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Tbf though John, you haven't come up with a viable long-term solution to the problem. Probably because there isn't one. Not in terms of what the fans can do anyway.

 

I do agree that there isn't a viable solution at the moment. However cow-towing to Ashley and his cohorts does not seem amenable to me nor the majority of the fans. I have only stated that the NUSC do not speak for the majority and why did they change direction. Making the most of a bad job is not a reason, and that is not the only option on the table. I couldn't tell you long term what is the best option apart from getting shot of Fatboy and his cronies. Apparently if you don't agree with certain people who think they speak as the VOICE of the fans, then you are castigated. 44% would accept him back according to the Journal poll - is that now a majority???

Two things stick out for me. You seem to think you speak for the majority of fans for some reason. You also admit you don't have any idea how the fans should proceed in relation to Ashley yet you're all too happy to criticise people who are putting time into doing something for the good of the club, even if it may turn out to be fruitless. I'd ignore the results of any online poll btw.

I think that you'll find the majority of fans do not want Ashley back, but we'll find out if he does come back . I agree the online polls should be ignored and that is why i disagree with headlines sayin the majority of fans want him back. I also stated that NUSC (or should they now be called the thought police) do not speak for the majority. One thing does puzzle me - why do people now wish to believe Ashley or JFK when it has been proven beyond any doubt that they are liars. There was an offer on the table and nobody seems to know how much that is for - so how can anyone say that a new owner would be worse??? It was interesting that a number of callers on Century tonight stated that they did not want Ashley back and also the NUSC did not speak for the majority. Nobody knows all the facts except Ashley and he treats the fans with contempt, but some people still want him back.Amazing!!!!

I don't think people do believe them. I think Ashley's a liar and Kinnear's his mouthpiece. As I think I've said before, we differ on what is the best thing for the good of the club in the short-term. I also think simply demanding Ashley goes is unrealistic and not neccessarily helpful at present. Staying up this season is the most important thing. That's not to say I wouldn't love someone to buy the club and put a bit of money in.

Ok then we agree that he's no good for the club, but disagree what we can do about him, as no doubt the majority of Newcastle fans.

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nusconline

nusc-online

newcastleunitedsupportersclub

mynusc

 

Any good?

 

Actually, in fairness I probably should have kept my mouth shut. Once my brain caught up I realised that it's not just a case of making a couple of amendments and use a new domain name. All the stuff done around the NUSC to date (links in online articles, newspapers etc) will all use the current domain name.

 

I think I'll take my own advice and STFU ;)

 

Actually, Maggiespaws, you can still register those particular domain names and have them set as "Park and Points" on your hosting companies Domain Name Servers. That way, you can phase out the current domain name for one that may be a bit easier and more "marketable".

 

Apologies if you already knew this but if not, it may help.

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Ok then we agree that he's no good for the club, but disagree what we can do about him, as no doubt the majority of Newcastle fans.

 

Maybe he could be good for the long term future of the club. We lost £2M in 2005, £15M in 2006 and £33M in 2007.

 

A large part of that is all down to the turnover in managers and the frequent payoffs associated with that alongside the huge cost of the inevitable rebuild. He's sticking to his guns on not subsidising such waste. Gutted as I am as a fan to see Keegan go because of this policy, I can see the logic behind it, in fact the majority of fans used to hammer Shepherd for perpetuating it.

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Ok then we agree that he's no good for the club, but disagree what we can do about him, as no doubt the majority of Newcastle fans.

 

Maybe he could be good for the long term future of the club. We lost £2M in 2005, £15M in 2006 and £33M in 2007.

 

A large part of that is all down to the turnover in managers and the frequent payoffs associated with that alongside the huge cost of the inevitable rebuild. He's sticking to his guns on not subsidising such waste. Gutted as I am as a fan to see Keegan go because of this policy, I can see the logic behind it, in fact the majority of fans used to hammer Shepherd for perpetuating it.

