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On 17/08/2019 at 20:02, trooper said:

After 2 games of the season we get this little gem from Bruce

"Our objective is to stay up. The Premier League is getting harder and harder every season."

 

See, it's this dross that underlines his unsuitability. This squad wasn't just "staying up" last year. It was competent. So Bruce's plan and expectation is basically that he won't be as good as Rafa, so all we can hope for is that he's not so much worse that we go down.

 

So he doesn't even rate himself.

 

And the PL hasn't become harder. We've spent so much that it should actually be easier for us this year.

 

The man is a complete waste of space.

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Rafa said last year that it would be a miracle if we stayed up but I didn't hear you giving him the same shit?

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Just now, ewerk said:

Rafa said last year that it would be a miracle if we stayed up but I didn't hear you giving him the same shit?

 

I like Rafa. I dont like Bruce.

 

If you want me to be endlessly objective and impartial, go to the politics threads ;)

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The reality is that the objective is to stay up. The aim is never going to be any more ambitious under Mike Ashley. The baffling thing seems to be that the appointment of Bruce doesn't appear to be matching of that aim.

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12 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

See, it's this dross that underlines his unsuitability. This squad wasn't just "staying up" last year. It was competent. So Bruce's plan and expectation is basically that he won't be as good as Rafa, so all we can hope for is that he's not so much worse that we go down.

 

So he doesn't even rate himself.

 

And the PL hasn't become harder. We've spent so much that it should actually be easier for us this year.

 

The man is a complete waste of space.

 

 

Have we? I mean, we're bottom half in net spend table. And of course losing Rondon isn't reflected in that figure either.

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I feel like if you look at just the money, the squad should be stronger on paper. 

 

I don't know or care really, I doubt the league is any tougher this year than it was last year by any objective measure. Losing Rondon is a self inflicted injury but I suppose that's not Bruce's fault.

 

What is his fault is that he joined a club that had just gouged out its forward line and replaced it with a guy who scored 7 goals last season.

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9 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

I feel like if you look at just the money, the squad should be stronger on paper. 

 

I don't know or care really, I doubt the league is any tougher this year than it was last year by any objective measure. Losing Rondon is a self inflicted injury but I suppose that's not Bruce's fault.

 

What is his fault is that he joined a club that had just gouged out its forward line and replaced it with a guy who scored 7 goals last season.

 

But looking at just money other clubs team will be stronger too, is the point. So how can that not make the league tougher?

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The buck stops with Bruce. Regardless of the way Ashley runs the club, he’s given Bruce replacements, with Carrol, Joelimping, Gayle, Almiron, Maxim, Muto.. he has more choice up front than Rafa ever had (quality argument aside).. and the rest of the team Rafa organised them enough to be a tough unit to crack. If he can’t manage to make us “hard to beat” at the very least with the tools he has available.. then it’s confirmed.. he’s fucking shite.. (which is plainly apparent). 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

Rafa said it would be a miracle to stay up off the back of a summer with no money spent. Bruce has had 70 million, what’s his excuse?

I doubt Bruce had a say in any signing TBF. 

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A few weeks ago most of the bookies had us down as mid table finishers. Now 2 games with Bruce in charge we have become favourites for relegation now.

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3 hours ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

But looking at just money other clubs team will be stronger too, is the point. So how can that not make the league tougher?

 

I think a lot of teams spend money to stand still. Is our team better than last year? We spent plenty.

 

If you think Bruce is right and he's got a tougher job on his hands than Rafa then fair enough, guess he's due patience and sympathy then.

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27 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I think a lot of teams spend money to stand still. Is our team better than last year? We spent plenty.

 

If you think Bruce is right and he's got a tougher job on his hands than Rafa then fair enough, guess he's due patience and sympathy then.

 

Spent plenty but sold plenty though. I don't get why you think we should have a better squad for our modest spending but others with similar spends have stood still. I also don't understand why others would need to spend to stand still if the league isn't any tougher.

 

I think Bruce has a worse squad personally. I think we've replaced departing players poorly. But that doesn't mean Bruce is due patience because he doesn't have any ability or talent and shouldn't be in the job regardless. No sympathy either because he knew what he was signing up for.

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18 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Spent plenty but sold plenty though. I don't get why you think we should have a better squad for our modest spending but others with similar spends have stood still. I also don't understand why others would need to spend to stand still if the league isn't any tougher.

 

I think Bruce has a worse squad personally. I think we've replaced departing players poorly. But that doesn't mean Bruce is due patience because he doesn't have any ability or talent and shouldn't be in the job regardless. No sympathy either because he knew what he was signing up for.

 

I don't really understand what you're arguing with me for then because i said the last bit two posts back.

 

But if you want me to concede that the league is tougher this year so his job is harder than Rafa's, I'm not sure we have the data to determine that. We may well be worse, but I'm not sure the league gets better and better each year.

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9 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I don't really understand what you're arguing with me for then because i said the last bit two posts back.

 

But if you want me to concede that the league is tougher this year so his job is harder than Rafa's, I'm not sure we have the data to determine that. We may well be worse, but I'm not sure the league gets better and better each year.

 

Well because you concluded that the squad should be better because we'd spent some money. That should therefore be applied to the other teams in the league that spent some money? 

 

I object to your line that we've spent so much that it should be easier this year. We've spent a very average net amount

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What we are witnessing is intense and emotional confirmation bias - the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories. 

How dare the supporters who didn't want Bruce use an abject defeat to newly promoted Norwich to reinforce their view that Steve Bruce is a shite manager.

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6 hours ago, ewerk said:

The reality is that the objective is to stay up. The aim is never going to be any more ambitious under Mike Ashley. The baffling thing seems to be that the appointment of Bruce doesn't appear to be matching of that aim.

 

Ashley is a chancer and the Bruce appointment sums it up.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, ewerk said:

How dare the supporters who didn't want Bruce use an abject defeat to newly promoted Norwich to reinforce their view that Steve Bruce is a shite manager.

Judging by this the appointment of Bruce was a clever thing. I wonder if any other manager who wasn’t as much of a friend with the journalists covering football in the North East plus Alan Shearer would be able to deflect as much of the criticism for the appointment and treatment of Benitez and the fans.

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