Mido has a bomb, haha

[Asprilla 96]

Are you seriously having difficulty seeing the connection between abusing someone's race and someone's religion?

 

Nope, Im saying I have a difficulty in seeing the connection between saying someone has a bomb and them being Muslim? those who are making the connection are the very people who are shouting "racist". People have already pointed out that he bears a canny resemblance to a known terrorist, the fact that terrorist and himself are muslims is irrelevant. If we sang the same to an English player because he looked like Carlos the Jackal would that be racist?

 

And again, I ask you how you can assume I abuse black players with bananas?

I don't for a minute suppose you do.

 

I'm saying that insults of a religious/racial nature are equally abhorrent. If you are saying that the comments were solely because he vaguely resembles Richard Reid then I would concede that you are right. However, I don't believe for a second that was the case and the fact that so few players of Middle Eastern appearence play in the Premiership makes me suspect that it was not merely a case of looky-likey.

[ewerk 26285]

Just because a LOT of people believe something doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean it should be immune from criticism or even necessarily mockery.

 

There we have it, you believe it is ok to mock someone's beliefs. You sir are a fucking moron.

[peasepud 59]

Just because a LOT of people believe something doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean it should be immune from criticism or even necessarily mockery.

 

There we have it, you believe it is ok to mock someone's beliefs. You sir are a fucking moron.

 

So you are saying muslims believe in bombing? because the chants were not mocking the muslim faith they were mocking bombers. Those that make the link in the way you have are in the wrong tbh.

[Fop 1]

Just because a LOT of people believe something doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean it should be immune from criticism or even necessarily mockery.

 

There we have it, you believe it is ok to mock someone's beliefs.

 

It depends upon the exact belief.

 

A belief I blow myself up killing the "kafir" and I will go to heaven and have 40(?) virgins cater to my every whim?

Fucking right it's should be mocked, at the very, very least.

 

But there's still a world of difference between can and should.

 

 

 

But NO belief should ever be immune to question and indeed to criticism, NONE.

 

 

 

 

You sir are a fucking moron.

 

And you are clearly one of those judgmental self centered ignorant bastards kept in control by fear not decency and reason, then (if I'm "allowed" to be insulting and judgmental too).

[ewerk 26285]

Just because a LOT of people believe something doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean it should be immune from criticism or even necessarily mockery.

 

There we have it, you believe it is ok to mock someone's beliefs. You sir are a fucking moron.

 

So you are saying muslims believe in bombing? because the chants were not mocking the muslim faith they were mocking bombers. Those that make the link in the way you have are in the wrong tbh.

 

I'm not talking specifically about the Mido case here and neither is Fop.

[JawD 31]

Trouble is, many see that football chants are not included in moral rights and wrongs. Supporters of all clubs regularly step over the line and occassionally they are pointed out such as this. Really, it shouldnt be acceptable to sing against someones religion, sexual preference, and certainly not suggestion about being a paedophile, even though this is clearly in jest. Then if all the bloke does in return is say "ssshhh" when he scores, It cant be right that he is then the one penalised. Chants should be funny at times, not controversial. I thought we were better than that.

[Fop 1]

Just because a LOT of people believe something doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean it should be immune from criticism or even necessarily mockery.

 

There we have it, you believe it is ok to mock someone's beliefs. You sir are a fucking moron.

 

So you are saying muslims believe in bombing? because the chants were not mocking the muslim faith they were mocking bombers. Those that make the link in the way you have are in the wrong tbh.

 

I'm not talking specifically about the Mido case here and neither is Fop.

 

Well I was because they [the reporter] dragged "Islamophobia" into it, which is about a broad an generalisation as could possible be made on the issue and it still be deemed an insult.

[ewerk 26285]

Just because a LOT of people believe something doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean it should be immune from criticism or even necessarily mockery.

 

There we have it, you believe it is ok to mock someone's beliefs.

 

It depends upon the exact belief.

 

A belief I blow myself up killing the "kafir" and I will go to heaven and have 40(?) virgins cater to my every whim?

Fucking right it's should be mocked, at the very, very least.

 

But there's still a world of difference between can and should.

 

 

 

But NO belief should ever be immune to question and indeed to criticism, NONE.

 

I agree no belief should be immune from criticism but there is a big difference between a critical exchange of views and mockery.

 

 

You sir are a fucking moron.

 

And you are clearly one of those judgmental self centered ignorant bastards kept in control by fear not decency and reason, then (if I'm "allowed" to be insulting and judgmental too).

 

[peasepud 59]

Just because a LOT of people believe something doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean it should be immune from criticism or even necessarily mockery.

 

There we have it, you believe it is ok to mock someone's beliefs. You sir are a fucking moron.

