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How long was Fagan in charge after Paisley? Two seasons? All he won was the league and the European Cup iirc. :rolleyes: He was manager at Heysel too. Pretty much kept out the public eye though didn't he? Even as manager. Plus, he was ancient (or looked it anyway) when he got the job.

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Man U for me all day long.

 

I cannot stand Chelsea, they have had it all their own way for 2 years and soon as things go wrong Mourinho can't hack it. His arrogance is unbeleivable as well, along with Peter Kenyon.

They seem to believe they have a devine right to win everything

 

Even though I don't like Liverpool I would love if they beat Chelsea to second place

 

 

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Arsenal or ManUre.

 

Just not Chelsea or Liverpool. I hate them both.

In order of who'd I want of those to win the league, I'd have to say Manchester United first, great club regardless what you think of their glory hunters, great manager, great continuity with the players like Scholes and Giggs, they have great local supporters, nothing but respect for them.

 

Arsenal next, their supporters are boring as fuck and middle class in the main, and Wenger does piss me off but I don't hate them and you have to respect what he's done...i.e titles with his transfer dealings being in the black over a 10 year period.

 

The rentboys next, small club before Matthew Harding gave them hope, even then they were getting shite gates in the 90's, but they've just taken the piss since RA came in.

 

By a mile the dippers are the club I'd least want to see win the league. Utter cuntish, arrogant, bastard fans who are without doubt the most fickle in football. They couldn't fill their little ground till they won the CL, 33,000 in the Premiership as recently as 2004 etc... Cuntish former players like Phil Thompson and Tommy Smith bleating on about how 2nd place in the Premiership isn't good enough for them, they'll never ever be as big as Man Utd deluded scouse bastards. Oh I forgot to mention they're also the luckiest football club in the world.

 

 

 

 

Spot the grey seat, haha what a joker, lucky, erm like your unlucky. sort yerself out lad.

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If Man Ure didnt have Ronaldo firing in the goals they would be in trouble IMO. Rooney has been poor this season with regards to the goals status.

 

To the question, it would be nice if Arsenal won it but I dont think they can, I would therefore like Man Ure to win it. Around crimbo time I still thought that Chelsea would kick it up a gear and they would win but nee chance now.

 

I think Man U have been very lucky with injuries though and although i hate Chelsea,i hate Man U as much as anyone and hope they win fuck all.I know far too many gloating,patronising,glory hunting twatts and they will be unbearable if they win it.Its nice to see them with a sulk on.

 

Aye, I'll agree that for this reason, I'd take anyone over Man U to win it and always will. It's a truth that rings out louder than anything else for me and always has. I know it's a bit sad but Chelsea have won it for the last couple of years and it just means an easier life for me. Chelsea gloat, but I'm not affected by it as I dont meet any Chelsea fans unless I'm in London, which is fair enough of course. If it's Man U tho then quite simply you just get it wherever you go and both barrells off the media to boot.

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Arsenal are an awesome team and the management are great, its just Wenger that boils my piss with some of the things he says.

 

Couldn't agree more. Arsenal were a 'fashionable' club before Wenger but he's transformed them from a boring and ageing team into an exciting and largely young one on relatively limited resources.

 

I'm not sure Mourhino could have done that, Gemmill.

 

Well he won the Champions League with Porto, and the league both times he's entered it so far in the Premiership, so I reckon he's got something about him. But I'm not really sure what your point was - I wasn't comparing Mourinho to Wenger - I think Wenger is a great manager too, but that doesn't help Chelsea find a replacement for Mourinho, or Man United find a replacement for Ferguson, which was my point.

 

Agreed, I think his credentials stand up against anyones tbf and it's a bit daft to argue otherwise.

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Man U's money (historically) comes from a global market presence and awareness of them that comes as much from the publicity from the Munich air crash as much as anything.

 

What a load of shite. The Munich air crash happened in 1958. How long prior would you like to go? Let's take a decade before Munich say 1948. Manchester United average attendance in that season 54,890. Their 'global market presence' as you put it is largely down to being the dominant team in the 1990's when the TV export boom to Asia etc was at it's height. I wouldn't argue with you that they have been succesful in marketing their 'brand' (yuk) but that was 'earned' with back to back doubles and a treble when the export boom of football was at it's height.

 

 

Sorry but that's rubbish the Munich disaster had one "good" thing (nothing actually good of course, but purely in the context of publicity) which is it raised Man U's presence massively world wide, and they never really lost that.

 

 

Man U's popularity across the UK and the world when Liverpool were dominating Europe (in the true sense of the word, something which Man U have never achieved) is only explained by the Busby crash phenomenon to be fair. There isnt a counter argument to this. I can say this much with an un-biased heart as well cos as a Manc I can't stand Scousers.

