Tom 13836 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Hmm I'm not sure I would call it bottling like. You shouldn't write off a decent 90 minutes because he missed a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 he just goes as missing in big games as Ronaldo does. I completely agree. i completely disagree Do you know what about though? ronaldo doesnt go missing in big games, he just isnt as good as he is against the teams outside the top 4, but you can say that about more or less every player in the world. Also scoring in the champions league final and being man utds biggest threat at the nou camp isnt exactly bad considering man utds team is full of world class players What about his bottling of those two penalties? what about the pens in the arsenal game where he scored the 1st one then had to take it again and scored again? also plenty of world class players have missed pens In their two biggest games of the season pretty much, in a row. I'd class that as bottling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 To honest it's more of a criticism of those who think he's the best player in the world bar none (or ever ) than of the player himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13836 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Yeh but for me missing a penalty isn't always bottling. Plus i reckon Robert was just as good if not better at free kicks and long shots than Ronaldo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Yeh but for me missing a penalty isn't always bottling. What is it then? Fair enough if it was one, but two. Especially that one in the final with his dodgy run up, bottled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Yeh but for me missing a penalty isn't always bottling. Plus i reckon Robert was just as good if not better at free kicks and long shots than Ronaldo. It was on those two occasions imo. It's not the crux of my argument however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13836 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Yeh but for me missing a penalty isn't always bottling. What is it then? Fair enough if it was one, but two. Especially that one in the final with his dodgy run up, bottled it. I think he was trying to be a bit clever rather than doing the simple thing. e.g normal run up place it, run away celebrating. He wanted his penalties to be something special and suffered for it, so rather than placing it nicely into the top corner he wanted to break the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggy99 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 (edited) he just goes as missing in big games as Ronaldo does. I completely agree. i completely disagree Do you know what about though? ronaldo doesnt go missing in big games, he just isnt as good as he is against the teams outside the top 4, but you can say that about more or less every player in the world. Also scoring in the champions league final and being man utds biggest threat at the nou camp isnt exactly bad considering man utds team is full of world class players What about his bottling of those two penalties? what about the pens in the arsenal game where he scored the 1st one then had to take it again and scored again? also plenty of world class players have missed pens In their two biggest games of the season pretty much, in a row. I'd class that as bottling. were you not sayin trezeguet is not overated? when hes reguarded as one of the top strikers in europe. But going off what your saying about ronaldo should go the same for trezeguet as he missed a pen in the world cup final Edited June 4, 2008 by triggy99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 he just goes as missing in big games as Ronaldo does. I completely agree. i completely disagree Do you know what about though? ronaldo doesnt go missing in big games, he just isnt as good as he is against the teams outside the top 4, but you can say that about more or less every player in the world. Also scoring in the champions league final and being man utds biggest threat at the nou camp isnt exactly bad considering man utds team is full of world class players What about his bottling of those two penalties? what about the pens in the arsenal game where he scored the 1st one then had to take it again and scored again? also plenty of world class players have missed pens In their two biggest games of the season pretty much, in a row. I'd class that as bottling. were you not sayin trezeguet is not underated? when hes reguarded as one of the top strikers in europe. But going off what your saying about ronaldo should go the same for trezeguet as he missed a pen in the world cup final Ronaldo's the specialist penalty-taker at Man Utd. Missing two in a row in big games suggests an iffy big match temperament to me. It's missing the point though in any case. He rarely plays that well in big games. Ironically when he's sort of cured that at the business end of the CL this season, the penalty misses spoilt it for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 he just goes as missing in big games as Ronaldo does. I completely agree. i completely disagree Do you know what about though? ronaldo doesnt go missing in big games, he just isnt as good as he is against the teams outside the top 4, but you can say that about more or less every player in the world. Also scoring in the champions league final and being man utds biggest threat at the nou camp isnt exactly bad considering man utds team is full of world class players What about his bottling of those two penalties? what about the pens in the arsenal game where he scored the 1st one then had to take it again and scored again? also plenty of world class players have missed pens In their two biggest games of the season pretty much, in a row. I'd class that as bottling. were you not sayin trezeguet is not overated? when hes reguarded as one of the top strikers in europe. But going off what your saying about ronaldo should go the same for trezeguet as he missed a pen in the world cup final I've not mentioned Trezeguet being a bottler though. I never said Cristiano isn't one of the top players in the World just on those occassions he flapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Yeh but for me missing a penalty isn't always bottling. What is it then? Fair enough if it was one, but two. Especially that one in the final with his dodgy run up, bottled it. I think he was trying to be a bit clever rather than doing the simple thing. e.g normal run up place it, run away celebrating. He wanted his penalties to be something special and suffered for it, so rather than placing it nicely into the top corner he wanted to break the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggy99 