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Never saw it mesel, but the times must've got it wrong...

 

Look, can I just say, at the end of the day, I’m giving 110 per cent and that’s all you can ask. You know, I often go to St James’ Park and stand there on the Holte End, singing songs about our great local rivals, Darlington. And I have to tell you it’s an absolute pleasure to hear the views of decent, hard-working Britons on issues that really matter. Why is Kieron Dyer always injured, and did Jean-Alain Boumsong really cost £8 million?

 

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Never saw it mesel, but the times must've got it wrong...

 

Look, can I just say, at the end of the day, I’m giving 110 per cent and that’s all you can ask. You know, I often go to St James’ Park and stand there on the Holte End, singing songs about our great local rivals, Darlington. And I have to tell you it’s an absolute pleasure to hear the views of decent, hard-working Britons on issues that really matter. Why is Kieron Dyer always injured, and did Jean-Alain Boumsong really cost £8 million?

 

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I didn't see FF yesterday either, but I believe they finally put to bed the myth that Blair had said he watched Milburn play in the Galloway end.

 

Which is a shame, really. :tumbleweed:

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Yeah, they dug out the clip of the radio interveiw where that was supposed to have come from (I must admit I thought he'd said that myself) and he didn't say any of that stuff. He said about how he became interested in the 1960s and he watched players in the 70s like Jimmy Smith and Malcolm Macdonald.

 

I dunno, I'm still not buying that he's this huge NUFC fan that he/his spin doctors try and make out.

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He can spout off about being a NUFC fan all he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that he went to Maggie's birthday bash.

 

Fucking crypto-conservative.

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Aye, that's f*cking appalling.

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I was embarrased by him claiming to be a fan, jumped on the Keegan Band Wagon imo.

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Harsh, but I can remember him at the Charity Shield match when we got thumped off Man U, and the camera showed him there, to which Tyler said something along the lines of, "Tony Blair, life-long Manchester United supporter of course".

 

I mean, how dare someone really famous support little old us instead of "United". :D

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the good Cardinal had some sort of fluffy toy in a NUFC strip that went EVERYWHERE he went - he used to place it so he could see it all the time............

 

 

his bag carrier had to ensure that t he had the results of our games as soon as possible wherever they were in the world

 

 

nivvor did us any good mind having a Prince of the Church on our side

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He can spout off about being a NUFC fan all he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that he went to Maggie's birthday bash.

 

Fucking crypto-conservative.

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Aye, that's f*cking appalling.

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No different to Arsene Wenger going to Alex Ferguson's 80th?

 

You can respect someone while not agreeing with them surely?

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He can spout off about being a NUFC fan all he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that he went to Maggie's birthday bash.

 

Fucking crypto-conservative.

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Aye, that's f*cking appalling.

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No different to Arsene Wenger going to Alex Ferguson's 80th?

 

You can respect someone while not agreeing with them surely?

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Not quite sure about that as a comparison, but who says Wenger would go to Ferguson's 80th, or indeed that Ferguson would invite him?

 

 

It's appalling because it illustrates what he's done to the Labour Party. Nemesis is perhaps a tad too strong, but the Labour Party always had the social welfare beliefs that the Thatcherite Tory party rejected. Blair has now turned the Labour Party into something not disimilar to Thatcherism. Perhaps still a little more socially conscious than the real thing, but not by an awful lot.

 

There are so many people now left in limbo, without a large, powerful voice for their beliefs that the Labour Party provided. You have old labour supporters and what would be labour supporters either not bothering, supporting the miniscule socialist parties set up because of the Blairisation of Labour or they stick with Labour for traditions sake but have lots of problems with Blairism and are made to feel like outcasts or thorns in the side of Blairists, or they'll go for the Lib Dems who they agree with the most, but who still don't fully share their views (the latter is me). I think in that respect, Blair has disenfranchised many, many people.

 

When John Smith died in 1995, people said what a tragedy it was. I think it's turned out to be a tragedy in more ways than people thought back then.

 

Same with Labour losing in 1992 under Kinnock.

 

I think things will improve under Gordon Brown, but Labour still won't be back to what it was.

Edited by Tom_NUFC

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He can spout off about being a NUFC fan all he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that he went to Maggie's birthday bash.

 

Fucking crypto-conservative.

53205[/snapback]

 

 

Aye, that's f*cking appalling.