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By the way, if I could pick anyone to win then obviously it would be the Toon, but of the deserving sides up there, I'd go for Arsenal without hesitation. The manager comes across as a complete twat but he has assembled the best footballing side on a relative pittance tbf and that distinguishes them from Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool over the past five years or so iywmho.

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Man U's popularity across the UK and the world when Liverpool were dominating Europe (in the true sense of the word, something which Man U have never achieved) is only explained by the Busby crash phenomenon to be fair. There isnt a counter argument to this.

 

PMSL <_<:razz:

 

As usual you haven't even given an argument for your statement :lol:

 

Let me refresh your memory, the discussion between FOP and I centred around if Man Utd's wealth was generated by Munich.

 

My counter argument is that in that era over 90% of a clubs revenue was generated through the turnstiles. In the 5 years after Munich Man Utd's total attendances were LESS than the 5 years that preceded it. On that basis I don't think Munich made a telling contribution to the wealth of the club.

 

Now enough of your usual bullshit & bluster. Let's hear your facts that prove otherwise. :razz:

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Man U's popularity across the UK and the world when Liverpool were dominating Europe (in the true sense of the word, something which Man U have never achieved) is only explained by the Busby crash phenomenon to be fair. There isnt a counter argument to this.

 

PMSL <_<:razz:

 

As usual you haven't even given an argument for your statement :lol:

 

Let me refresh your memory, the discussion between FOP and I centred around if Man Utd's wealth was generated by Munich.

 

My counter argument is that in that era over 90% of a clubs revenue was generated through the turnstiles. In the 5 years after Munich Man Utd's total attendances were LESS than the 5 years that preceded it. On that basis I don't think Munich made a telling contribution to the wealth of the club.

 

Now enough of your usual bullshit & bluster. Let's hear your facts that prove otherwise. :razz:

 

I'll not waste too much time on this one as I know you're an intelligent lad and I suspect you're just playing a bit dumb, but seriously do you have any idea how much the goodwill and publicity (to the point of pre-occupation) of the UK and international press and media is worth to your club? If you don't see yourself as a 'special case' in this regard then I don't see that the argument can proceed sensibly.

 

I love the way you think the 'wealth that was generated' by Munich can be measured by the relative turnstile statistics five years either side of the disaster.

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Whats a fluke, a team losing 3-1 at Anfield and come back and win 4-3 or a team getting beat 3-0 at HT then coming back to draw 3-3 its a game of football, so every result thats not supposed to happen is a fluke. Is a goalkeeper their to save a ball and stop it going into the net, so Dudek makes a point blank save so its a fluke, but if a player twats the ball 40yards and it flys in the corner, the goalie was unlucky.

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Whats a fluke, a team losing 3-1 at Anfield and come back and win 4-3 or a team getting beat 3-0 at HT then coming back to draw 3-3 its a game of football, so every result thats not supposed to happen is a fluke. Is a goalkeeper their to save a ball and stop it going into the net, so Dudek makes a point blank save so its a fluke, but if a player twats the ball 40yards and it flys in the corner, the goalie was unlucky.

Luckiest team in the history of world sport, as well as being the most despised people.

 

As for FCUM, before Munich there were bigger clubs than you as piece taken from another site proves

 

In response to the lies written about Newcastle pre-Munich that they weren’t the best supported club in England here is my response.

 

Pre-war we were the best supported club not only in England but the world, and the post war status quo continued till Munich, along with Arsenal.

 

1946/47

Newcastle 49,972

Liverpool 45,732

Chelsea 44,550

Man Utd 43,945

Arsenal 43,266

Everton 40,857

Sunderland 35,301

Tottenham 34,737

 

1947/48

Newcastle 56,283 (106255)

Man Utd 54,892 (98837)

Arsenal 54,890 (98156)

Chelsea 47,492 (91982)

Liverpool 44,299 (90021)

Everton 44,205 (85062)

Sunderland 42,888 (78189)

Tottenham 37,679 (72416)

 

1948/49

Newcastle 53,839 (160094)

Arsenal 51,478 (150315)

Man Utd 48,808 (147645)

Tottenham 48,258 (120674)

Chelsea 46,362 (138344)

Sunderland 45,220 (123403)

Everton 45,138 (130200)

Liverpool 44,031 (134052)

 

1949/50

Tottenham 54,111 (174785)

Arsenal 49,001 (199316)

Sunderland 47,785 (171188)

Newcastle 46,468 (206562)

Liverpool 45,783 (179835)

Everton 43,932 (174132)

Man Utd 43,282 (190927)

Chelsea 42,238 (180382)

 

1950/51

Tottenham 55,509 (230294)