 

Stability only works if we have the right man in place. IMO Keegan was the right man. Ashley has stuck with the right principle but wrong system.

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lol got this in a pm but it's funny enough I think i should share, no doubt pease got the same

 

JohnC really is a moron :icon_lol:

 

If you would like to say these insults in person, I'll be at the Companions club on Saturday - if you don't wish to go there, please let me know where you go for a pint, then we'll discuss it man to man eh????

 

I'm also quite willing to leave you my email address and phone number, so you know exactly who I am - let's hope you are willing to do the same?

 

Jesus christ you are a mong...No bother though i can sort ya out with the details

I normally drink in Katy D's, I'm about 6ft1 with a shaved head and I'm fairly sure theres a pic of me on these forums floating about somewhere,

either way i'm sure you've not heard of that bar Can we guess why?

 

Under normal circumstances i'd be more than happy to slap the head of some internet hardman seeing as I'm not exactly the smallest person in the world.

 

But apparently the Irish Flags, the bit that says Location: Ireland, and the part of my profile that says Ireland etcetc has escaped you

 

;)

 

if anyone else got an offer, another hard knock might undo the damage that already appears to have been done

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lol got this in a pm but it's funny enough I think i should share, no doubt pease got the same

 

JohnC really is a moron :icon_lol:

 

If you would like to say these insults in person, I'll be at the Companions club on Saturday - if you don't wish to go there, please let me know where you go for a pint, then we'll discuss it man to man eh????

 

I'm also quite willing to leave you my email address and phone number, so you know exactly who I am - let's hope you are willing to do the same?

 

Jesus christ you are a mong...No bother though i can sort ya out with the details

I normally drink in Katy D's, I'm about 6ft1 with a shaved head and I'm fairly sure theres a pic of me on these forums floating about somewhere,

either way i'm sure you've not heard of that bar Can we guess why?

 

Under normal circumstances i'd be more than happy to slap the head of some internet hardman seeing as I'm not exactly the smallest person in the world.

 

But apparently the Irish Flags, the bit that says Location: Ireland, and the part of my profile that says Ireland etcetc has escaped you

 

Just put your picture or email me directly and I'll find you you pathetic loser

 

;)

 

if anyone else got an offer, another hard knock might undo the damage that already appears to have been done

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Ant - an insignificant little insect - yep suit's you well.

 

OOH 26 eh you must be proud!!! Maths and spelling may be ok, but your general diction and English is poor. Insults are pretty run of the mill for someone of your (note the correct use) limited intelligence. I'll pm you so you don't get embarrassed by your false bravado.

 

Insults are pretty run of the mill.... you quoted a movie from the 80's as put down, while trying to act hard. ;)

and you calling me thick compounded with the fact you're too dense to pick up on all the flashing signs on a message board pointing to someones location

 

your pm was posted, no false bravado at all, you're (I know how the possessive bit works thanks) a 40+ yr old offering fights on the Internet to someone in a different country...

well done

 

fuck me you still can't even use the quote button....

btw "you you" and having a go at peoples diction :icon_lol:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=t...amp;btnG=Search go forth and use it well.

 

"The Idiots guide on How to make yourself look like a tool in 25 posts or Less - By JohnC"

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lol got this in a pm but it's funny enough I think i should share, no doubt pease got the same

 

JohnC really is a moron :icon_lol:

 

If you would like to say these insults in person, I'll be at the Companions club on Saturday - if you don't wish to go there, please let me know where you go for a pint, then we'll discuss it man to man eh????

 

I'm also quite willing to leave you my email address and phone number, so you know exactly who I am - let's hope you are willing to do the same?

 

Jesus christ you are a mong...No bother though i can sort ya out with the details

I normally drink in Katy D's, I'm about 6ft1 with a shaved head and I'm fairly sure theres a pic of me on these forums floating about somewhere,

either way i'm sure you've not heard of that bar Can we guess why?