 

So you are saying muslims believe in bombing? because the chants were not mocking the muslim faith they were mocking bombers. Those that make the link in the way you have are in the wrong tbh.

 

I'm not talking specifically about the Mido case here and neither is Fop.

 

Then take it to General Chat, this threads about the mocking of Mido, Im not having a go here btw but a discussion on the whys and wherefores of the muslim faith sits much better in General than here.

[Fop 1]

Trouble is, many see that football chants are not included in moral rights and wrongs. Supporters of all clubs regularly step over the line and occassionally they are pointed out such as this. Really, it shouldnt be acceptable to sing against someones religion, sexual preference, and certainly not suggestion about being a paedophile, even though this is clearly in jest. Then if all the bloke does in return is say "ssshhh" when he scores, It cant be right that he is then the one penalised. Chants should be funny at times, not controversial. I thought we were better than that.

 

Yeah getting a card is one of those stupid "rules of the games" jobsworth things, no way he should have got a card for putting his finger to his lips like that.

 

 

And I still think it's not an acceptable/nice thing to sing, just not a sensationally "islamophobic" as portrayed (by someone that probably has some other axe to grind).

[ewerk 26285]

Just because a LOT of people believe something doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean it should be immune from criticism or even necessarily mockery.

 

There we have it, you believe it is ok to mock someone's beliefs. You sir are a fucking moron.

 

So you are saying muslims believe in bombing? because the chants were not mocking the muslim faith they were mocking bombers. Those that make the link in the way you have are in the wrong tbh.

 

I'm not talking specifically about the Mido case here and neither is Fop.

 

Well I was because they [the reporter] dragged "Islamophobia" into it, which is about a broad an generalisation as could possible be made on the issue and it still be deemed an insult.

 

No you weren't, you were talking about beliefs, it has already been established that Mido was getting shit because of his resemblance to Richard Reid not because of his beliefs, rendering the islamophobia arguement redundant in this case.

[ewerk 26285]

Just because a LOT of people believe something doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean it should be immune from criticism or even necessarily mockery.

 

There we have it, you believe it is ok to mock someone's beliefs. You sir are a fucking moron.

 

So you are saying muslims believe in bombing? because the chants were not mocking the muslim faith they were mocking bombers. Those that make the link in the way you have are in the wrong tbh.

 

I'm not talking specifically about the Mido case here and neither is Fop.

 

Then take it to General Chat, this threads about the mocking of Mido, Im not having a go here btw but a discussion on the whys and wherefores of the muslim faith sits much better in General than here.

 

God forbid that a thread should naturally go off-topic.

 

Edit: And it is relevant in the fact that many people (myself included) had the initial reaction that the chanting was religiously motivated.

Edited August 27, 2007 by ewerk

[Fop 1]

Just because a LOT of people believe something doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean it should be immune from criticism or even necessarily mockery.

 

There we have it, you believe it is ok to mock someone's beliefs. You sir are a fucking moron.

 

So you are saying muslims believe in bombing? because the chants were not mocking the muslim faith they were mocking bombers. Those that make the link in the way you have are in the wrong tbh.

 

I'm not talking specifically about the Mido case here and neither is Fop.

 

Well I was because they [the reporter] dragged "Islamophobia" into it, which is about a broad an generalisation as could possible be made on the issue and it still be deemed an insult.

 

No you weren't, you were talking about beliefs, it has already been established that Mido was getting shit because of his resemblance to Richard Reid not because of his beliefs, rendering the islamophobia arguement redundant in this case.

 

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Listening to them persistently subject Mido, Middlesbrough's new Egyptian striker, to vile and ignorant Islamophobic abuse detracted from a compelling game that was dominated by Gareth Southgate's gloriously creative side.

[peasepud 59]

 

I'm not talking specifically about the Mido case here and neither is Fop.

 

Then take it to General Chat, this threads about the mocking of Mido, Im not having a go here btw but a discussion on the whys and wherefores of the muslim faith sits much better in General than here.

 

God forbid that a thread should naturally go off-topic.

 

Edit: And it is relevant in the fact that many people (myself included) had the initial reaction that the chanting was religiously motivated.

 

Yes its relevant at that stage but then we get into ten pages of muslim suicide bombers this and racist bastard that which detracts it away from the original thread so much it becomes irrelevant. I was merely trying to point you in the direction of where this would be better sited. As we've already seen, anyone who has a differing opinion to the "hes a muslim therefore its disgraceful to mock him in any shape or form" will be branded racist by one or two on here.

[ewerk 26285]

Just because a LOT of people believe something doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean it should be immune from criticism or even necessarily mockery.

 

There we have it, you believe it is ok to mock someone's beliefs. You sir are a fucking moron.

