Israel continues its merciless pounding of the defenceless.

[Happy Face 29]

Like marine A, i can't believe the public support these loose cannons get for their murders.

[Dr Gloom 19752]

War/terrorism breeds hatred of the other side. I'm sure a lot of people here felt the same about the IRA.

 

Not that that's an excuse. The soldier is a murderer and should be locked up for the full sentence.

[PaddockLad 14534]

An eviction in East Jerusalem lies at the center of a conflict that led to war between Israel and Hamas. But for millions of Palestinians, the routine indignities of occupation are part of daily life.

By David M. Halbfinger and Adam Rasgon

May 22, 2021

JERUSALEM — Muhammad Sandouka built his home in the shadow of the Temple Mount before his second son, now 15, was born.

They demolished it together, after Israeli authorities decided that razing it would improve views of the Old City for tourists.

Mr. Sandouka, 42, a countertop installer, had been at work when an inspector confronted his wife with two options: Tear the house down, or the government would not only level it but also bill the Sandoukas $10,000 for its expenses.

Such is life for Palestinians living under Israel’s occupation: always dreading the knock at the front door.
 

The looming removal of six Palestinian families from their homes in East Jerusalem set off a round of protests that helped ignite the latest war between Israel and Gaza. But to the roughly three million Palestinians living in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Israel captured in the 1967 war and has controlled through decades of failed peace talks, the story was exceptional only because it attracted an international spotlight.

For the most part, they endure the frights and indignities of the Israeli occupation in obscurity.

Even in supposedly quiet periods, when the world is not paying attention, Palestinians from all walks of life routinely experience exasperating impossibilities and petty humiliations, bureaucratic controls that force agonizing choices, and the fragility and cruelty of life under military rule, now in its second half-century.

Underneath that quiet, pressure builds.

If the eviction dispute in East Jerusalem struck a match, the occupation’s provocations ceaselessly pile up dry kindling. They are a constant and key driver of the conflict, giving Hamas an excuse to fire rockets or lone-wolf attackers grievances to channel into killings by knives or automobiles. And the provocations do not stop when the fighting ends.

Home on the Edge

No homeowner welcomes a visit from the code-enforcement officer. But it’s entirely different in East Jerusalem, where Palestinians find it nearly impossible to obtain building permits and most homes were built without them: The penalty is often demolition.

 

Mr. Sandouka grew up just downhill from the Old City’s eastern ramparts, in the valley dividing the Temple Mount from the Mount of Olives.

At 19, he married and moved into an old addition onto his father’s house, then began expanding it. New stone walls tripled the floor area. He laid tile, hung drywall and furnished a cozy kitchen. He spent around $150,000.

Children came, six in all. Ramadan brought picnickers to the green valley. The kids played host, delivering cold water or hot soup. His wife prepared feasts of maqluba (chicken and rice) and mansaf (lamb in yogurt sauce). He walked with his sons up to Al Aqsa, one of Islam’s holiest sites.

In 2016, city workers posted an address marker over Mr. Sandouka’s gate. It felt like legitimation.

But Israel was drifting steadily rightward. The state parks authority fell under the influence of settlers, who seek to expand Jewish control over the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Citing an old plan for a park encircling the Old City, the authority set about clearing one unpermitted house after another.

Now it was Mr. Sandouka’s turn.

Plans showed a corner of the house encroaching on a future tour-bus parking lot.

 

Zeev Hacohen, an authority official, said erasing Mr. Sandouka’s neighborhood was necessary to restore views of the Old City “as they were in the days of the Bible.”

“The personal stories are always painful,” he allowed. But the Palestinian neighborhood, he said, “looks like the Third World.”

Mr. Sandouka hired a lawyer and prayed. But he was at work a few months ago when someone knocked on his door again. This time, his wife told him, crying, it was a police officer.

The Night Raid

The knock at the door is not always just a knock.

