Rob W 0 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I consider them an irrelevance to be honest. 34111[/snapback] Naive I think. It's true that they have little political power, but they are still the living embodiment of the class system. A soceity not fundamentally based on freedom or merit, but class and privilege. And then of course they are always there in the media. We are expected to respect Charle's idiotic viewpoints, and genuflect to the Queen. We are expected to mourn when one of these parasites die. Well fuck that. Down with the monarchy! 34174[/snapback] Agreed............................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80-2 0 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I consider them an irrelevance to be honest. 34111[/snapback] Naive I think. It's true that they have little political power, but they are still the living embodiment of the class system. A soceity not fundamentally based on freedom or merit, but class and privilege. And then of course they are always there in the media. We are expected to respect Charle's idiotic viewpoints, and genuflect to the Queen. We are expected to mourn when one of these parasites die. Well fuck that. Down with the monarchy! 34174[/snapback] Really? Who says? If he is a stupid man, tell him so, plenty of others do. I usually think that its those who are most concerned about the existence of a percieved class system that are most concerned about their place within it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17746 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I consider them an irrelevance to be honest. 34111[/snapback] Naive I think . It's true that they have little political power, but they are still the living embodiment of the class system. A soceity not fundamentally based on freedom or merit, but class and privilege. And then of course they are always there in the media. We are expected to respect Charle's idiotic viewpoints, and genuflect to the Queen. We are expected to mourn when one of these parasites die. Well fuck that. Down with the monarchy! 34174[/snapback] Thanks, your view is in no way cliched of course 34181[/snapback] Smart arses specialising in one-liners will be up against the wall as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17746 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I consider them an irrelevance to be honest. 34111[/snapback] Naive I think. It's true that they have little political power, but they are still the living embodiment of the class system. A soceity not fundamentally based on freedom or merit, but class and privilege. And then of course they are always there in the media. We are expected to respect Charle's idiotic viewpoints, and genuflect to the Queen. We are expected to mourn when one of these parasites die. Well fuck that. Down with the monarchy! 34174[/snapback] Really? Who says? If he is a stupid man, tell him so, plenty of others do. I usually think that its those who are most concerned about the existence of a percieved class system that are most concerned about their place within it. 34194[/snapback] Not at all, just a bit bored waiting for the bell to go..... They do piss me right off mind but I agree their are bigger issues to worry about - like the plight of NUFC for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Lazaru 0 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I consider them an irrelevance to be honest. 34111[/snapback] Naive I think. It's true that they have little political power, but they are still the living embodiment of the class system. A soceity not fundamentally based on freedom or merit, but class and privilege. And then of course they are always there in the media. We are expected to respect Charle's idiotic viewpoints, and genuflect to the Queen. We are expected to mourn when one of these parasites die. Well fuck that. Down with the monarchy! 34174[/snapback] Really? Who says? If he is a stupid man, tell him so, plenty of others do. I usually think that its those who are most concerned about the existence of a percieved class system that are most concerned about their place within it. 34194[/snapback] Not at all, just a bit bored waiting for the bell to go..... They do piss me right off mind but I agree their are bigger issues to worry about - like the plight of NUFC for one. 34201[/snapback] How about we abolish the monarchy and employ them as our manager and coaching staff. You get rid of them "ruling" the country and we get a step up in class in terms of manager and coaches from the current shower of shite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80-2 0 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 We could set Harry on any slackers. Sounds good, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17746 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I consider them an irrelevance to be honest. 34111[/snapback] Naive I think. It's true that they have little political power, but they are still the living embodiment of the class system. A soceity not fundamentally based on freedom or merit, but class and privilege. And then of course they are always there in the media. We are expected to respect Charle's idiotic viewpoints, and genuflect to the Queen. We are expected to mourn when one of these parasites die. Well fuck that. Down with the monarchy! 34174[/snapback] Really? Who says? If he is a stupid man, tell him so, plenty of others do. I usually think that its those who are most concerned about the existence of a percieved class system that are most concerned about their place within it. 34194[/snapback] Not at all, just a bit bored waiting for the bell to go..... They do piss me right off mind but I agree their are bigger issues to worry about - like the plight of NUFC for one. 34201[/snapback] How about we abolish the monarchy and employ them as our manager and coaching staff. You get rid of them "ruling" the country and we get a step up in class in terms of manager and coaches from the current shower of shite! 34202[/snapback] Hmmm. I think they would make better corner posts and corner flags really, I'll do the coaching. Question though - Zara Phillips - Would you or wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I consider them an irrelevance to be honest. 34111[/snapback] Naive I think . It's true that they have little political power, but they are still the living embodiment of the class system. A soceity not fundamentally based on freedom or merit, but class and privilege. And then of course they are always there in the media. We are expected to respect Charle's idiotic viewpoints, and genuflect to the Queen. We are expected to mourn when one of these parasites die. Well fuck that. Down with the monarchy! 