 

Under normal circumstances i'd be more than happy to slap the head of some internet hardman seeing as I'm not exactly the smallest person in the world.

 

But apparently the Irish Flags, the bit that says Location: Ireland, and the part of my profile that says Ireland etcetc has escaped you

 

 

Oooh 6 ft 1 in with a shaven head - is that after the lobotomy???? " I'm not the smallest person in the world" What a tool you really are.

 

;)

 

if anyone else got an offer, another hard knock might undo the damage that already appears to have been done

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seriously it's a simple enough concept the quote button...

;) for the people trying to read your drivel in the morning

 

(off to bed now just so you know, if you wanna stay up and work on that Internet stalking, knock yourself out though)

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Ok then we agree that he's no good for the club, but disagree what we can do about him, as no doubt the majority of Newcastle fans.

 

Maybe he could be good for the long term future of the club. We lost £2M in 2005, £15M in 2006 and £33M in 2007.

 

A large part of that is all down to the turnover in managers and the frequent payoffs associated with that alongside the huge cost of the inevitable rebuild. He's sticking to his guns on not subsidising such waste. Gutted as I am as a fan to see Keegan go because of this policy, I can see the logic behind it, in fact the majority of fans used to hammer Shepherd for perpetuating it.

 

Stability only works if we have the right man in place. IMO Keegan was the right man. Ashley has stuck with the right principle but wrong system.

 

Keegan was the right man. But he's not the be all and end all for Newcastle.

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seriously it's a simple enough concept the quote button...

;) for the people trying to read your drivel in the morning

 

(off to bed now just so you know, if you wanna stay up and work on that Internet stalking, knock yourself out though)

Yawn yawn - another hard lad who insists on stating his height you're very boring, tried to be clever and failed, and fairly typical of somebody who is a coward. Everyone else has moved on, but from the back came the usual hold me back lad!!!! Absolutely pathetic loser

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seriously it's a simple enough concept the quote button...

;) for the people trying to read your drivel in the morning

 

(off to bed now just so you know, if you wanna stay up and work on that Internet stalking, knock yourself out though)

Yawn yawn - another hard lad who insists on stating his height you're very boring, tried to be clever and failed, and fairly typical of somebody who is a coward. Everyone else has moved on, but from the back came the usual hold me back lad!!!! Absolutely pathetic loser

 

poor boy are you a short lad then? small man but big net ego complex is it?

i stated my appearance and the bar because thats what you asked me for in your wee love letter :icon_lol:

yeah hold me back... so far back it accounts for hundreds of miles and the Irish sea...

 

well done figuring out the quote system btw

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wait hang on

small man

thinks he's hard

links to newcastle

 

Are you dennis wise?

 

Small man??? - hope to see you at Newcastle some time big lad lol!!!

 

6ft 2 actually - Yes hard man in Ireland - now I understand the aggression ooooh. As I stated we've all moved on, but I'm sure you'd like the last word. Make it clever and funny - not I'm 6 ft 1" with a shaven head hahahahahah - what a total tool

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Firstly I wish was under 21 , but when you've been going for over 40 years it's unlikely ;)

 

Now since you seem to think that you are the Oracle on most stuff, let's look at the whole situation. Ashley will not invest in the club - already stated this - has also ruined yet another season - employed a manager who has won 2 games in 9. Would this sort of ratio get him the sack under normal circumstances - probably for a club with our potential. We now have a sub standard squad, substandard manager and and an owner who won't spend any money. He has also put the future of the club at risk due to his short termism, by letting contracts run down, keeping the players in the dark over his intentions etc.

 

Why would a club valued at £300M by your reckoning attract lower tier investors if it was for sale at £200M. Surely this would attract clever investors. This logic doesn't really work out when you say that the eventual buyer could be anyone. Are yoy now telling me that Ashley has been good for the club in some way??????? You're stretching credulity a long way. What is RISKY for the club is a clown who won't invest any more money, has appointed a Micky Mouse Manager who is merely a puppet who makes increasingly bizarre statements which he then contradicts later.

