Gemmill 34425 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 And he's right about weather conditions on the day being massively important in comparing times up mountains, along with who each rider had around them etc. So start showing the Dawg some respect or I am going to start calling Adam Hansen names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 All the information is available for those that wish to take their head out of the sand. I'm not that invested in whether or not people believe Froome or not. Personally, I don't believe him. And that's based on a lot of factors which would take a lot of time to go into. That's the basis of my point. You can take that anyway you like. In my defence I've been having the same argument with people for over 15 years. It's boring. Weather conditions aren't massively important. They're just another variable which is already taken into consideration. Adjustments are made to calculations for tailwinds or headwinds, if they are applicable. I'm not sure if this guy genuinely doesn't know that, or if he's just trolling. There is no adjustment made for drag reduction on climbs though because the effect is negligible going uphill. This guy is a C grade apologist at best, but like any self-respecting apologist their arguments can sometimes makes sense for a nano-second. Until you realise it's complete unmitigated bullshit. You leave Adam Hansen out of this. He's done nothing to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Oh and one other thing I'd like to add. Just so everything is crystal clear on the significance of the leaked data files. There is no need to adjust the Ventoux data that was leaked for tailwind or 'motorbikes' or dragons or whatever. The Ventoux reading is directly from Froome's SRM data. It is a 100% accurate reading of the number of watts he's producing at any given time. For those interested, the average wattage numbers from the actual data reading that was leaked were the same as the estimates that have been around for two years. So it seems there are some people who are pretty good at considering variables like tailwinds, etc. Thank god for scientists I suppose. The only question is Froome's weight. Which is apparently not 71kg, but not necessarily any other number either. The weight allows for the calculation of w/kg produced by Froome over a time period. That w/kg was around 6.2. Which is considered 'physiologically possible' because humans generally don't produce physiologically impossible performances. So although no one can be declared a drug cheat based upon a performance, Froome's Ventoux performance was very suspect. On the mutant/non mutant scale it was mutant. Very very not normal. And it's not the only example out there, there are lots more. But they all had hurricane force tailwinds, so all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Can I go to bed now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Yes. But listen out for dingos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wykikitoon 16628 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 An awful shame has been treated like this?Sky are doing a hell of a lot of this themselves. Lets put aside the performances of the cyclists for a bit.Sky drive around in their flashy motors, their Range Rovers, their sepcialists jags for the TT's their RV's. They dominate the carparks p!ssing off the other teams. They set up screens so nobody can see the riders warming up etc. When I went to Amsterdam to see the Giro in 2010, Wiggins was hidden away whilst he warmed up. Cadel Evans who was then world champion and Giro favourite was accessabile to all and he didnt seem to mind one bit. I am not saying this should lead to abuse, but they put themselves on a pedastal. Meanwhile, David 'I have my tongue up Brailsfords arse' Walsh says all the other teams are run like amatures. Fuck me laughing. This is David Walsh who had the fucking cheek to say Astana's performance at the Giro, he darent watch. When Sky do it however its all through marginal gains and hard work.Why is it ok for David Walsh (who is on Murdoch's payroll dont forget) to sling those sort of accusations around, yet the French, German etc press arent allowed?Now, back to the riders.The numbers Sky gave yesterday just do not add up.The Dawg is apparently 2kg heavier now at the second rest stage of a Grand Tour, than at the beginning of the Dauphine. How the fuck can that be true?SDB "Chris, we know you'll crush the amatures at this race, so for a laugh, put some weight on"Then they say the osymetric rings they use over estimate the power by 6%. The manufacturer says its between 0.4% - 4%. I would assume the manufacturer is correct over Sky tbh. Then, Lotto Jumbo and other teams throw the data out which shows the riders power from the same stage. Froome - 5.79/kg - WinnerGesink - 5.93kg - Loses 1'33" to the Dawg A Yates - 5.84/kg - Loses 2'04" to the Dawg LTD - 5.5kg - Loses 4'25" to the Dawg For me Kimmage absolutley nails it here I cant wait for the Dawg to nail it on Alpe d'Huez, beat the time in a clean 5.65/kg I was listening to Radio5 yesterday when Bob Howden (BC Chairman and bell end) came on and moaned about the ex dopers in the media. Said they shouldnt be. Well no Bob, you're just pissed off that they are questioning the riders that your association has their licenses. You dont care about Rob Hayles or Saint Millar working for the BBC and ITV respectivley do you? You couldnt give a fuck about Jens either as he is the Omerta godfather.I have more respect for Rasmussen who confessed to doping over a fucking charlie sniff public school boy cunt like Millar who only confessed because he was fucking arrested. Back home in Girona with the other fucking dopers the wanker. I laugh too when Sky fans call out these dopers like Jalabert. Oh but its ok for Sir Fucking Bradley to pose with 'Legend' Museeuw is it? Because he hasnt fucking called Sky out and what they are? Musseuw was the godfather of the EPO era FFS! It's ok when it suits Sky thats what it is, well fuck of Sky because the pressure is on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I love a wykiki rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16628 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I love a wykiki rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I love a wykiki rant. Mine are more impressive. Wykiki has a tailwind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 You're both showing sky hatred levels well above the usual readings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Moderation is for the weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Anyway, should be a tasty last few days. I really hope Quintana is able to get away and make a bit of a contest of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Well if he does, the knives will need to be out for another DOPER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Cheeky shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16628 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I just hope its gonna be interesting!Sky have lost Kennaugh (Funnily enough before the rest day, must have been glowing ) which could make things interesting for Sky. I think Nibbles may have a stab, but dont think he has it for the real mountain coming up. G'wan Nairo!Really hope the Yates lads have a go too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14035 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 "Nibbles may have a stab" has to be gay slang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 16628 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 "Nibbles may have a stab" has to be gay slang. Men in Lycra with shaved legs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Geraint Thomas must have run out of drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 After nearly 79 hours of racing Froome is 2 minutes ahead of Quintana and 7 minutes ahead of Contador. Is he the only one of the leading riders who people are accusing of being a doper? How much difference do these drugs make because that's a very very small margin? It's less than 1000th of a % point of overall time which is such a slender margin, there is no clinical study in the world which would be able to say that that margin was due to the effect of the drugs. Or are they all on drugs still because if it's just Froome they must be shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Froome gots the chronic, baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 After nearly 79 hours of racing Froome is 2 minutes ahead of Quintana and 7 minutes ahead of Contador. Is he the only one of the leading riders who people are accusing of being a doper? How much difference do these drugs make because that's a very very small margin? It's less than 1000th of a % point of overall time which is such a slender margin, there is no clinical study in the world which would be able to say that that margin was due to the effect of the drugs. Or are they all on drugs still because if it's just Froome they must be shit? I'm not sure if you're being serious, but that's not how professional cycling works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2411 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Great performance from Quintana. Flew up the mountain. Reminded me of when Froome was 25. Flying up mountains at the Giro. Chasing back on to the grupetto, so he could continue his bitch work as feed man for the sprinters. Froomey was hanging on to a motorbike at the time and got thrown out of the race for cheating. Still the potential was there. You could see that the reining Anatomic Jock Race champion would soon develop into the best cyclist of his generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 So we saw someone gob in Froome's face yesterday and that silly old cunt making that gesture at him as he went round the hairpin, and there was a load of booing as well. Are we still claiming that Sky are making up these stories about dodgy behaviour from the crowd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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