem like an act of altruism to me.
So, imo, Shepherd's most important role is in the recruiting of a managerial and coaching continuance that would push this club towards footballing excellence. In this regard he has proved himself a total c**t and all those who are blind to this fact have been taken in by the most basic of propaganda. Sheep!
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Deep vein thrombosis i reckon
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Hep c ?
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Of course. He has fully supported all his managers with total financial backing.
Why, don't you ?
Before you and anyone else rattles off the names of Gullit and Dalglish, don't bother unless you said at the time they would be crap ....... because if you do think he was stupid for appointing them, then you must be as stupid as you think he is .....
And name me as many chairman as you can who have backed their managers as much as Shepherd has ?
As I've said, if you back the chairman then you must by defnition believe he will be successful and so back his actions......which include appointing Souness, not sacking Souness, still not sacking Souness, not even sacking Souness when it's clear he won't be successful, authorising the sale of valuable club players who could make a difference on the pitch.
Don't tell me he can't overule the manager, didn't SBR try to offload Shearer to Liverpool? Who's still here though?
Not according to Robson in his autobiography.
Oh, well don't just stand there! Find something else to support my arguement
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There's a surprise, now wait until tomorrow for Souness to say that Owen won't make the game either (but that he will be back for the next one, whenever that is).
Souness looking for new "door openers with pace" soon, unless he gets Santas sack
Fucking clown of the first degree
I don't know how you can justify having such a poor opinion of Santa. He's a 'proper' Father Christmas i reckon.
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I think we're very weak at RB and wouldn't sell Carr unless we had a decent replacement.
The ball does not love Peter Ramage