 

Emotion is always prevalent within football fans - to deride this makes you as usual a patronising prick. Nobody is asking for a supporter to run the club- just someone who has the club's interests at heart - Ashley does not he has own interests at heart. How do you know who the bidder(s) were who failed to match Ashley's price. What is the price - maybe they bid £300M and he wants £350M. How can you say that a new owner will come in and unsettle the side, when the present owner will not put another penny in. Are we going to improve the side with free transfers and loan players, and is JFK the right man based on results alone. If he keeps up this rate of return , we'll get around 40 points - will that be good enough????

 

As for the last bit of guff - people like me blah blah I would say that's the majority of Newcastle fans not the ones who write on blogs/forums or even join NUSC - I could alternatively quite easily say that it's people like you who purport to be the Voice of the Fans who cause more harm by spouting off that a fat bastard like Ashley should be allowed back into St James when he has single handedly put us in this situation in the first place. I would think that you'll find there's a majority who do not want him back under any circumstances. As for people like me threatening the future of the club, go and yank yourself, because I'll still be there along with the vast unspoken majority who do not care to be spken for by apologists or attention seekers. I've no doubt if you were around before WW2, we'd all be speaking German.

 

 

Auf Wiedersehn you tool!

 

You know what, i've met enough people over the age of 50 who should have been neutered at birth to know that age means fuck all. You write like you have the mental age of a 14 year old so forgive me for treating you like that. I also think Ashley has been fucking us over and i'm on record saying that every one of his actions during the first 3 months of his tenure were shit PR stunts. September 2007, on another forum, can link you if you want. Heavily critical until he appointed Keegan. Were you lapping it all up in 2007? Happy to get rid of the other "fat bastard"?

 

I said an opinion was ill-informed and i think i've done a lot to back up that statement without ever dropping to the quite frankly pathetic levels you've displayed in this thread. You've combined personal insults with shit arguments and failed to respond to any of the substantive points that were put to you. 40 years old apparently and acting like a teenager.

 

But i digress from the stupidity of this - "Why would a club valued at £300M by your reckoning attract lower tier investors if it was for sale at £200M. Surely this would attract clever investors". Thats awesome. I mean really fucking out there beyond the world of stupid.

 

If a mars bar is £1,000,000 how many people in the world will be prepared to buy it? If its £0.00001, how many people will be prepared to buy it? Has it sunk in yet? Clever investors would question why an asset is being sold at a discount, so you're basically wrong about that one. There is actually a model that predicts the price of assets based on the financials, so the price being asked for has to be in line with that otherwise no one will even engage with the investment opportunity. You've clearly got all this sussed though tbf.

 

As for me thinking you are being over emotional, if thats patronising, then i'm sorry. As i've said, i think we all need to calm down and reflect on what is best for the long term future of the club, not short-term objectives. This may be a little uncomfortable for a while but i think it will be worth it.

 

Are your views endangering the club? You think not, so explain to me how during this season a change in ownership is going to increase the chances of staying up? What will happen during the next 2 months that will help the club move forward? What is the chain of events you see that means we change the owner and stay in this league? How will the players react to a 4th manager in one season? Are we or are we not a club crying out for stability? You tell me what happens next, as with my understanding of managing teams, i reckon another wholesale change this season will destroy us unless its Father Christmas that takes over.

 

Can you promise that for me? If so, i'll happily join up to your positive action group.

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I still think he's a wum btw.

 

So do I, a shite one seeing as he's got all worked up

 

a very short, 17yr old wum ;)

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nusconline

nusc-online

newcastleunitedsupportersclub

mynusc

 

Any good?

 

Actually, in fairness I probably should have kept my mouth shut. Once my brain caught up I realised that it's not just a case of making a couple of amendments and use a new domain name. All the stuff done around the NUSC to date (links in online articles, newspapers etc) will all use the current domain name.