Arsenal 50,474 ( 249790)

Newcastle 46,651 (253213)

Everton 42,924 (217056)

Sunderland 39,766 (210954)

Chelsea 39,667 (220049)

Man Utd 39,008 (229935)

Liverpool 38,294 (218129)

 

1951/52

Tottenham 51,134 (281428)

Arsenal 51,030 (300820)

Newcastle 50,046 (303259)

Man Utd 42,916 (272851)

Chelsea 39,932 (259079)

Sunderland 39,853 (250788)

Everton 37,391 (254447)

Liverpool 38,019 (256148)

 

1952/53

Arsenal 49,141 (349961)

Newcastle 44,521 (347780)

Tottenham 44,106 (325534)

Chelsea 43,937 (303016)

Liverpool 39,971 (296119)

Sunderland 39,767 (290555)

Man Utd 37,751 (305602)

Everton 32,629 (287076)

 

1953/54

Chelsea 46,944 (349960)

Arsenal 46,944 (396907)

Newcastle 45,392 (394072)

Everton 44,493 (331569)

Sunderland 42,505 (333060)

Tottenham 41,164 (366698)

Liverpool 40,488 (336607)

Man Utd 36,887 (342489)

 

 

1954/55

Chelsea 48,260 (398220)

Everton 46,394 (377963)

Arsenal 43,725 (440632)

Sunderland 43,043 (376103)

Newcastle 42,925 (436997)

Tottenham 37,248 (403846)

Man Utd 36,911 (379388)

Liverpool 36,215 (372704)

 

1955/56

Everton 42,768 (420731)

Arsenal 42,034 (482666)

Man Utd 39,254 (418536)

Tottenham 38,042 (441892)

Newcastle 37,666 (475663)

Liverpool 37,224 (399928)

Sunderland 35,888 (411991)

Chelsea 34,141 (432361)

 

 

So in the 10 seasons prior to Man Utd winning the League and Munich the year after my finding show not only is the dipper ugly he’s a prick as well.

 

It clearly shows a massive pattern of Newcastle United and Arsenal being by far and away the countries two best supported clubs over a sustained period of TEN YEARS, as was always the case prior to the war.

 

One murderer shutted up.

 

They’re known for lies thought aren’t they, blame Chelsea.

 

Talk about what you know, like slimfast plans, not they’re working for you at the moment.

 

10 year average (not just the odd season) 1946-1956

 

Arsenal 48,366

Newcastle 47,566

Tottenham 44,189

Chelsea 43,326

Everton 42,073

Man Utd 41,853

Sunderland 41,119

Liverpool 39,928

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I couldn't give two fucks how much you hate scousers, you still have not answered my question, were is the luck, lucky because you have had to watch year after fuckin year us winning something while you squirm in your little bedsit on Osborne Road. pathetic.

 

Anyone with a little bedsit on Osborne Road is quids in these days mate. :lol:

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I couldn't give two fucks how much you hate scousers, you still have not answered my question, were is the luck, lucky because you have had to watch year after fuckin year us winning something while you squirm in your little bedsit on Osborne Road. pathetic.

 

Lucky in the sense that Gerrard's goals against the Greeks could have hit row Z. Other than that, you deserved it.

 

Still tossers like.

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If only Newcastle were classed as tosser's and winning premiership and silverware year after 1 or 2 year :lol: i'd be a happy chappy to be slagged like chelsea are.

 

Completely agree with that.

 

It's like having Roy Keane or Robbie Savage in your team. Hate them for other teams, love them if they play for you.

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I couldn't give two fucks how much you hate scousers, you still have not answered my question, were is the luck, lucky because you have had to watch year after fuckin year us winning something while you squirm in your little bedsit on Osborne Road. pathetic.

:lol:

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I'll not waste too much time on this one as I know you're an intelligent lad and I suspect you're just playing a bit dumb, but seriously do you have any idea how much the goodwill and publicity (to the point of pre-occupation) of the UK and international press and media is worth to your club? If you don't see yourself as a 'special case' in this regard then I don't see that the argument can proceed sensibly.

 

I love the way you think the 'wealth that was generated' by Munich can be measured by the relative turnstile statistics five years either side of the disaster.

 

But you're still avoiding the question! Nobody is arguing that Munich didn't increase the popularity but the discussion is about wealth. To date, you've not produced a single argument as to how Munich significantly added to the clubs wealth. Did these sympathisers go to games, buy replica shirts, or what?

 

I've already said that I think Man United being the dominant club in the 90s when the export boom to Asia was at it's height and being the first English team to win European cup in 68 with Bestie et al were significant factors in adding to the wealth. I'd still like to hear your take as to how Munich contributed financially.

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