34174[/snapback] Thanks, your view is in no way cliched of course 34181[/snapback] Smart arses specialising in one-liners will be up against the wall as well. 34198[/snapback] Well, your reply was a one-liner. Don't be so hard on yourself though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3977 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 As I said at the time how crass was it for some upper class twats to decide on "colonials and natives" as a party theme? - did they dress as spear chucking "wogs" just for a laugh? As Renton says for someone who has had a minor fortune spent on his education to then think a nazi uniform fits this theme shows a level of thickness that is a monument to the similarly wasted education of his parents (biological and adoptive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 As I said at the time how crass was it for some upper class twats to decide on "colonials and natives" as a party theme? - did they dress as spear chucking "wogs" just for a laugh? As Renton says for someone who has had a minor fortune spent on his education to then think a nazi uniform fits this theme shows a level of thickness that is a monument to the similarly wasted education of his parents (biological and adoptive). 34227[/snapback] Don't see what it has to do with class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 As I said at the time how crass was it for some upper class twats to decide on "colonials and natives" as a party theme? - did they dress as spear chucking "wogs" just for a laugh? As Renton says for someone who has had a minor fortune spent on his education to then think a nazi uniform fits this theme shows a level of thickness that is a monument to the similarly wasted education of his parents (biological and adoptive). 34227[/snapback] Don't see what it has to do with class. 34230[/snapback] upper class=greatest beneficiaries from empire/colonialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80-2 0 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 As I said at the time how crass was it for some upper class twats to decide on "colonials and natives" as a party theme? - did they dress as spear chucking "wogs" just for a laugh? You're thinking within the realms of your own experiences. To much of that lot, theres a social cachet in sourcing some good looking costume of a specific tribe, there wasn't as much "leaves on bollocks, spears in hands" stuff, therefore. As Renton says for someone who has had a minor fortune spent on his education to then think a nazi uniform fits this theme shows a level of thickness that is a monument to the similarly wasted education of his parents (biological and adoptive). 34227[/snapback] Of course, it also demonstrates what a concientious and decent young man he is for associating The Third Reich with what he no doubt sees as the appalling excesses of imperial England in its pomp, ruthlessly exploiting Mother Africa for sheer greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 As I said at the time how crass was it for some upper class twats to decide on "colonials and natives" as a party theme? - did they dress as spear chucking "wogs" just for a laugh? As Renton says for someone who has had a minor fortune spent on his education to then think a nazi uniform fits this theme shows a level of thickness that is a monument to the similarly wasted education of his parents (biological and adoptive). 34227[/snapback] Don't see what it has to do with class. 34230[/snapback] upper class=greatest beneficiaries from empire/colonialism 34231[/snapback] You could argue completely the opposite mancy. The upper classes in countries that were never colonists still do quite well. You could in fact argue that thwe lower classes really benefit most. Look at the standard of living of the average American for example. What I'm really getting at with NJS's post was that his attitude sounds like an excuse to bitterly generalise. Maybe if we stopped slinging shit at each other we might actually learn something? Would it be ok for 'working class twats' to hold the same party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80-2 0 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 As I said at the time how crass was it for some upper class twats to decide on "colonials and natives" as a party theme? - did they dress as spear chucking "wogs" just for a laugh? As Renton says for someone who has had a minor fortune spent on his education to then think a nazi uniform fits this theme shows a level of thickness that is a monument to the similarly wasted education of his parents (biological and adoptive). 34227[/snapback] Don't see what it has to do with class. 34230[/snapback] upper class=greatest beneficiaries from empire/colonialism 34231[/snapback] You're thinking of the middle classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80-2 0 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 As I said at the time how crass was it for some upper class twats to decide on "colonials and natives" as a party theme? - did they dress as spear chucking "wogs" just for a laugh? As Renton says for someone who has had a minor fortune spent on his education to then think a nazi uniform fits this theme shows a level of thickness that is a monument to the similarly wasted education of his parents (biological and adoptive). 34227[/snapback] Don't see what it has to do with class. 34230[/snapback] upper class=greatest beneficiaries from empire/colonialism 34231[/snapback] You could argue completely the opposite mancy. The upper classes in countries that were never colonists still do quite well. You could in fact argue that thwe lower classes really benefit most. Look at the standard of living of the average American for example. What I'm really getting at with NJS's post was that his attitude sounds like an excuse to bitterly generalise. Maybe if we stopped slinging shit at each other we might actually learn something? Would it be ok for 'working class twats' to hold the same party? 34233[/snapback] Basically what I said at greater length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 As I said at the time how crass was it for some upper class twats to decide on "colonials and natives" as a party theme? - did they dress as spear chucking "wogs" just for a laugh? As Renton says for someone who has had a minor fortune spent on his education to then think a nazi uniform fits this theme shows a level of thickness that is a monument to the similarly wasted education of his parents (biological and adoptive). 