Tom 13836 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I don't think that Ashley will be around much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 31 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Hope its true I had a box for a one off game (Valencia). When arranging it I asked then about box availability for the season and was told there were plenty left. This is also when I was told that Ashley was meeting with the various sponsors to give them reassurances about the future and direction. Assuming this went ahead, he'll be looking a right tit now and no wonder there is a lack of faith or confidence and these arn't selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 The credit crunch at St James' Park looks set to bite hard, with the Newcastle business community shunning a host of corporate sponsorship deals to hit owner Mike Ashley where it hurts. After fans launched the 'No more Geordie cash for Ashley' campaign, encouraging fans to boycott club merchandise, bars and Ashley's Sports Direct Direct stores, businesses on Tyneside are refusing to buy matchday ventures at the troubled Tyneside club. Geordie businesses are unlikely to want to be associated with the current regime at St James' Park, giving match and programme sponsorship a wide berth, as well as executive box sponsorship. With Newcastle charging £7,500 to sponsor a match, to date eight Premier League clashes remain unsold. Twelve executive boxes - charged at £50,000 apiece - remain empty for the season, and Ashley will have to dig deep into his personal reserves to make up for the shortfall. Meanwhile, United are also searching programme sponsorship, charged at £2,500 per match, as well as match day kit sponsorship (£3,250) and match ball sponsors at £2,500 a pop, say the Daily Mirror. http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/footba...b.html?ITO=1490 This (if it is true) is likely to have a much greater impact than boycotting games that you have already paid for. This will all start to add up and hit Ashley in the pocket. Although it unfortunately could have the effect of reducing our transfer funds in the next window(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 My only concern about boycotting the Spurs game is that in twenty years when people outside of Newcastle will have forgotten about Ashley and his mess, there'll be an internet message board argument between Stevie's kid and Danny B's Philippine lover about attendances and who's the bigger club... Bassey said it best ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 (edited) Can't get the image to work, but download and display the pdf.... http://www.true-faith.co.uk/tf/features.ns...F1?OpenDocument Edited September 10, 2008 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 31 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Download and display the pdf.... http://www.true-faith.co.uk/tf/features.ns...F1?OpenDocument Should stick them on the outside of the turn styles as we go through them on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3599 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 If the club income declines won't Ashley just reduce the transfer kitty further to make up his losses? I know people are angry but it just seems to me this boycott militancy is not going to do the football team any favours. Protesting about having a fucked up club is in danger of becoming a self-fulfilled prophesy. There isnt going to be a transfer kitty, Ashley isnt trying to get succes as we see it, he is trying to line his pockets. The only hope I see for the future is if he cant make money out of it then he will sell up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 How much money can he possibly make like that though? If that's all he's interested in surely there are far easier and better ways for him to do it. I don't know what his plan was/is but you can't make much by asset striping a football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3599 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 How much money can he possibly make like that though? If that's all he's interested in surely there are far easier and better ways for him to do it. I don't know what his plan was/is but you can't make much by asset striping a football club. Look how much the Halls and FFS made and they were paying out big wages and transfer fees. TV money is going through the roof, internet money will probably dwarf it soon.IF they get enough owners to agree to stop a collective deal for the premier league and for each team to sell its own rights it will go up even more Hes got people buying season tickets three seasons in advance, every player isavailable at a price and he is scouring Europe for cheap talent to sell on at a profit. Sounds like a tasty erarner old son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big TRon 0 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 If the club income declines won't Ashley just reduce the transfer kitty further to make up his losses? I know people are angry but it just seems to me this boycott militancy is not going to do the football team any favours. Protesting about having a fucked up club is in danger of becoming a self-fulfilled prophesy. There isnt going to be a transfer kitty, Ashley isnt trying to get succes as we see it, he is trying to line his pockets. The only hope I see for the future is if he cant make money out of it then he will sell up If there was no transfer kitty I doubt we'd have paid £10m for Coloccini. Yes, I know we sold players as well, but if we really wanted to do everything on the cheap, we could have bought someone for a lot less and Ashley would be making even more profit, which is his only aim according to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 How much money can he possibly make like that though? If that's all he's interested in surely there are far easier and better ways for him to do it. I don't know what his plan was/is but you can't make much by asset striping a football club. Look how much the