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I've still got the video somewhere as well that my granda recorded live on Tyne Tees of the promotion parade starting at Gosforth too.

 

I must get that ripped to DVD at some point.

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I'm not an aggressive kid, but on Saturday night after the Norwich game I was in the pub, and this kid who is an acquaintance but no more, started slagging Keegan off. "Keegan is partly to blame for our position now", I had to walk out the pub, I was fantasising about doing what Begbie did in that pub in London, I just had to walk away.

 

This kid is 34 so there's nee excuses, but I find that a lot of kids under 30 don't have enough respect for Keegan. Newcastle-Online lot used to be a lot like this, for what he did for this football club, putting us back on the map in 1992, in a way no one else could, he should command the highest respect of any person who's ever been involved in sport. His love of Newcastle United is unrivalled and the people who were touched by the magnificence of him as a player, or my generation as a manager and ambassador for NUFC and the North East of England will regard him as number one forever.

 

However, you see little arseholes all of the time, clever little shites 18 to 29 slagging him off for a variety of things. They should be shot with shite the lot of them, and it's refreshing when you see younger kids like Jonny with such high regard for him.

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I remember a couple of my mates who think as highly of the man as I do questioning him over the 2008 walkout saying he should have stayed and worked it out - I told them to wait for the compo trial and fair enough they told me they'd been wrong for doubting him.

 

I've said before the double edged sword for me was his last comeback restarted the flame of my love for football which was barely fluttering at the time but sadly how it ended had the result of pissing all over that - not because of him directly but because of how it showed up how shit football has become since he left in 97.

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I'm not an aggressive kid, but on Saturday night after the Norwich game I was in the pub, and this kid who is an acquaintance but no more, started slagging Keegan off. "Keegan is partly to blame for our position now", I had to walk out the pub, I was fantasising about doing what Begbie did in that pub in London, I just had to walk away.

 

This kid is 34 so there's nee excuses, but I find that a lot of kids under 30 don't have enough respect for Keegan. Newcastle-Online lot used to be a lot like this, for what he did for this football club, putting us back on the map in 1992, in a way no one else could, he should command the highest respect of any person who's ever been involved in sport. His love of Newcastle United is unrivalled and the people who were touched by the magnificence of him as a player, or my generation as a manager and ambassador for NUFC and the North East of England will regard him as number one forever.

 

However, you see little arseholes all of the time, clever little shites 18 to 29 slagging him off for a variety of things. They should be shot with shite the lot of them, and it's refreshing when you see younger kids like Jonny with such high regard for him.

 

Quite honoured that you've called me a younger kid. ;):lol:

 

He will always be my number one footballing hero for what he did for us. I count myself extremely lucky that I grew up at a time period when me getting into football coincided with Keegan's first spell in charge of us. It was an absolute privilege not just to watch us but to know such a man was associated with us at the time.

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Did more for this club than any other - yes

 

A hero when he was here - yes (amongst many others over time)

 

Still here - no

 

Turn the page - yes (long time ago)

 

Next ..........................

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Did more for this club than any other - yes

 

A hero when he was here - yes (amongst many others over time)

 

Still here - no

 

Turn the page - yes (long time ago)

 

Next ..........................

 

Due to our current state of affairs I think there's nothing better than to bring out some good old feelings of nostalgia. That's why I created the other thread too. :up:

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Due to our current state of affairs I think there's nothing better than to bring out some good old feelings of nostalgia. That's why I created the other thread too. :up:

 

Quite right too. Watching the vids gave me a warm feeling remembering how popular the players ALL were too.

 

Do kids still hero worship our players like that or are they as jaded as me about the pricks we put out every week?....and that's the good ones :D

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Due to our current state of affairs I think there's nothing better than to bring out some good old feelings of nostalgia. That's why I created the other thread too. :up:

 

I loved John Tudor, I was also gutted (as a bairn can be) when we sold Pop Robson

 

My problem with the "Keegan love" is that it was an exceptional period, sadly never quite properly capatalised on and never quite as good as Shankly or Clough's works at the Scouse or Forest for example (and neither of them are in the same league as SAF and Man U, who I can remember relegated).