Badr Abu Alia, 50, was awakened around 2 a.m. by the sounds of soldiers breaking into his neighbor’s home in Al Mughrayyir, a village on a ridge in the West Bank.

When they got to his door, a familiar ritual ensued: His children were rousted from bed. Everyone was herded outside. The soldiers collected IDs, explained nothing and ransacked the house. They left two hours later, taking with them a teenager from next door, blindfolded.

He had taken part in a protest four days earlier, when an Israeli sniper shot and killed a teenager who was wandering among the rock-throwers and spent tear-gas canisters.

Al Mughrayyir was one of the few villages still mounting regular Friday protests. They began after settlers cut off access to some of the villagers’ farmland. The boy’s death became a new rallying cry.

The army says it raids Palestinian homes at night because it is safer, and ransacks them to search for weapons, in routine crackdowns aimed at keeping militance in check.

But the raids also inspire militance.

Mr. Abu Alia seethed as he described seeing his son outside in the dark, “afraid, crying because of the soldiers, and I can do nothing to protect him.”

“It makes you want to take revenge, to defend yourself,” he went on. “But we have nothing to defend ourselves with.”

Stone-throwing must suffice, he said. “We can’t take an M-16 and go kill every settler. All we have are those stones. A bullet can kill you instantly. A little stone won’t do much. But at least I’m sending a message.”

Settlers send messages, too. They have cut down hundreds of Al Mughrayyir’s olive trees — vital sources of income and ties to the land — torched a mosque, vandalized cars. In 2019, one was accused of fatally shooting a villager in the back. The case remains open.

A Family Divided

For Majeda al-Rajaby the pain of occupation never goes away. It slices straight through her family.

A twice-divorced teacher, Ms. al-Rajaby, 45, is divided from her five children by the different ways Israel treats Palestinians depending on where they are from.

 

She grew up in the West Bank, in Hebron. But both her ex-husbands were Jerusalem residents, allowing them to travel anywhere an Israeli citizen may go. The children were entitled to the blue IDs of Jerusalem residents, too. Hers remained West Bank green.

Both her husbands lived in Shuafat refugee camp, a lawless slum inside the Jerusalem city limits but just outside Israel’s security barrier. West Bankers are not allowed to live there, but the rule is not enforced.

She had thought she was marrying up. Instead, she said her husbands “always made me feel inferior.”

 

After the second divorce, she was left on her own, with her green ID, to raise all five children with their blue IDs. The distinction could be life-threatening.

When a daughter accidentally inhaled housecleaning chemicals, Ms. al-Rajaby tried to race her to the closest hospital, in Jerusalem. Soldiers refused to let her in. As a teacher in Shuafat, she had a permit to enter Jerusalem, but only until 7 p.m. It was 8:00.

Her children are older now, but the distinction is just as keenly felt: Ms. al-Rajaby allows herself to be excluded from joyful moments and rites of passage so her children can enjoy advantages unavailable to her.

She stays behind on the Palestinian side of the security barrier while they head off to Jaffa or Haifa, or on shortcuts to Hebron through Jerusalem, a route forbidden to her. “West Banker,” they tease her, waving goodbye.

One daughter is 21 now and engaged and goes on jaunts into Israel with her fiancé’s mother. “I should be with them,” Ms. al-Rajaby said.

Last summer, Ms. al-Rajaby moved out of Shuafat to a safer neighborhood just outside the Jerusalem city limits, in the West Bank. That means her children could lose their blue IDs if Israel determined that their primary residence was with her.

“I’m not allowed to live there,” she said of Shuafat, “and my daughters are not allowed to live here.”

Constrained as she is, Ms. al-Rajaby wants even more for her children than freedom to move about Israel.

In 2006, her daughter Rana, then 7, was burned in a cooking accident. An Italian charity paid for treatment at a hospital in Padua. Mother and child stayed for three months.

The experience opened Ms. al-Rajaby’s eyes. She saw green parks, children in nice clothes, women driving cars.