 

So you are saying muslims believe in bombing? because the chants were not mocking the muslim faith they were mocking bombers. Those that make the link in the way you have are in the wrong tbh.

 

I'm not talking specifically about the Mido case here and neither is Fop.

 

Well I was because they [the reporter] dragged "Islamophobia" into it, which is about a broad an generalisation as could possible be made on the issue and it still be deemed an insult.

 

No you weren't, you were talking about beliefs, it has already been established that Mido was getting shit because of his resemblance to Richard Reid not because of his beliefs, rendering the islamophobia arguement redundant in this case.

 

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Listening to them persistently subject Mido, Middlesbrough's new Egyptian striker, to vile and ignorant Islamophobic abuse detracted from a compelling game that was dominated by Gareth Southgate's gloriously creative side.

 

Let me repeat this yet again, we have established that the Mido incident was not islamophobia, I'm not talking about what some journo wrote.

[ewerk 26285]

 

I'm not talking specifically about the Mido case here and neither is Fop.

 

Then take it to General Chat, this threads about the mocking of Mido, Im not having a go here btw but a discussion on the whys and wherefores of the muslim faith sits much better in General than here.

 

God forbid that a thread should naturally go off-topic.

 

Edit: And it is relevant in the fact that many people (myself included) had the initial reaction that the chanting was religiously motivated.

 

Yes its relevant at that stage but then we get into ten pages of muslim suicide bombers this and racist bastard that which detracts it away from the original thread so much it becomes irrelevant. I was merely trying to point you in the direction of where this would be better sited. As we've already seen, anyone who has a differing opinion to the "hes a muslim therefore its disgraceful to mock him in any shape or form" will be branded racist by one or two on here.

 

Well if someone wants to start a thread in GC then perhaps it would be more suited in there but tbh Fop has once again worn me down with his amazing ability to bore to tears even the most enthusiastic poster.

[@yourservice 67]

At the end of the day Gareth Southgate was spot on with his comments.

[Jimbo 133]

I guess you need to draw a line regarding certain chants, but if a professional footballer can't cope with baracking and banter from the fans then he's in the wrong job.

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

Hay guys.......

[NJS 3977]

I agree no belief should be immune from criticism but there is a big difference between a critical exchange of views and mockery.

 

Given the fact that organized religion as a whole cannot accept criticism in any way, shape or form and cannot exchange views on any critical basis, mockery is the only thing rational people have left.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3194]

The people who sang it are a disgrace to the club

 

why? what makes it any different to the paedo songs? singing about drunken centre halfs? Posh Spice taking it up the arse? Beardsley being ugly? or every other chant that has taken place against specific players?

Still take bananas to matches to throw at the black players?

 

 

The other trump card.

 

 

Never mind Godwin's Law.

 

 

Are you seriously having difficulty seeing the connection between abusing someone's race and someone's religion?

 

I do a race is something someone is born to and is a genetic factor. religion is purely by choice. I don't care if I upset someone based on their imaginary friend.

[NJS 3977]

I do a race is something someone is born to and is a genetic factor. religion is purely by choice. I don't care if I upset someone based on their imaginary friend.

 

I agree but sadly millions of people are "born into it" and have no choice under penalty of death. Its people who live in "free" countries and still choose it that deserve mockery.

[Asprilla 96]

I do a race is something someone is born to and is a genetic factor. religion is purely by choice. I don't care if I upset someone based on their imaginary friend.

 

I agree but sadly millions of people are "born into it" and have no choice under penalty of death. Its people who live in "free" countries and still choose it that deserve mockery.

Are you saying people who are religious should be mocked?

 

I'm not religious as in I don't follow a particular religion but I respect those who wish to.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3194]

I do a race is something someone is born to and is a genetic factor. religion is purely by choice. I don't care if I upset someone based on their imaginary friend.

 

I agree but sadly millions of people are "born into it" and have no choice under penalty of death. Its people who live in "free" countries and still choose it that deserve mockery.

Are you saying people who are religious should be mocked?

 

I'm not religious as in I don't follow a particular religion but I respect those who wish to.

 

Absolutely all religious beliefs should be mocked occasionally.

[NJS 3977]

I do a race is something someone is born to and is a genetic factor. religion is purely by choice. I don't care if I upset someone based on their imaginary friend.

 

I agree but sadly millions of people are "born into it" and have no choice under penalty of death. Its people who live in "free" countries and still choose it that deserve mockery.

Are you saying people who are religious should be mocked?

 

I'm not religious as in I don't follow a particular religion but I respect those who wish to.

 

I respect individual beliefs as long as they remain private but despise organised religion and think anyone who advertises irrational nonsense should be mocked.