 

I think I'll take my own advice and STFU :icon_lol:

 

Actually, Maggiespaws, you can still register those particular domain names and have them set as "Park and Points" on your hosting companies Domain Name Servers. That way, you can phase out the current domain name for one that may be a bit easier and more "marketable".

 

Apologies if you already knew this but if not, it may help.

 

Yeah I did know that - it was what I was thinking when I first made the suggestion. Fact is though, I'm not involved in the running of the NUSC - I'm not on the committee or anything. I just helped out getting the Paypal stuff sorted for 'pud. That being said, once my brain caught up I realised it wasn't really my place to suggest 'we' could change the domain name when I'm not really part of the 'we' ;) In fact I almost sent a PM apology to 'pud for suggesting it in the first place but I figured my reply to asprilla sort of explained that.

 

Anyway, you are right in the phasing out, but given the very new status of the NUSC, it could be damaging to change the domain so soon / add another domain - especially as it might cause confusion as to who they are (or if there are two of them). That and the fact that I'm sure someone's £10 membership fee would be better spent on some other aspect of the club than a new domain name.

 

EDIT: Just caught up with the rest of the thread. It's been a little volatile on here hasn't it. Keep your lighters in your pockets boys - the slightest spark could set it off again :icon_lol:

Edited by maggiespaws

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seriously it's a simple enough concept the quote button...

;) for the people trying to read your drivel in the morning

 

(off to bed now just so you know, if you wanna stay up and work on that Internet stalking, knock yourself out though)

Yawn yawn - another hard lad who insists on stating his height you're very boring, tried to be clever and failed, and fairly typical of somebody who is a coward. Everyone else has moved on, but from the back came the usual hold me back lad!!!! Absolutely pathetic loser

 

You're both gayers. :icon_lol:

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I don't think anyone is entirely comfortable with the idea of Ashley sticking around but as some people have already said - it's not like he's going to go anytime soon because of the current climate. I have mixed feelings about all of this - some of which I've voiced in other threads. When Ashley first took over I liked the sound of his business model. We weren't going to go mental and splash £00's of millions but build from the ground up and inject stability - something we have craved for years. Whilst there was never going to be any £37m signings, I thought with Keegan at the helm and a billionaire owner there would be some strong signings and some exciting (if heart/nerves straining) times ahead.

 

Well it's certainly been the latter. The departure of Keegan has blown this whole thing open. It has highlighted Ashley's biggest failing in all of this - his recruitment policy and by that I include Keegan. Keegan's appointment was risky as if it worked - great for everyone. If it didn't the fallout would be massive given Keegan's status in the area - lose situation for MA. He's surrounded himself with the wrong people (Wise et al) and that has led to our current situation. He's made some big mistakes, mistakes which in business cost you and it it has cost him dear. But in business you sometimes make mistakes - especially when you are doing something for the first time. As a manager of a business / investor you need to employ the right people to avoid making those mistakes - that has been one of his problems.

 

Where do we go from here? We've reached a stand off. We support the club but not the management and the man at the top of the tree looks like he's here for a while.

 

In order for him to sell the club it needs to be an attractive proposition. We are sliding down the league and there is the very real possibility of relegation (the unerring optimist in me still says that won't happen). Some of our best players could leave in Jan - further weakening the side and our chances of survival. We need MA to invest in Jan and strengthen the side and that includes keeping some of those players who could be leaving (too late imo). We need him to do what he has said he will not - put more money into a club that wants him out. The bit that will stick in his crop is that I'm sure he realises he will have to do this too if he wants to ever sell us for a profit (no one ion their right mind ever wants to sell something at a loss).