“It was the moment of my liberation,” she said. “I started thinking: ‘Why do they have this? Why don’t we?’”

Today, she urges all her children to see the world, and holds out hope that they might emigrate.

“Why,” she asked, “should someone keep living under the mercy of people who have no mercy?”

Working for the Occupation

Try as they might to make their accommodations with Israel, Palestinians often find themselves caught in the occupation’s gears.

Majed Omar once earned a good living as a construction worker inside Israel. But in 2013, his younger brother was spotted crossing through a gap in Israel’s security barrier. A soldier shot him in the leg.

Mr. Omar, 45, was collateral damage. Israel revoked his work permit just in case he had ideas about taking revenge — something Israel says happens too often.

He sat unemployed for 14 months. When Israel reissued his permit, it only allowed him to work in the fast-growing West Bank settlements, where workers are paid half as much, searched each morning and supervised by armed guards all day.

 

Which is how he came to be the foreman on a crew that remodels Jewish homes and expands Israeli buildings on land the Palestinians have long demanded as part of their hoped-for state.

In a small way, it’s like digging his own grave, Mr. Omar said. “But we’re living in a time when everyone sees what’s wrong and still does it.”

The Checkpoint

Violence is often sudden and brief. But the nagging dread it instills can be just as debilitating.

Nael al-Azza, 40, is haunted by the Israeli checkpoint he must pass through while commuting between his home in Bethlehem and his job in Ramallah.

At home, he lives behind walls and cultivates a lush herb and vegetable garden in the backyard. But nothing protects him on his drive to work, not even his position as a manager in the Palestinian firefighting and ambulance service.

Recently, he said, a soldier at the checkpoint stopped him, told him to roll down his window, asked if he had a weapon. He said no. She opened his passenger door to take a look, then slammed it shut, hard.

He wanted to object. But he stopped himself, he said: Too many confrontations with soldiers end with Palestinians being shot.

“If I want to defend my property and my self-respect, there’s a price for that,” he said.

 

His commute is a 14-mile trip as the crow flies, but a 33-mile route, because Palestinians are diverted in a wide loop around Jerusalem along a tortuous two-lane road of steep switchbacks. Even so, it ought to take less an hour — but often takes two or three, because of the checkpoint.

The Israelis consider the checkpoint essential to search for fleeing attackers or illegal weapons or to cut the West Bank in two in case of unrest. Palestinians call it a choke point that can be shut off on a soldier’s whim. It is also a friction point, motorists and soldiers each imagining themselves as the other’s target.

Idling and inching along, Mr. al-Azza compared traffic to blood flow. Searching one car can mean an hour’s delay. The soldiers are so young, he said, “They don’t feel the weight of stopping 5,000 cars.”

He thinks only of those delayed. “When they impede your movement and cause you to fail at your job, you feel like you’ve lost your value and meaning,” he said.

A few nights each week, delays force him to sleep at work and settle for video calls with his three children.

On weekend outings, the checkpoint takes a different toll on his family.

“I try to keep my kids from speaking about the conflict,” he said. “But they see and experience things I have no answer for. When we’re driving, we turn the music on. But when we reach the checkpoint, I turn it off. I don’t know why. I’ll see them in the mirror: All of a sudden, they sit upright and look anxious — until we cross and I turn the music back on.”

 

Deadly scenarios constantly play out in Mr. al-Azza’s head: What if a tire blew out or his engine stalled? What if a young soldier, trained to respond instantly, misconstrued it as a threat?

“It’s not possible to put it out of mind,” he said. “When you’re hungry, you think about food.”

In the Bubble

No Palestinian is insulated from the occupation’s reach — not even in the well-to-do, privileged “bubble” of Ramallah, where Israeli soldiers are seldom seen.

Everyone Sondos Mleitat knows bears the scars of some trauma. Her own: Hiding with her little brother, then 5, when Israeli tanks rolled into Nablus, where she was raised.