 

Yeah they were good times (for NUFC fans) but they still hang over us like a sword, they were "exceptional" times not "normal" times, they showed (to everyone's great surprise) what could be (nearly but not quite) at the time, those times have changed forever, getting back anywhere close is going to be a long haul (if it's even possible).

 

Half our problem is the Keegan times (first time as manager) turned us around at break-neck speed from virtually nothing, to contenders, like most other false dawn's (few and far between) we couldn't sustain it. In my lifetime, it's the first time we were even "close". I think that is part of our problem now, we expect it to turn around too quickly (or we think it can be done quickly) and the game has irrevocably changed (unless FFP is a shiny knight of justice).

 

Throughout the Keegan years I always said to my lads (mid/late twenties now) "this isn't the real Newcastle, never forget that" it was a glimpse of what we could be, not what we are. Thankfully we've not fallen as far as a Notts (sorry Cloughie) Forest, for example, have.

 

Our current state of affairs is nothing like the worst we've been through, it's still, even now by comparison, pretty damn good. The nostalgia just makes the now seem worse. Turn the page.

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I'll bet you're first on the list of all your mate's party's Toonpack.

 

I am, I am an extremely jocular chap because I don't dwell on stuff, take it for what it is/was and move on.

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Did more for this club than any other - yes

 

A hero when he was here - yes (amongst many others over time)

 

Still here - no

 

Turn the page - yes (long time ago)

 

Next ..........................

Pipe down - yes (immediately)

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You're too old for this type of thing, and you're clearly not young at heart.

 

Well there's the internet me and then there's the "real" me ;)

 

Of course many of my football views are the real me, but given football isn't that much to me anymore, (can still screw my weekend to a point) I suppose to those who still care a whole lot my somewhat maudlin, at times, views would appear to be depressing if spoken by someone who cared much. It's just what I think, wouldn't place any strong emotion to it.

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You must not turn pages on history. History is to learn from, not to forget about.

 

The Keegan times weren’t just an exception but an example of what you can achieve if you get the place buzzing. That’s why Ashley was right to appoint Keegan again – and it was his biggest mistake to piss him off. Ashley and Llambias still seem to have neither a clue about football nor the club they own/run. They chose that it is more important to try to get the finances right by selling tacky stuff via the club shop, the name of the stadium or piss off club legends than to care about the history of the club. That’s where I think they are totally wrong, because it is something you can achieve even without paying over the odds but by just have a philosophy that matches the club.

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You must not turn pages on history. History is to learn from, not to forget about.

 

The Keegan times weren’t just an exception but an example of what you can achieve if you get the place buzzing. That’s why Ashley was right to appoint Keegan again – and it was his biggest mistake to piss him off. Ashley and Llambias still seem to have neither a clue about football nor the club they own/run. They chose that it is more important to try to get the finances right by selling tacky stuff via the club shop, the name of the stadium or piss off club legends than to care about the history of the club. That’s where I think they are totally wrong, because it is something you can achieve even without paying over the odds but by just have a philosophy that matches the club.

 

Good points Isegrim. Good to see you back on here.

 

What's the thoughts in Germany about Guardiola going to Bayern? They have the money and means to dominate European football now I think.

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You must not turn pages on history. History is to learn from, not to forget about.

 

The Keegan times weren’t just an exception but an example of what you can achieve if you get the place buzzing. That’s why Ashley was right to appoint Keegan again – and it was his biggest mistake to piss him off. Ashley and Llambias still seem to have neither a clue about football nor the club they own/run. They chose that it is more important to try to get the finances right by selling tacky stuff via the club shop, the name of the stadium or piss off club legends than to care about the history of the club. That’s where I think they are totally wrong, because it is something you can achieve even without paying over the odds but by just have a philosophy that matches the club.

