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ChezGiven

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  1. Seems clear to me, as much as the bloke comes across as a tit and has played with fire in the US election, doesnt look like he would be convicted in a fair trial. 

     

    He does seem very desperate though, so as much as the idea that he was being framed makes sense, so does  the idea that he was using Wikileaks to get Trump into power as a tactic for himself rather than the world. Which makes him a hypocrite. From his perspective, its obvious to attack Clinton as a calculation that if she loses, her opponent will recognise the role and the threat of living the rest of his life in a US prison diminishes. 

  2. It got an interesting review in the Guardian today saying its the defining TV show of the year.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/dec/07/why-westworld-is-the-defining-show-of-2016

     

    It quotes Nolan as saying there was loads of intentional ambiguity to generate fan discussion on forums and compares the dialogue to a Boris Johnson speech (which seems a bit harsh). It also highlights the criticism that the characters are unrelateable which i reckon is why i struggled on the first couple of episodes. Not that any of that puts me off, ill definitely have to give it another go. 

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/dec/07/why-westworld-is-the-defining-show-of-2016

  3. on the subject, i posted this big read from the gruaniad in the politics thread. well worth a read if you've got a spare 10 mins

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/04/google-democracy-truth-internet-search-facebook

     

    Read it when you linked it. Utterly chilling and i thought it changes the way we should see Brexit and rise of populism. I was thinking of the article when i saw the meme on FB about global warming.  

     

    Maybe the conspiracy theorists are still right about the global order. I said to Parky that Trump proves that the global order isnt in control. Saw toonotl say a similar thing the other day. 

     

    Now am not so sure. 

  4. That was shared on my feed by loads of people who i know who immediately started discussing the cover ups about Fukushima and nuclear explosions.

     

    The subtle message about climate change being made up must have gone in but no one mentions it. So i find out who Dixon Diaz is and see he has links to Breitbart and then i remember that Breitbart are linked to Cambridge Analytica and that according to the Guardian on Sunday they have been conducting OCEAN tests on everyone and targeting political messages to them. The key funders described by the Guardian were Hedge Fund managers who are mainly supporting and funding think tanks designed to combat the climate change agenda. 

     

    Tenuous enough link for me to be described as hypocritical but i think the insidious power of the internet is just beginning to be properly understood. 

  5. Do you mean that we can't establish them as a separate category from non-fake news because there is so much misinformation in the news generally or because there are elements of truth within even the fake news stories?

     

    If it's not either of those then I must just be slow on the uptake today. I think my question is, why can't we just call them fake news stories? What is incomplete about that label? Unless you mean consideration about how we label and perceive not just the story itself, but also the ensuing hysteria and the narratives and actions that these develop into...?

    It's gone beyond just fake, this isn't just made up stuff that gets shared, it's political and controlling. The narrative was used in this case to further a political outcome. We can't say if it had an influence but the assumption was that it did. Also in this case it's widely held that 4Chan started the story so how come no one thought it was a laugh? Loads of other fake stories are being pushed from alternative news sites and the provenance is now known to be political and controlled by organizations linked to Cambridge Analytica and Republican hedge fund managers. That's my point, it's not just fake news it's a network of dark influence with known and unknown provenance.

     

    Unless of course you think Clinton is a satanic paedophile, in which case it's just news.

  6. :lol: Reading it back not sure what i mean. What is pizzagate basically? And all the thousands of other stories like it, it's hard to frame them and say what they are with any meaning which allows us to understand them. I think this is the defining feature of 2016 for me, not the deaths and he destruction, humans have been doing that for millennia.
  7. I dont think we've got the language to discuss this. Like its hard for journalists to articulate the hypocrisy of the press attacking judges in the Supreme court, so much of today's world is not yet framed for us to understand it. We ignore it until it is framed then immediately all assign ourselves expert status once it is. 

  8. They're not because its fake news. Nearly every single image with a statement on nowadays is full of shit. 

     

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/2260104/as-chancellor-ploughs-7million-into-wentworth-woodhouse-we-reveal-the-saucy-sex-secrets-of-aristrocrat-with-ancestry-linked-to-colin-firths-mr-darcy/

     

     


    A series of such tragedies and a lack of male heirs meant the Fitzwilliam bloodline died with the last Earl, known as Tom, in 1979.

     

    By then, Billy’s inheritance — which had been the second largest of the 20th century — was almost gone.

     

    The nationalisation of the coal mines in 1946 meant the family lost control of their lucrative income stream. Just £45million remained when Tom died and it passed back to Lady Juliet Tadgell, Peter’s only daughter, now 81. The first of her three marriages was to bankrupt jewel thief Victor Hervey, sixth Marquess of Bristol, known as the No1 Playboy of Mayfair.

     

    They had two children, Ann, who was stillborn, and Nicholas, who took his own life in 1998, aged 37.

     

    Her second marriage, to Somerset de Chair, produced one daughter, Helena, who married the Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg.

     

    While Juliet got the fortune, the house went to the family trust, which sold it in 1989 to businessman Wensley Haydon-Baillie. He faced debts of £13million and was forced to sell in 1999. The next buyer, Clifford Newbold, died in April 2015, aged 88.

     

    His plans to turn Wentworth into a hotel, wedding venue, function space, museum and family home had been thwarted by subsidence caused by years of coal mining. The Newbolds allowed the grand rooms to be used to film the 2014 Timothy Spall movie Mr Turner and the TV series Wives and Daughters and Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell.

     

    Until four years ago the public were not admitted to Wentworth Woodhouse. Now it is open for pre-booked guided tours and more than 100,000 people have visited.

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