Kevin Carr's Gloves 3187 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) I suppose military men are trained not to question what their leaders tell them. So because I am questioning something you say I don't question things. Edited November 25, 2016 by Kevin Carr's Gloves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 So because I am questioning something you say I don't question things. Key word was leaders. You're questioning a dissident group with an unblemished 100% record for authenticity and accuracy over 10 years and 10 million leaked documents that have embarrassed just about every major government on the planet, right wing and left. You're taking at their word the claims of government operatives such as Clapper, proven to have lied under oath to his own congress, that the group have a new found agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26723 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 So because I am questioning something you say I don't question things.If you were used to asking questions you would've put a '?' after that sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4963 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Key word was leaders. You're questioning a dissident group with an unblemished 100% record for authenticity and accuracy over 10 years and 10 million leaked documents that have embarrassed just about every major government on the planet, right wing and left. You're taking at their word the claims of government operatives such as Clapper, proven to have lied under oath to his own congress, that the group have a new found agenda. Just to add, it's not like the rest of the media don't have an agenda anyway... At least Wikileaks, if it does have one (it does) has to wield it through the relatively benign means of withholding information (if it does this at all) and the timing of releases. BBC esque in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3187 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 If you were used to asking questions you would've put a '?' after that sentence. No it's a statement not a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3187 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Key word was leaders. You're questioning a dissident group with an unblemished 100% record for authenticity and accuracy over 10 years and 10 million leaked documents that have embarrassed just about every major government on the planet, right wing and left. You're taking at their word the claims of government operatives such as Clapper, proven to have lied under oath to his own congress, that the group have a new found agenda. I have never heard of clapper, I am taking wikileaks actions during the US elections as evidence they have an agenda. Also I never said I believe th US has had no role in the Yemeni war. I just treat wikileaks information on it the way I treat reports in the daily mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26723 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 No it's a statement not a question.Depends on your perspective? (A question mark on my sentence here being the same). Anyway, I was just metaphorically pulling your plonker, KCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) This is exactly like HF dancing. Edited November 25, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4963 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Wonder if he'll ever be able to do that again...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 This is exactly like HF dancing. Assange has been dead/in the hole since October 3rd though innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3187 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Depends on your perspective? (A question mark on my sentence here being the same). Anyway, I was just metaphorically pulling your plonker, KCG. That's ok I enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26210 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) If being creepy were a crime he'd be bang to rights. Edited November 25, 2016 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30330 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Same goes for Assange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4963 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26210 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3187 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Same goes for Assange How many days do you normally take to come up with a quip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) TWO SHOT MCU ALEX leans in toward his drinking partner. A callous smile. ALEX (Humourous). So I catch him right. Right there! He’s cleaning my shoes. All of them. This guy gets up at four am to clean my shoes. I have this one pair of great boots and he’s always talking about them, sometimes he just stares right at them. Now this fucker is getting up four fucking am to clean my shoes. What do you make of that shit?! Tell me man. What the hell is this!? I ask myself, what a thing to find a full grown man doing. I was shocked... Took me a full minute to speak. Edited November 28, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 New wikileaks release The Yemen Files offer documentary evidence of the US arming, training and funding of Yemeni forces in the years building up to the war. The documents reveal, among other things, procurement of many different weapon types: aircrafts, vessels, vehicles, proposals for maritine border security control and Yemeni procurement of US biometric systems. https://wikileaks.org/yemen-files/?saudi Seems like a reasonable strategy to me. Are you saying they should have funded the other side? Why? They don't have any national rights over the territory either and are pushing a commercial and geopolitical strategy. To KCG's point, the release just casts doubt ton the morality of the US policy by 'releasing' information that was supposedly secret thereby creating the impression that it must be bad. For it to be bad, then allowing the Iranian led factions to control another sovereign country must therefore be good? As that's the implication, is that what you think? Or is this morally neutral Information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Seems like a reasonable strategy to me. Are you saying they should have funded the other side? Why? They don't have any national rights over the territory either and are pushing a commercial and geopolitical strategy. To KCG's point, the release just casts doubt ton the morality of the US policy by 'releasing' information that was supposedly secret thereby creating the impression that it must be bad. For it to be bad, then allowing the Iranian led factions to control another sovereign country must therefore be good? As that's the implication, is that what you think? Or is this morally neutral Information? I don't think the US has to arm one side or the other. You know the countless examples of the US providing arms and training to groups only for them to turn into the enemy. Happens time and again. Wikileaks has also provided evidence that the US do not believe that Iran are acting in Yemen. https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09SANAA1662_a.html So, the justification of the US providing balance to their meddling is overstated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Dated 2009 Question still stands ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 You've provided no counter evidence though. So my evidence stands. If you want to read something more recent... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/16/contrary-to-popular-belief-houthis-arent-iranian-proxies/?client=ms-android-oneplus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 That just confirms what I understood. That Iran arms and influences the Houthi rebels. Just no clear evidence they are completely under writing every effort. Which is probably because their soft power is more effective. Still trying to influence and control the commercial asset that is Yemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/18/uk-cluster-bombs-used-in-yemen-by-saudi-arabia-finds-research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26210 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 We just sold them the bombs, we had no idea what they were going to use them for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4963 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 So we signed up to a provision to prohibit and prevent the use of cluster bombs and then sold them to Saudi anyway. Great. That doesn't look hypocritical at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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