 

Yes exceptional times and an exceptional man, an absolute legend of the club and my ultimate sporting hero. I would have him back here as manager in an instant.

 

He was aware of the great potential of the club and he had the ambition and the backing to realise that potential

 

The way he was treated by Ashley was unforgiveable

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I posted this on NO yesterday which I suppose half ties in with the KK stuff, but it's my views on football in general at the mo (long post) :

 

After having a fair few hours to reflect on today, it's confirmed a lot of things for me.

 

Before I go on, this isn't a whinge saying how i've fallen out of love with NUFC. I very much love my club, our club, and I always will. But, to quote Sir Bobby, what is a club in any case? The noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. I feel a lot of these are on the wane for our once great club. 

 

I've been considering over the past few weeks just what is wrong with football. It's hard to put your finger on it.

 

The best way to start I reckon is to think 'what made me like football in the first place?'. As a youngster who was born into a family where football was much of a non event (my dad had never been to a game and, bizarrly, my mum had only been to one game – an away game at Chelsea in the 70s I believe). I, like many kids in the 90s, got into football on the playground. The 'jumpers for goalposts', using 'numbers' to pick teams over school dinner, hoping for the best player in the school to be on your team type of game. Personally I was always the goalkeeper. I don't know why I chose that position, but over a number of years I actually got decent there. Plus, i'm cack outfield.

 

The game grew on me, as you'd expect, because I enjoyed playing it. That got me into watching it. Unfortunately, just as I was really getting used to playing daily over lunchtime my folks upped sticks, I was taken out of John Vianney school and taken down to Kettering. At this age I wasn't that much into NUFC as it's more about the playground, so being a young Geordie lad down south isn't easy and I suppose it could have gone one of two ways when I moved there. It would either be i'd join the ranks of the local glory hunters, being a Man U, Liverpool or Arsenal fan at the time, or I could be the polar opposite and, despite my young age, stick firmly to my roots. At this age it was firmly in the time where we were in the prime of Rob Lee, Beardsley was in the twilight of his career, Sir Les was snapped up, Ginola and Barton came in. I went to a pre season friendly down there, Rushden and Diamonds vs NUFC, pretty sure we won 3-1 but if someone could confirm that it would be nice......

 

I was hooked. I looked at the Newcastle side and even as a schoolboy I could tell we were 'different' to other clubs. We were special. The type of football we played was like having 11 of the 'best kid in the school' playing for us. So fluid, exciting and entertaining. So Keegan. The noise from 36,610 inside SJP was deafening, even as I listened to the 5-0 on the radio. There was a magic about NUFC and, dare I say it, football in general? Euro 96 had the nation all together as one and, a much as you hated them, you had a lot of respect for the other teams around us. So, all in all, the entertainment and the pride of where I was from, who I was, was what made me love football. All summed up by Bobby's quote. Even though I was an 8 year old kid living 200 miles from NE1, I was part of the club. A club that was built on the beliefs that it's sole purpose was to entertain it's adoring fans.

 

Fast forward 18 years and we're unrecognisable. Often at work people tell me how much of a joke NUFC are and I will defend us to the hilt. “Who else would get 52k with no trophies for 50 years”, “i'll think of you when i'm on my eurpean tour', 'youd dream of having players like ben arfa and Cabaye'. It's an assumed duty to be defensive about your club. It's the classic thing of we can slag them off, but if someone else does then we'll defend them. The sad facts are that, save for a couple of magical years under Bobby and riding a crest of a wave under Pardew last year, we've been on the decline since 1996. We've 'expanded' as a club, got a bigger stadium, more globally recognised. But IMO we're 1/10th of the club we were back then. The whole ethos of the club has changed. I genuinely believe when we had Shepherd he wanted the team to do well. Yes, he was a fucking idiot with his comments, decision making and crazy signings, but I think he wanted us to do well. He was just a buffoon who was steadily taking us down.