Halls and FFS made and they were paying out big wages and transfer fees. TV money is going through the roof, internet money will probably dwarf it soon.IF they get enough owners to agree to stop a collective deal for the premier league and for each team to sell its own rights it will go up even more Hes got people buying season tickets three seasons in advance, every player isavailable at a price and he is scouring Europe for cheap talent to sell on at a profit. Sounds like a tasty erarner old son. And aren't NUFC one of the most watched clubs in terms of PPV games, which would back up what you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David Kelly 1117 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 How much money can he possibly make like that though? If that's all he's interested in surely there are far easier and better ways for him to do it. I don't know what his plan was/is but you can't make much by asset striping a football club. Look how much the Halls and FFS made and they were paying out big wages and transfer fees. TV money is going through the roof, internet money will probably dwarf it soon.IF they get enough owners to agree to stop a collective deal for the premier league and for each team to sell its own rights it will go up even more Hes got people buying season tickets three seasons in advance, every player isavailable at a price and he is scouring Europe for cheap talent to sell on at a profit. Sounds like a tasty erarner old son. The Hall's FFS argument doesn't really compare though as they bought the club when it was at its lowest ebb (after years of a board doing exactly what you are saying Ashley is doing) and therefor cheap. They floated it when the PLC craze was in full flow and made shit loads then. At the time the club was in a faw worse state than we are seeing now and they realised that all that was needed was a bit of reasonable investment and they could make a fortune on the back of the 'sucess' that the investment brought. Ashely doesn't have that oppertunity now that it's already been done. The TV money argument only stands up if we stay in the premiership and he doesn't alienate the customers. He's already failed in the second part of this and if he goes along the path you believe he will fail in the first part too. I just don't see it as a sustainable way to make money out of a football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3599 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 How much money can he possibly make like that though? If that's all he's interested in surely there are far easier and better ways for him to do it. I don't know what his plan was/is but you can't make much by asset striping a football club. Look how much the Halls and FFS made and they were paying out big wages and transfer fees. TV money is going through the roof, internet money will probably dwarf it soon.IF they get enough owners to agree to stop a collective deal for the premier league and for each team to sell its own rights it will go up even more Hes got people buying season tickets three seasons in advance, every player isavailable at a price and he is scouring Europe for cheap talent to sell on at a profit. Sounds like a tasty erarner old son. The Hall's FFS argument doesn't really compare though as they bought the club when it was at its lowest ebb (after years of a board doing exactly what you are saying Ashley is doing) and therefor cheap. They floated it when the PLC craze was in full flow and made shit loads then. At the time the club was in a faw worse state than we are seeing now and they realised that all that was needed was a bit of reasonable investment and they could make a fortune on the back of the 'sucess' that the investment brought. Ashely doesn't have that oppertunity now that it's already been done. The TV money argument only stands up if we stay in the premiership and he doesn't alienate the customers. He's already failed in the second part of this and if he goes along the path you believe he will fail in the first part too. I just don't see it as a sustainable way to make money out of a football club. I dont know the figures for the Halls and Shepherd and how much they were earning from the club for the last few years, and tbh I havent got time to go looking. I take your point about buying the club at a low ebb. I still think they were making a fairly good packet year on year, but I may be wrong. I think that he plans to do enough to keep us in the Premiership, but on a budget that wont harm his bottom line. I dont think he is thick and the team he has put in place does seem have unearthed some talent. I think though that selling players at a profit whilst staying in the Prem is the aim. If he can get a steady stream of young foreign talent coming in who can acheive mid table placings and generate a profit after a couple of years he will be more than happy. As for alienating the customers I think he is banking on the combination of loyalty blind optimism and apathy that we can already see overcoming any short term anger. HE obviously doesnt care what anybody thinks about him personally, revels in it possibly. A team with a production line of young talent, too good to go down but without the serious investment to break into the top 4, with a huge fiercely loyal high spending fanbase. loads of media generated income. I think that is a hell of a way to make a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Though gate receipts have been Newcastles biggest earner, That's because we average almost 20,000 more per game than the Premmier league average. I can't see 20,000 keeping up a boycott, but even if they or more DID, we'd still be averaging more than Premier league mainstayers like Boro, Blackburn, Fulham, Portsmouth, Bolton etc. It's not something that the majority are on board with, so wouldn't have the desired effect. Taking that commercial wedge almost entirely away though. That's feasible. And it would cost the club more than halving the gate. The majority of supporters will go for it, and