53316[/snapback]

 

No different to Arsene Wenger going to Alex Ferguson's 80th?

 

You can respect someone while not agreeing with them surely?

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Not quite sure about that as a comparison, but who says Wenger would go to Ferguson's 80th, or indeed that Ferguson would invite him?

 

 

It's appalling because it illustrates what he's done to the Labour Party. Nemesis is perhaps a tad too strong, but the Labour Party always had the social welfare beliefs that the Thatcherite Tory party rejected. Blair has now turned the Labour Party into something not disimilar to Thatcherism. Perhaps still a little more socially conscious than the real thing, but not by an awful lot.

 

There are so many people now left in limbo, without a large, powerful voice for their beliefs that the Labour Party provided. You have old labour supporters and what would be labour supporters either not bothering, supporting the miniscule socialist parties set up because of the Blairisation of Labour or they stick with Labour for traditions sake but have lots of problems with Blairism and are made to feel like outcasts or thorns in the side of Blairists, or they'll go for the Lib Dems who they agree with the most, but who still don't fully share their views (the latter is me). I think in that respect, Blair has disenfranchised many, many people.

 

When John Smith died in 1995, people said what a tragedy it was. I think it's turned out to be a tragedy in more ways than people thought back then.

 

Same with Labour losing in 1992 under Kinnock.

 

I think things will improve under Gordon Brown, but Labour still won't be back to what it was.

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Good post. But would Labour have ever gained power under Kinnock/Smith?

 

I don't like Blair but he did make the party more electable.

Edited by Dr Kenneth Noisewater

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At the expense of putting them slightly to the right of the Conservatives (and al Qaeda)?

 

What's the point?

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Good post. But would Labour have ever gained power under Kinnock/Smith?

 

I don't like Blair but he did make the party more electable.

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Dunno.

 

I'm not sure about Kinnock, but then again in the run up to 92 he and Labour were leading in opinion polls by a long way, and then several things happened.

 

1. Labour shot themselves in the foot. They believed they had won the election before it had even happened, and maybe that put people's backs up.

 

2. The media has a big say on influencing people. If Rupert Murdoch supports you, you have a good chance because he'll use his media to support you. Murdoch was hell bent on the Tories winning and The Sun in particular went all out on their anti-Labour, anti-Kinnock attacks.

 

3. There was the publicity film with shots of Kinnock and his wife strolling along a beach together. The footage was aired because of a mishap. Kinnock's wife fell over, and as Kinnock went to pull her up to her feet, he fell over and ended up in the sea.

 

 

All in all, it was a shame, because Kinnock had done a lot to modernise the Labour Party. Blair gets most the credit for modernising it, but a lot of it was actually done by Kinnock, only Kinnock managed to modernise it whilst retaining the Labour social welfare values and support of the unions.

 

 

John Smith pretty much carried on from where Kinnock left off, and again he was looking good in the opinion polls, and then in 1995 he died of a heart attack out of the blue, so we'll never know what would have happened when 1997 came around, but he was popular and people were getting sick of the Tories.

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3. There was the publicity film with shots of Kinnock and his wife strolling along a beach together. The footage was aired because of a mishap. Kinnock's wife fell over, and as Kinnock went to pull her up to her feet, he fell over and ended up in the sea.

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I know the general public are stupid but surely they aren't that easily taken in. Especially as that incident had happened about 10 years before when Kinnock became Labour leader. Personally, I don't think people were ready to trust Labour over the economy. When Labour last got the economy was in a bit of a state though so I think that was the reason the Tories lost. Once you're in government, the position is yours to lose really. Especially in a country like ours where people's main concern seems to be am I well off and will the current government keep me well off?

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3. There was the publicity film with shots of Kinnock and his wife strolling along a beach together. The footage was aired because of a mishap. Kinnock's wife fell over, and as Kinnock went to pull her up to her feet, he fell over and ended up in the sea.

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I know the general public are stupid but surely they aren't that easily taken in.Especially as that incident had happened about 10 years before when Kinnock became Labour leader. Personally, I don't think people were ready to trust Labour over the economy. When Labour last got the economy was in a bit of a state though so I think that was the reason the Tories lost. Once you're in government, the position is yours to lose really. Especially in a country like ours where people's main concern seems to be am I well off and will the current government keep me well off?

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They would build their entire campaign around that footage in the US.

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