 

Ashley came in as the big geezer, splashing the cash on a load of big signings, and trying to be the hero by bringing in Keegan. I actually think that could have been a masterstroke. When Keegan came back he brought a buzz that hadn't been here for years, and I think he could have taken us back to being a regular top 6 side, even without the money to spend. Keegan was special, and  honesty feel guilty when some of our younger fans slate him. They don't appreciate what he did for us in the 90s. It's not their fault they don't understand, but sometimes I find myself resenting them. How dare they slate him? The very man who gave us the opportunity to become something special.

 

It was a sad day when he left under such a cloud. My club and my hero at legal loggerheads was hard to take and that took a lot out of me that season, so half an eye was taken off relegation. It almost paled into insignificance for me. Football, for me, is about heroes. It's about your Gazzas, Shearers, Bobby Lee's, Bobby Robsons, and Keegans. Hell, even your Laurent Roberts, Ben Arfas and Nobby Solanos. It's about grafting your arse off all week so that you have the cash to spend on going to be entertained. It's not about winning, if anyone supports NUFC because they want us to win trophies, then you're supporting the wrong team. Winning games is great. Dont be fooled by the media bollocks of “we'd rather lose 4-3 than win 1-0' because we wouldn't. It's bollocks.

 

I suppose that's where I get round to today. If we were given that choice of the 1-0 win i'd be delighted, but I want us to do it in the right way. I don't want to be one nil up against fucking Reading and sub off our only two attacking midfielders and end up with FOUR defensive midfielders on the pitch to 'see it out' (granted we now know Cabaye was injures and we couldnt see it out). Jonas, Bigi, Perch and Anita all on at the same time against one of the worst teams in the past 5 years of the PL. Bobby would shudder. Keegan probably is.

 

I don't want this to turn into a Pardew bashing because his failings are obvious, so don't need to be repeated. Similarly, Ashley's are too. The saddest thing of all for me is the fact that money dominates all in football. It's all about seeing games out now. 2-0 up and clubs shut up shop. If my club ever got to the lofty position of being 2-0 up i'd want us to stick 4, 5, 6 past them. The thought of doing that is simply gone in modern football. Clubs see cups as not worth going for as they're not financially viable. Personally I couldn't give two hoots if the Europa League isn't fiinancially viable. If it takes 16 games against Scandanavian farmers in front of sub 20k crowds in the snow, then so be it.

 

A lot of people say football sold it's soul when Abroamovich came to Chelsea but I don't buy that completely. For decades it's largely been a case of he who has money does well. It's just largely more highlighted now because of the Sky era. The sad thing I think is that because of the complete vastness of his and the Man City  wealth, it means we start a season knowing that the best that 17 out of the 30 clubs can hope for is 4th place. A depressing situation. It eliminates the skill of coaches and management, almost making it worthless. If Allardyce got his dream role at someone like man u, they'd still more than likely end up in the top two. It's sickening seeing people get paid millions to be very average and have very little input into work, when 10k people are being made redundant from blockbuster, comet, hmv, jessops etc.

 

I'm waffing now so getting away from my original point, what is wrong with football? The answer would probably be 'nothing' if Abramovich had bought us, or even if we'd seen out a win against Reading today. But he didn't and we didn't. There are significant issues at our football club both from boardroom level to pitch level, but it' nothing new. What is new to us is we now have a club that's sole purpose isn't to entertain us, it's to be profitable. We may benefit in this window with a couple of panic buys so we don't miss out on the new TV deal, but ultimately it's going to leave us with a constant feeling of a half full club.

 

Keep the faith.

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Good read that.

 

We were getting our moneys worth yesterday. Their keeper was playing a blinder. Cabaye's "Koeman" was worth the entry alone... The crowd turned on Pardew when he put the kaibosh on that sort of nonsense.

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