In the dark, she said, he pulled all his eyelashes out, one by one.

Today, Ms. Mleitat, 30, runs a website connecting Palestinians with psychotherapists.

Instead of reckoning with their lingering wounds, she said, people seek safety in social conformity, in religion, in the approval gleaned from Facebook and Instagram likes. But all of those, she said, only reinforce the occupation’s suffocating effects.

“This is all about control,” she said. “People are going through a type of taming or domestication. They just surrender to it and feel they can’t change anything.”

After her uncle was killed by Israeli soldiers at a protest, she said, his younger brother was pushed into marriage at 18 “to protect him from going down the same path.”

But a nation of people who reach adulthood thinking only about settling down, she said, is not a nation that will achieve independence.

“They think they’re getting out of this bubble, but they’re not,” she said.

 

Homeless

Mr. Sandouka earns about $1,800 in a good month. He hoped the lawyer could quash the demolition order. “I thought they would just give us a fine,” he said.

Then he got another panicked call from home: “The police were there, making my family cry.”

Khalas, he said, enough. He would tear it down himself.

Early on a Monday, his sons took turns with a borrowed jackhammer. They almost seemed to be having fun, like wrecking a sand castle.

Finished, their moods darkened. “It’s like we’re lighting ourselves on fire,” said Mousa, 15.

“They want the land,” said Muataz, 22. “They want all of us to leave Jerusalem.”

In 2020, 119 Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem were demolished, 79 of them by their owners.

When all was rubble, Mr. Sandouka lit a cigarette and held it with three beefy fingers as it burned. His pants filthy with the dust of his family’s life together, he climbed atop the debris, sent photos to the police and contemplated his options.

 

Moving to the West Bank, and sacrificing Jerusalem residency, was unthinkable. Moving elsewhere in Jerusalem was unaffordable.

A friend offered a couple of spare rooms as a temporary refuge. Mr. Sandouka’s wife demanded permanency.

“She told me if I don’t buy her a home, that’s it — everyone can go their separate ways,” he said.

He turned his eyes uphill toward the Old City.

“These people work little by little,” he said. “It’s like a lion that eats one, and then another. It eventually eats everything around it.”

[Rayvin 4949]

Thanks for sharing that. For all we can criticise Hamas for the part they play in perpetuating the cycle of violence, I do sometimes wonder if we wouldn't be doing the same and worse if what had happened to Palestine had happened to us. Absolutely hopeless state of affairs for the Palestinian people, they're being persecuted just for being alive.

[Dr Gloom 19752]

On 23/05/2021 at 09:18, Rayvin said:

Thanks for sharing that. For all we can criticise Hamas for the part they play in perpetuating the cycle of violence, I do sometimes wonder if we wouldn't be doing the same and worse if what had happened to Palestine had happened to us. Absolutely hopeless state of affairs for the Palestinian people, they're being persecuted just for being alive.

it is hopeless as long as hamas and netanyahu are in charge. 

[NJS 3960]

Are their any parties on either side offering compromise and reconciliation and do they have any support? 

[Dr Gloom 19752]

the pictures from the air strikes in gaza were heart-breaking - absolutely appalling - and it is just as infuriating as the continued support for settlements and the despicable evictions in east jerusalem and the west bank.

if only we had israeli and palestinian leaders who believed in a two state solution. israel's actions don't do jewish people around the world any favours whatsoever - see thread on rising antisemitic attacks below - while the firing of rockets at civilians by hamas only makes netanyahu more powerful, with scared israeli voters, which is exactly what he wanted from all of this when he is really on the ropes politically. 

 

[Dr Gloom 19752]

7 minutes ago, NJS said:

Are their any parties on either side offering compromise and reconciliation and do they have any support? 

yes, but they can't form a government, nor can netanyahu, which i think is what is ultimately behind this latest military escalation.

of course there are moderates on the palestinian side who also want to see an end to the fighting but their lives are shit, they live in occupied territories and sadly, this latest conflict also plays into the hands of hamas, which does not want a two state solution either. 