 

I'm going to stick my neck out a little bit and admit something else (something I'm sure I will regret doing). Before anyone else says it - I'm not racist or Xenophobic (although I'm sure some will say it anyway). Part of the reason I liked the fact MA bought us was that he was English. Our club was still being run by an Englishman and not a foreigner and therefore, the income generated would still be in the UK economy and not making it's way over the Atlantic/Baltic Sea/whatever into the hands of a foreign investor. This is the bit I'm really going to regret - part of me (albeit a lot smaller now) still likes that idea.

 

All of that aside, the stand off isn't working. As fans we are all torn as we love the club not what's going on and who is running it. However, if what we are doing isn't working then we need to find something that does.

 

If the NUSC (or whoever) approaching MA and his cronies with an olive branch in an attempt to open dialogue and establish some common ground to move on from; gets on the the path to recovery then fine. It's going to take someone with a bit of balls to swallow some pride and suggest it otherwise where do we go from here?

 

I'm as disillusioned as the next man but the pragmatist in me knows things need to change and we need to at least go halfway. MA is not likely to walk the whole way on his own.

 

Call it an uneasy truce for now?

 

For the record:

I don't trust MA and I hate what he has done.

I want my club back, I want to feel good about it; I want us to be moving forward in a positive manner

 

oh and.....

 

I'm 5'5 1/2 (the half makes a difference you know!)

I'm 31

I'm an exile now living in Manchester

I have messy spikey mousey blond hair

I drink in the Trent when I go to the match

I'm not looking for a fight

 

;)

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Joe Kinnear is banking on Mike Ashley’s millions and a healthy run in the FA Cup to dissipate the gloom that has settled on St James’ Park in recent months. The Newcastle United manager, who met directors this week to discuss his January transfer plans, remains confident that his team can pull away from the foot of the Barclays Premier League, although his optimism comes with a caveat.

 

With Newcastle still up for sale and Kinnear’s first-team squad thin to the point of threadbare, these are challenging and dangerous moments for the club. That was illustrated when the Newcastle United Supporters Club (NUSC), which was formed in the wake of Kevin Keegan’s departure in early September, demanded urgent answers last night from Ashley, the reluctant owner.

 

“I’m still very confident we will not be relegated at the end of the season, but we also know it’s going to be tough for us if we do not strengthen the squad and start getting players back from injury,” Kinnear said. “If we have everyone fit, our first-choice XI would finish in the top half of the table, no problem. On our day, if we have our full team out on the pitch, we are a match for anyone in this league.”

 

Kinnear is happy with the quality of players in his squad, but it is its size and its vulnerability to injuries and suspensions that have given him most cause for concern. “We have had no Nicky Butt and no Danny Guthrie and I have been forced to play people out of position in the middle,” he said. “Throw in the fact that Joey Barton is going to be out for six to eight weeks [with a knee injury] and you have almost a first-choice midfield all out.

 

“Hopefully we will be able to address the problem [the thinness of the squad] in January in the transfer market and we’ll get some better luck on the injury front because it’s been cruel to us recently. There will be money available — it’s just a question of how much.”

 

The league remains Kinnear’s priority because of the club’s position one place above the relegation zone, but he sees the FA Cup as a chance to lighten the mood on Tyneside. “The Cup can have a positive impact and it’s something we will take very seriously in the new year,” he said. “Everybody is pulling in the same direction. We are getting harder to beat and I will demand the very best from everybody.”

 

The NUSC believes that the transfer window will be critical in terms of taking “the necessary action to save Newcastle’s United’s season and save our Premiership status”, but it has had no response in its attempts to engage Ashley in dialogue.

 

“You have said that you will not put any more money into Newcastle United,” the group said in a public statement. “Is that still your position now? You have said that you wish to sell the club, but at the right price. What do you believe to be the ‘right price’ in the event that Newcastle United are relegated?

 

“Why do you refuse to speak to the fans of Newcastle United? Do we not deserve your attention? Are we, in your view, an irrelevance? Urgent action is needed to save our season, and protect our status as a Premiership football club.”

 

Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle5321357.ece

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