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 he just goes as missing in big games as Ronaldo does. I completely agree. i completely disagree Do you know what about though? ronaldo doesnt go missing in big games, he just isnt as good as he is against the teams outside the top 4, but you can say that about more or less every player in the world. Also scoring in the champions league final and being man utds biggest threat at the nou camp isnt exactly bad considering man utds team is full of world class players What about his bottling of those two penalties? what about the pens in the arsenal game where he scored the 1st one then had to take it again and scored again? also plenty of world class players have missed pens In their two biggest games of the season pretty much, in a row. I'd class that as bottling. were you not sayin trezeguet is not overated? when hes reguarded as one of the top strikers in europe. But going off what your saying about ronaldo should go the same for trezeguet as he missed a pen in the world cup final I've not mentioned Trezeguet being a bottler though. I never said Cristiano isn't one of the top players in the World just on those occassions he flapped. So whats your point? He missed 2 pens in a tournament that man utd went and won anyway and did he not finish as top scorer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 So whats your point? He missed 2 pens in a tournament that man utd went and won anyway and did he not finish as top scorer? My point was that he flapped in those two instances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggy99 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 So whats your point? He missed 2 pens in a tournament that man utd went and won anyway and did he not finish as top scorer? My point was that he flapped in those two instances. he didnt flap like. His barca pen was unlucky and it was his stupid run up that messed up the one in the final. but more or less every main pen taker misses a pen so your arguements pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 So whats your point? He missed 2 pens in a tournament that man utd went and won anyway and did he not finish as top scorer? My point was that he flapped in those two instances. he didnt flap like. His barca pen was unlucky and it was his stupid run up that messed up the one in the final. but more or less every main pen taker misses a pen so your arguements pointless Not really no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawan 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 Like some have said, Ronaldo disappears in big games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Besty 4 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 So whats your point? He missed 2 pens in a tournament that man utd went and won anyway and did he not finish as top scorer? My point was that he flapped in those two instances. he didnt flap like. His barca pen was unlucky and it was his stupid run up that messed up the one in the final. but more or less every main pen taker misses a pen so your arguements pointless Not really no. Yes it does Jonny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 So whats your point? He missed 2 pens in a tournament that man utd went and won anyway and did he not finish as top scorer? My point was that he flapped in those two instances. he didnt flap like. His barca pen was unlucky and it was his stupid run up that messed up the one in the final. but more or less every main pen taker misses a pen so your arguements pointless Not really no. Yes it does Jonny. Yes what does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawan 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 So whats your point? He missed 2 pens in a tournament that man utd went and won anyway and did he not finish as top scorer? My point was that he flapped in those two instances. he didnt flap like. His barca pen was unlucky and it was his stupid run up that messed up the one in the final. but more or less every main pen taker misses a pen so your arguements pointless Not really no. Yes it does Jonny. Yes what does? Your argument is pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 So whats your point? He missed 2 pens in a tournament that man utd went and won anyway and did he not finish as top scorer? My point was that he flapped in those two instances. he didnt flap like. His barca pen was unlucky and it was his stupid run up that messed up the one in the final. but more or less every main pen taker misses a pen so your arguements pointless Not really no. Yes it does Jonny. Yes what does? Your argument is pointless It's obviously not though, due to the pressure situations he was in both times, and he flapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawan 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 So whats your point? He missed 2 pens in a tournament that man utd went and won anyway and did he not finish as top scorer? My point was that he flapped in those two instances. he didnt flap like. His barca pen was unlucky and it was his stupid run up that messed up the one in the final. but more or less every main pen taker misses a pen so your arguements pointless Not really no. Yes it does Jonny. Yes what does? Your argument is pointless It's obviously not though, due to the pressure situations he was in both times, and he flapped. But he still scored in the final yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 So whats your point? He missed 2 pens in a tournament that man utd went and won anyway and did he not finish as top scorer? My point was that he flapped in those two instances. he didnt flap like. His barca pen was unlucky and it was his stupid run up that messed up the one in the final. but more or less every main pen taker misses a pen so your arguements pointless Not really no. Yes it does Jonny. Yes what does? Your argument is pointless It's obviously not though, due to the pressure situations he was in both times, and he flapped. But he still scored in the final yeah? Yes indeed he did. But once again I was talking about those penalties as people seem to be ignoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 If he'd scored a hat trick and been MOTM in the final it would have been notable as it would be one of the only occasions he did turn up in a big game. He did play alright though. Not to his normal standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggy99 0 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 the pens dont matter though, they didnt make a difference because man utd still won the champions league. you cant have a go at a player for missing a pen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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