[Rayvin 4949]

It is incredibly important that we continue to identify that on the Israeli side of this, the actors in favour of continued aggression are Israeli politicians, and not "the Jews". In the same way that on the other side we consider that Hamas are Palestinian politicians, and not "the Muslims".

 

I'm sure I saw something in the news the other day about people in London driving around and yelling antimisemitic nonsense. How is that helping, seriously.

 

It does need to be a combined solution, and IMO that should mean all citizens as equals, all voting freely, combined Israeli/Palestinian parliament, etc. Let people get on with their lives and relegate the whole issue to history.

Edited May 24, 2021 by Rayvin

[The Fish 8957]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

It is incredibly important that we continue to identify that on the Israeli side of this, the actors in favour of continued aggression are Israeli politicians, and not "the Jews". In the same way that on the other side we consider that Hamas are Palestinian politicians, and not "the Muslims".

 

I'm sure I saw something in the news the other day about people in London driving around and yelling antimisemitic nonsense. How is that helping, seriously.

 

It does need to be a combined solution, and IMO that should mean all citizens as equals, all voting freely, combined Israeli/Palestinian parliament, etc. Let people get on with their lives and relegate the whole issue to history.

I'm not sure those people are remotely interested in 'helping', probably more focused on 'winning'.

[Dr Gloom 19752]

6 hours ago, Rayvin said:

It is incredibly important that we continue to identify that on the Israeli side of this, the actors in favour of continued aggression are Israeli politicians, and not "the Jews". In the same way that on the other side we consider that Hamas are Palestinian politicians, and not "the Muslims".

 

I'm sure I saw something in the news the other day about people in London driving around and yelling antimisemitic nonsense. How is that helping, seriously.

 

It does need to be a combined solution, and IMO that should mean all citizens as equals, all voting freely, combined Israeli/Palestinian parliament, etc. Let people get on with their lives and relegate the whole issue to history.

It’s a nice idea but I think a one state solution is fantasy. And a two state solution, while the more feasible option, won’t work unless Israel withdraws from East Jerusalem and other occupied areas east of East Jerusalem, evicting settlers along the way (not happening while Bibi is around). It also requires the Palestinian leadership to recognise Israel’s right to exist (no chance under Hamas). 

The tragic thing is there is a majority of support from Israelis and Palestinians for the two state solution based on the 1967 borders (or that at least used to be the case - I’m not sure if public opinion has shifted since the latest round of senseless killing).

It’s a desirable outcome - two independent sovereign states, coexisting in peace. The problem is the dickheads on both sides will never accept it. 

It’s a terrible, terrible mess. 

[Dr Gloom 19752]

On 03/11/2009 at 12:42, Park Life said:

 

I would nuke Israel without a moments hesitation. This place and the diaspora of its people is the cause of nearly every single problem on this planet. If the anti-christ came I bet he w2ould be Jewish.

oooof 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Yet I got banned for baiting leazesmag

[Dr Gloom 19752]

On 30/12/2008 at 16:47, TheMoog said:

Gotta feel for the Palestinians, shat on and nobody cares or is willing to say anything against the Jews - Jew are like the world's scousers, they think the world owes them but basically they're a bunch of cunts

yikes

[Dr Gloom 19752]

On 06/01/2009 at 18:51, Guest Stevie said:

The Israeli's are scum. They've just had this total cunt of a military woman ITV there with her big jewish nose, trying to justify the fact that they bombed and killed 30 people in a school within a refugee camp. Apparently two Hamas operatives were within this camp, and that she said justified the attack, in a fuckin UN refugee camp, where people are cowering for their lives, they are scum, nothing but scum. They're as bad as muslim terrorists. I'm no fan of arabs and these persian cunts in Iran, but I tell you what it is seeing that on the telly there tonight, KNOWING FOR A FACT they'd kill scores of innocents, while not condoning it in any way shape or form, you can begin to understand the lengths these persecuted cunts go to. Gordon Brown says next to fuck all, America will say fuck all, Israel and jews have a massive part in the monetary system we are all slaves to, and every cunts frightened of this bullying pathetic little state which shouldn't even exist in it's present form.

