GLOBAL WARMING

[Rayvin 4963]

2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

There’s nothing wrong with genuine concern and good on you for trying to do your bit. The faux rage bit kicks in when the middle class spout their anger at others on social media while not actually going the extra mile themselves.

 

You know, either practice what you preach or don’t preach.

 

Tbf to Gloom though it does sound like he's doing his bit.

[Christmas Tree 3997]

17 hours ago, Isegrim said:

What do I do that does make me false?

 

 You call me a selfish twat for basically saying that like most people, I don’t do as much as I could and then say you basically do nothing either.

 

That makes us both selfish twats, but you a hypocrite. Faux rage.

[Christmas Tree 3997]

2 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Tbf to Gloom though it does sound like he's doing his bit.

 

Thats what I said

[Alex 30336]

20 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

It's good that the US takes a lot of the brunt of global warming though.

 

Hopefully it'll sink in eventually.

Well, Florida did vote for Trump.

[Alex 30336]

Being open about never having read a book and gloating about wilful ignorance is quite unusual so don't do yourself down, CT

[Isegrim 8870]

1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

 You call me a selfish twat for basically saying that like most people, I don’t do as much as I could and then say you basically do nothing either.

 

That makes us both selfish twats, but you a hypocrite. Faux rage.

Ah sorry, that’s probably down to a misunderstanding. When you asked me what changes i’ve done, I thought you meant what actual effects the things I do have had so far.

 

I do constantly change things to act more eco friendly, e. g. looking at what food I buy, clothes, don’t use the car unless really needed, don’t use planes unless really needed etc.

 

Plus, I do vote for people and parties who want to enforce measures to save the environment. Some of which will most likely effect myself negatively, especially cost me money, but also will hold businesses responsible.

[ewerk 26229]

The Tory government trying its best to undermine green vehicles.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45831150

[The Fish 8977]

On 10/12/2018 at 10:33, Christmas Tree said:

 

There’s nothing wrong with genuine concern and good on you for trying to do your bit. The faux rage bit kicks in when the middle class spout their anger at others on social media while not actually going the extra mile themselves.

 

You know, either practice what you preach or don’t preach.

A lot of people being concerned and making incremental changes to their lives can have a big impact. You needn't live like a hermit to show your concern for the state of the climate. You can buy from more responsible businesses, you can vote for more responsible governments. 

But, y'know, that doesn't necessarily benefit you immediately and directly, so I can see why you'd not give a shit. You sure your name isn't Jack?

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

I agree with CT to a point, there's too many people that don't give a shit for your conscience appeasing small changes to be anything other than futile. Voting for more responsible governments is futile - they won't get in. Global warming will be as catastrophic as it's going to be, we aren't reversing it. We should be spending on preparing/adapting to the consequences than drop-in-the-ocean futile prevention attempts

[Kid Dynamite 5899]

Apartheid, the emancipation of slaves, the women's vote....

 

Twats like you were saying the same then 

Edited October 13, 2018 by Kid Dynamite

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Ah alright, a few middle class lads going vegan is going to stop this. Pardon my realism.

[Renton 17719]

1 hour ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

I agree with CT to a point, there's too many people that don't give a shit for your conscience appeasing small changes to be anything other than futile. Voting for more responsible governments is futile - they won't get in. Global warming will be as catastrophic as it's going to be, we aren't reversing it. We should be spending on preparing/adapting to the consequences than drop-in-the-ocean futile prevention attempts

Maybe it's worth bearing in mind that the world got it's act together and banned CFCs, and ozone depletion is consequently in reversal. Global warming is a much more complex problem but there are solutions if the world works together. But the Putin. And Trump.....

[Tom 13830]

CT 

 

 

[Dr Gloom 19779]

Political change is what is needed - elected governments which take the issue seriously before it’s too late. It always starts with individuals 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

41 minutes ago, Renton said:

Maybe it's worth bearing in mind that the world got it's act together and banned CFCs, and ozone depletion is consequently in reversal. Global warming is a much more complex problem but there are solutions if the world works together. But the Putin. And Trump.....

 

As far as understatements go...