34227[/snapback] Don't see what it has to do with class. 34230[/snapback] upper class=greatest beneficiaries from empire/colonialism 34231[/snapback] You're thinking of the middle classes. 34234[/snapback] Excuse me, but I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 You're thinking of the middle classes. 34234[/snapback] Well, if brevity is the soul of wit I guess that makes me pretty dim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 As I said at the time how crass was it for some upper class twats to decide on "colonials and natives" as a party theme? - did they dress as spear chucking "wogs" just for a laugh? As Renton says for someone who has had a minor fortune spent on his education to then think a nazi uniform fits this theme shows a level of thickness that is a monument to the similarly wasted education of his parents (biological and adoptive). 34227[/snapback] Don't see what it has to do with class. 34230[/snapback] upper class=greatest beneficiaries from empire/colonialism 34231[/snapback] You could argue completely the opposite mancy. The upper classes in countries that were never colonists still do quite well. You could in fact argue that thwe lower classes really benefit most. Look at the standard of living of the average American for example. What I'm really getting at with NJS's post was that his attitude sounds like an excuse to bitterly generalise. Maybe if we stopped slinging shit at each other we might actually learn something? Would it be ok for 'working class twats' to hold the same party? 34233[/snapback] No. But to take you back to the original point I do think that it would be marginally less 'crass!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80-2 0 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 As I said at the time how crass was it for some upper class twats to decide on "colonials and natives" as a party theme? - did they dress as spear chucking "wogs" just for a laugh? As Renton says for someone who has had a minor fortune spent on his education to then think a nazi uniform fits this theme shows a level of thickness that is a monument to the similarly wasted education of his parents (biological and adoptive). 34227[/snapback] Don't see what it has to do with class. 34230[/snapback] upper class=greatest beneficiaries from empire/colonialism 34231[/snapback] You're thinking of the middle classes. 34234[/snapback] Excuse me, but I'm not. 34236[/snapback] Well, in that case, I suggest you do some reading up, Sir. It can be well argued that the rise and rise of the middle classes throughout the 18th and 19th centuries rang the death knell for the upper classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 No. But to take you back to the original point I do think that it would be marginally less 'crass!' 34238[/snapback] You really think the state of one's bank balance should affect one's sensitivity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3977 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Its crass for several reasons. Most of all because these people are the descendants of the empire builders and owners who directly benefited from slavery. Or do you think all of that wealth quietly diappeared? Then you have the racism angle - as I said "natives" to me in that context would bring to mind stereotypical images of africans with spears. You can argue the semantics of "colonials and natives" to include America etc as you did but I don't believe thats how these people thought of it for one second. Yes I have got a problem with class and privilege and I make no apologies for it. The fact that people just "accept" wealth and power through birthright sickens me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 It normally does.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 As I said at the time how crass was it for some upper class twats to decide on "colonials and natives" as a party theme? - did they dress as spear chucking "wogs" just for a laugh? As Renton says for someone who has had a minor fortune spent on his education to then think a nazi uniform fits this theme shows a level of thickness that is a monument to the similarly wasted education of his parents (biological and adoptive). 34227[/snapback] Don't see what it has to do with class. 34230[/snapback] upper class=greatest beneficiaries from empire/colonialism 34231[/snapback] You're thinking of the middle classes. 34234[/snapback] Excuse me, but I'm not. 34236[/snapback] Well, in that case, I suggest you do some reading up, Sir. It can be well argued that the rise and rise of the middle classes throughout the 18th and 19th centuries rang the death knell for the upper classes. 34239[/snapback] Hmmmmm......so much so that we still have an upper class in the 21st century? Don't get me wrong, I do realise that the middle classes benefitted from slavery/empire but the upper classes (aka the 'landed gentry') basically only profit from the privilige of owning land. Empire was the biggest land expansion since....well I'd say the Romans n'est-ce pas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Its crass for several reasons. Most of all because these people are the descendants of the empire builders and owners who directly benefited from slavery. Or do you think all of that wealth quietly diappeared? Then you have the racism angle - as I said "natives" to me in that context would bring to mind stereotypical images of africans with spears. You can argue the semantics of "colonials and natives" to include America etc as you did but I don't believe thats how these people thought of it for one second. Yes I have got a problem with class and privilege and I make no apologies for it. The fact that people just "accept" wealth and power through birthright sickens me. 34242[/snapback] I'm not a Catholic, I don't believe in original sin. You're making some massive assumptions and I think you've got a chip on your shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 No. But to take you back to the original point I do think that it would be marginally less 'crass!' 34238[/snapback] You really think the state of one's bank balance should affect one's sensitivity? 34240[/snapback] No...to explain, these people are the descendants of the founding fathers of empire. And empire was bad...mkay. For the spearchuckers etc etc that they were portraying. Thats where a heightened sensitivity to such things might be desirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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