stupid woman with her big jew nose

i blame the jews and the monetary system we are all slaves to

[Rayvin 4949]

So you went from all that kind of rhetoric to me not picking up on antisemitism in a mural that depicted rich people oppressing the world  I think it's safe to say that I'm not in that bracket

 

I've had a read through this and can see the consistency of your arguments here over the years, which indicates obviously it's something you feel strongly about. Good points too, interesting to re-read. Can also see my own which I would say are a little more nuanced now in the sense of having a broader understanding of the issue than I once did. I still basically feel the same way though, and blame Western imperialism for having gotten us to where we are.

Edited May 25, 2021 by Rayvin

[The Fish 8957]

6 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

So you went from all that kind of rhetoric to me not picking up on antisemitism in a mural that depicted rich people oppressing the world  I think it's safe to say that I'm not in that bracket

 

I've had a read through this and can see the consistency of your arguments here over the years, which indicates obviously it's something you feel strongly about. Good points too, interesting to re-read. Can also see my own which I would say are a little more nuanced now in the sense of having a broader understanding of the issue than I once did. I still broadly feel the same way though, and blame Western imperialism for having gotten us to where we are.

 

Pretty reasonable in most conversations.

[Monkeys Fist 38622]

44 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

stupid woman with her big jew nose

i blame the jews and the monetary system we are all slaves to

He’s not a racist though, loves the puffs too. 

[Dr Gloom 19752]

19 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

So you went from all that kind of rhetoric to me not picking up on antisemitism in a mural that depicted rich people oppressing the world  I think it's safe to say that I'm not in that bracket

 

I've had a read through this and can see the consistency of your arguments here over the years, which indicates obviously it's something you feel strongly about. Good points too, interesting to re-read. Can also see my own which I would say are a little more nuanced now in the sense of having a broader understanding of the issue than I once did. I still broadly feel the same way though, and blame Western imperialism for having gotten us to where we are.

absolutely not!  

i re-read the thread late last night and was amazed at the amount of casual antisemitism and the fact that literally no one picks up on any of it - I include myself there (but then i've always been a self-loathing jew)

i think one positive thing to come out of the corbyn disaster is israel's critics are now less likely to tolerate that kind of language. 

i agree about western imperialism causing so many problems and wars around the world. funny the one that we like to complain about most is the one that involves jews but obviously i would notice that as we are the world's scousers  

Edited May 25, 2021 by Dr Gloom

[Gemmill 34207]

"merciless pounding of the defenceless" sounds absolutely filthy. 

[Dr Gloom 19752]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

"merciless pounding of the defenceless" sounds absolutely filthy. 

bit rapey 

[Renton 17658]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

"merciless pounding of the defenceless" sounds absolutely filthy. 

 

Yeah, I have to remove that from my nightly search engine results too. 

[Rayvin 4949]

5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

absolutely not!  

i re-read the thread late last night and was amazed at the amount of casual antisemitism and the fact that literally no one picks up on any of it - I include myself there (but then i've always been a self-loathing jew)

i think one positive thing to come out of the corbyn disaster is israel's critics are now less likely to tolerate that kind of language. 

i agree about western imperialism causing so many problems and wars around the world. funny the one that we like to complain about most is the one that involves jews but then we are the world's scousers  

 

I am wondering if woke culture has also contributed. I was surprised to see HF basically ignore those comments from Parky and I feel like overall we might have been pushed towards greater sensitivity in language choices over the past ten years, across the board.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Personally I think Gloom is owed an apology off Rayvin

[ewerk 26193]

16 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

He’s not a racist though, loves the puffs too. 

In fairness are you racist if you hate all races?