 

It's okay blaming Putin and Trump, but they were elected with vote winning policies. Going green isn't one, and won't be until we're at a visible point of destruction. We're already being given grave warnings from scientists and they're dropping off news bullitens within a day because not enough people give a shit. Bannings cfcs and changing the habits of 6 billion people are different animals

[Dr Gloom 19779]

I imagine we will leave it too late and our grandkids will look back at us as the selfish twats we are when we had all the data and warnings but chose to ignore it all because we’re lazy individualist twats. 

I don’t know when or if we will ever accept what animal agriculture is doing to the world, some kind of meat tax might help reduce consumption but it will decimate industry and people won’t vote for it. We have all the facts on fossil fuels and yet a climate change denier is the White House with fracking and “clean coal” all the rage.

The David Attenborough blue planet show had a big impact in how the world views plastic. Little things like that can go a long way to changing public opinion and policy.

[Dr Gloom 19779]

2 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

As far as understatements go...

 

It's okay blaming Putin and Trump, but they were elected with vote winning policies. Going green isn't one, and won't be until we're at a visible point of destruction. We're already being given grave warnings from scientists and they're dropping off news bullitens within a day because not enough people give a shit. Bannings cfcs and changing the habits of 6 billion people are different animals

I think it’s individuals which will eventually influence policymakers but suspect you’re right and we will leave it too late. 

The truth is the planet will be fine once we’re gone. It’s the human race that’s potentially fucked.

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Political change is what is needed - elected governments which take the issue seriously before it’s too late. It always starts with individuals 

 

Aye but who is going to vote for the party that wants to ban beef and meat? Which is what is basically needed going off that cowspiracy show. Going off that we could probably stop using oil and still fry the earth given how much it contributes. 

[Dr Gloom 19779]

1 hour ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

Ah alright, a few middle class lads going vegan is going to stop this. Pardon my realism.

A few people won’t change things alone. But it’s about awareness and influence. That’s how forces for change snowball and take a life of their own - from the ground up.

[Dr Gloom 19779]

2 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Aye but who is going to vote for the party that wants to ban beef and meat? Which is what is basically needed going off that cowspiracy show. Going off that we could probably stop using oil and still fry the earth given how much it contributes. 

I don’t think a meat ban is politically viable. A meat tax one day might be. If everyone just reduced their consumption they might still be able to enjoy it once a week or whatever and if demand decreased to that extent the impact of factory farming might start to go into reverse. 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

A few people won’t change things alone. But it’s about awareness and influence. That’s how forces for change snowball and take a life of their own - from the ground up.

 

Well you've seen the documentary, even the organisations that are aware and could influence don't want to fight that battle. We aren't going to turn the world vegetarian so we should focus on adapting instead of fighting a losing battle. We can't even get the world to give tabs up!

[Dr Gloom 19779]

Just now, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Well you've seen the documentary, even the organisations that are aware and could influence don't want to fight that battle. We aren't going to turn the world vegetarian so we should focus on adapting instead of fighting a losing battle. We can't even get the world to give tabs up!

The tobacco industry is dying dude. It’ll be pretty much gone in a couple of generations. 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I don’t think a meat ban is politically viable. A meat tax one day might be. If everyone just reduced their consumption they might still be able to enjoy it once a week or whatever and if demand decreased to that extent the impact of factory farming might start to go into reverse. 

 

Turning meat into a privileged luxury isn't politically viable either. Nor is a meat tax going to save the planet, in the same way that making my car tax £550 hasn't - when the combustion engine was the in thing to scapegoat 

[Dr Gloom 19779]

Well, the way we’re going isn’t sustainable so something is going to have to change at some point. I suspect something as drastic as a meat tax might eventually be enforced but probably long after we pass the tipping point. 

[Kid Dynamite 5899]

2 minutes ago, TheGingerQuiff said:

 

Turning meat into a privileged luxury isn't politically viable either. Nor is a meat tax going to save the planet, in the same way that making my car tax £550 hasn't - when the combustion engine was the in thing to scapegoat 

 

No but banning combustion engines might. Which most countries have now done over the next 20 years