none match goers can get on board too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 Me and SB were talking the other night and he's pretty much of the same view as my Dad. My Dad's thought this for ages now like, since he heard some stuff about the Modric thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyshinton 59 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 why can we not have a TT one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 why can we not have a TT one Because there are only 50 regular posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14031 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 why can we not have a TT one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyshinton 59 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 why can we not have a TT one Because there are only 50 regular posters. Off subject. I remember when we played a semi at Old tradford, we had loads of stickers to post around the ground, 5 - 0 etc. spent fucking ages licking the back, bastards would not stick. Our sober mate then came up, peeled the back off, stuck the sticker, you could have hung Mackems off the bastard more adhesive than a waalsend charver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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David Kelly 1117 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 How much money can he possibly make like that though? If that's all he's interested in surely there are far easier and better ways for him to do it. I don't know what his plan was/is but you can't make much by asset striping a football club. Look how much the Halls and FFS made and they were paying out big wages and transfer fees. TV money is going through the roof, internet money will probably dwarf it soon.IF they get enough owners to agree to stop a collective deal for the premier league and for each team to sell its own rights it will go up even more Hes got people buying season tickets three seasons in advance, every player isavailable at a price and he is scouring Europe for cheap talent to sell on at a profit. Sounds like a tasty erarner old son. The Hall's FFS argument doesn't really compare though as they bought the club when it was at its lowest ebb (after years of a board doing exactly what you are saying Ashley is doing) and therefor cheap. They floated it when the PLC craze was in full flow and made shit loads then. At the time the club was in a faw worse state than we are seeing now and they realised that all that was needed was a bit of reasonable investment and they could make a fortune on the back of the 'sucess' that the investment brought. Ashely doesn't have that oppertunity now that it's already been done. The TV money argument only stands up if we stay in the premiership and he doesn't alienate the customers. He's already failed in the second part of this and if he goes along the path you believe he will fail in the first part too. I just don't see it as a sustainable way to make money out of a football club. I dont know the figures for the Halls and Shepherd and how much they were earning from the club for the last few years, and tbh I havent got time to go looking. I take your point about buying the club at a low ebb. I still think they were making a fairly good packet year on year, but I may be wrong. I think that he plans to do enough to keep us in the Premiership, but on a budget that wont harm his bottom line. I dont think he is thick and the team he has put in place does seem have unearthed some talent. I think though that selling players at a profit whilst staying in the Prem is the aim. If he can get a steady stream of young foreign talent coming in who can acheive mid table placings and generate a profit after a couple of years he will be more than happy. As for alienating the customers I think he is banking on the combination of loyalty blind optimism and apathy that we can already see overcoming any short term anger. HE obviously doesnt care what anybody thinks about him personally, revels in it possibly. A team with a production line of young talent, too good to go down but without the serious investment to break into the top 4, with a huge fiercely loyal high spending fanbase. loads of media generated income. I think that is a hell of a way to make a lot of money. I'm sure the Halls/FFS still took a fair bit from us in the last few leaner years but this was probably financed by the fat man mortgaging the club to the hilt to pay for transfers. With regards to Ashley, if he won't/is unable to splash out the sort of cash that will allow us to comepete for the title, all we can hope for is to use what we have over the rest of the also rans (a bigger support/global name) and that he will allow us to spend what net income we can make on transfers to go as high as we can. We have to accept that any club that's not amongst the top four is going to have to be a selling club, because the way player power is now if one of those clubs comes calling the player will make sure they move. This is the best scenario I can see happening (very much what is happening with Spurs) and tbh is what I hope is his plans for us if he hangs around because I'm convinced he will never be an Abramovic type owner. The other side is what you're suggesting and that he's only here to make more money and will leave us with the bare minimum to ensure our premiership status and therefore his income. I may be just be being overly optimistic (if you can call it that with such low expectations) but despite a good potential revenue stream from TV, I just don't see it being an amount of money that's worth his while with all of the hassle that it brings (especially with such an initial outlay). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3599 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 How much money can he possibly make like that though? If that's all he's interested in surely there are far easier and better ways for him to do it. I don't know what his plan was/is but you can't make much by asset striping a football club. Look how much the Halls and FFS made and they were paying out big wages and transfer fees. TV money is going through the roof, internet money will probably dwarf it soon.IF they get enough owners to agree to stop a collective deal for the premier league and for each team to sell its own rights it will go up even more Hes got people buying season tickets three seasons in advance, every player isavailable at a price and he is scouring Europe for cheap talent to sell on at a profit. Sounds like a tasty erarner old son. The Hall's FFS argument doesn't really compare though as they bought the club when it was at its lowest ebb (after years of a board doing exactly what you are saying Ashley is doing) and therefor cheap. They floated it when the PLC craze was in full flow and made shit loads then. At the time the club was in a faw worse state than we are seeing now and they realised that all that was needed was a bit of reasonable investment and they could make a fortune on the back of the 'sucess' that the investment brought. Ashely doesn't have that oppertunity now that it's already been done. The TV money argument only stands up if we stay in the premiership and he doesn't alienate the customers. He's already failed in the second part of this and if he goes along the path you believe he will fail in the first part too. I just don't see it as a sustainable way to make money out of a football club. I dont know the figures for the Halls and Shepherd and how much they were earning from the club for the last few years, and tbh I havent got time to go looking. I take your point about buying the club at a low ebb. I still think they were making a fairly good packet year on year, but I may be wrong. I think that he plans to do enough to keep us in the Premiership, but on a budget that wont harm his bottom line. I dont think he is thick and the team he has put in place does seem have unearthed some talent. I think though that selling players at a profit whilst staying in the Prem is the aim. If he can get a steady stream of young foreign talent coming in who can acheive mid table placings and generate a profit after a couple of years he will be more than happy. As for alienating the customers I think he is banking on the combination of loyalty blind optimism and apathy that we can already see overcoming any short term anger. HE obviously doesnt care what anybody thinks about him personally, revels in it possibly. A team with a production line of young talent, too good to go down but without the serious investment to break into the top 4, with a huge fiercely loyal high spending fanbase. loads of media generated income. I think that is a hell of a way to make a lot of money. I'm sure the Halls/FFS still took a fair bit from us in the last few leaner years but this was probably financed by the fat man mortgaging the club to the hilt to pay for transfers. With regards to Ashley, if he won't/is unable to splash out the sort of cash that will allow us to comepete for the title, all we can hope for is to use what we have over the rest of the also rans (a bigger support/global name) and that he will allow us to spend what net income we can make on transfers to go as high as we can. We have to accept that any club that's not amongst the top four is going to have to be a selling club, because the way player power is now if one of those clubs comes calling the player will make sure they move. This is the best scenario I can see happening (very much what is happening with Spurs) and tbh is what I hope is his plans for us if he hangs around because I'm convinced he will never be an Abramovic type owner. The other side is what you're suggesting and that he's only here to make more money and will leave us with the bare minimum to ensure our premiership status and therefore his income. I may be just be being overly optimistic (if you can call it that with such low expectations) but despite a good potential revenue stream from TV, I just don't see it being an amount of money that's worth his while with all of the hassle that it brings (especially with such an initial outlay). We are certainly following the Spurs model in acting disgracefully to the manager, Spurs treatment of Jol was appalling. I just dont see any scenario where Ashley will run the club in a way other than to make a profit. He isnt in it for the glory of winning trophies or for public acclaim. His lack of personal investment and handling of the Keegan business shows this. Ashley could have easily resolved the situation if he desired. I think Keegan beleived to the bitter end he would step in, I also think Keegan would have swallowed working for the system had it brought in the players he seemed to beleive he was getting. He has bought the club for a reason and if you look at his business history it shows the same pattern, maximise profit and bugger what anybody else thinks. His history, events so far, the people he has put in place all point firmly in the same direction, and isnt pretty. I will concede that I dont think we are likely to be the new Leeds, he will protect his investment, having said that I think we could easily struggle this season, the squad is frighteningly small and I worry about anybody getting as much out of the squad as KK would've. Absolute best case scenario is we might win a cup, but even then we will have to get used to seeing the best players flogged off at any sign of a decent profit. The only good I can see is we will be profitable and streamlined enough to make an enticing target for takeover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 mike ashley just spoke on SSN all he said was "no comment its a sports direct day" how much of a joke is that its a fucking sports direct day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 (edited) we might win a cup One Mike Ashley One Mike Ashley Walking along Singing a song Walking in an Ashley wonderland. Edited September 10, 2008 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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