Guest Patrokles Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Daft. Did they really expect Derbyshire to knock it out when he was through on goal? The Serb went down, it wasn't the fault of any England player. The fact is, Derbyshire was through on goal. If he had knocked it out for the Serb player to get some treatment it would have been no quicker than him scoring. If he scores, then play stops and the player can be treated. What a bunch of petulent w@nkers. Well, to be fair, if it had happened to us, we'd be seething. It wasn't as though the Serb was down in the centre circle. He was playing Derbyshire onside, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4ever 0 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Derbyshire was level with the next defender anyway IIRC, so would have been onside regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Derbyshire was level with the next defender anyway IIRC, so would have been onside regardless. That doesn't really change the fact that, had he been up and about, that man would have stopped Derbyshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Derbyshire was level with the next defender anyway IIRC, so would have been onside regardless. That doesn't really change the fact that, had he been up and about, that man would have stopped Derbyshire. It's not up to the players to decide when play stops, that's the ref's job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4ever 0 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Derbyshire was level with the next defender anyway IIRC, so would have been onside regardless. That doesn't really change the fact that, had he been up and about, that man would have stopped Derbyshire. Different argument. I was only referring to your point about playing him onside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 A lot depends on what happened for the couple of minutes leading up to the goal. How long was the Sorb on the ground? Had Serbia been in possession and, therefore, been attacking Engerlund without putting the ball out whilst their man was 'down'? If Serbia had been in possession whilst their man was incapacitated, and not kicked the ball out, then they have no reason to complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4ever 0 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I think the ref can only stop it if the injury is obviously serious. This usually involves a head injury. As it was, the Serbian player was sat up, watching play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26284 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I think the ref can only stop it if the injury is obviously serious. This usually involves a head injury. As it was, the Serbian player was sat up, watching play. Last season the PL decided that the convention of knocking the ball out for an injured player was to stop and it was the referee's responsibility to decide whether play should be stopped. However this obviously doesn't apply to international football so it's difficult to say whether it had any influence on England's decision to play on. IMO the ball should only be put out of play if the opposing player is seriously injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Fuckin' GREAT finish btw. BOSH - take that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevieintoon Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Can anyone remember what happened with that Arsenal goal against t'Blades? Was that a throw in which Arsenal should've given back, if so there is a clear distinction between what happened there and what happened last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themags 0 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 did they replay the game? totally different situation to that mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 All I'm saying is that, if it happened to us, we'd be fucking livid, and if someone tried to justify it, we'd tell them where to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 All I'm saying is that, if it happened to us, we'd be fucking livid, and if someone tried to justify it, we'd tell them where to go. I'm half Serbian, and I think Derbyshire had every right to play on. But then again, not everyone is as objective and rational as me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8870 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 All I'm saying is that, if it happened to us, we'd be fucking livid, and if someone tried to justify it, we'd tell them where to go. Exactly. It's not so much the question of it being right or wrong, but rather the frustration about conceding the goal. So, if you have the chance to blame someone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34422 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Tbh if it had happened to us, I wouldn't give a shit. It's only the U21s ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Tbh if it had happened to us, I wouldn't give a shit. It's only the U21s ffs. That might also be a factor in my objectiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Patrokles Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I meant Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34422 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I meant Newcastle. I'd say we probably had it coming for entering a side into the European U21 Championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 1 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I meant Newcastle. I'd say we probably had it coming for entering a side into the European U21 Championships. Especially as Martins is actually 37. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellsy 0 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I wonder what FIFA or UEFA would do if that was the English players doing that? Derbyshire had every right to continue on, the rules have changed and i loved the fact he continued to celebrate after being pulled away from the Serbian players. Stevie Taylor will be a captain of this club in the not too distant future in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Can anyone remember what happened with that Arsenal goal against t'Blades? Was that a throw in which Arsenal should've given back, if so there is a clear distinction between what happened there and what happened last night. Sheffield had put it out of play for a player to get treatment, Kanu(iirc) threw the ball back to the Sheff Utd players, but Overmars nipped in went through on goal and scored. I think Steve Bruce had his players walk off the pitch. It was a cup game and there was murder over it. Overmars claimed he was new to the league and custom of returning the ball in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Hog 336 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Can anyone remember what happened with that Arsenal goal against t'Blades? Was that a throw in which Arsenal should've given back, if so there is a clear distinction between what happened there and what happened last night. Sheffield had put it out of play for a player to get treatment, Kanu(iirc) threw the ball back to the Sheff Utd players, but Overmars nipped in went through on goal and scored. I think Steve Bruce had his players walk off the pitch. It was a cup game and there was murder over it. Overmars claimed he was new to the league and custom of returning the ball in that situation. Other way round. Overmars took the throw and it was Kanu that scored. It was also Kanu that was new to the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Ta. Always thought that was a bit odd. Kanu came from Ajax didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Ta. Always thought that was a bit odd. Kanu came from Ajax didn't he? Inter. Played for Ajax prior to that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInspiration 1 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I love the Serbian reaction when Derbyshire scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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