Mags 1 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Terrible thing, yet my sympathy is tempered- didn't he have a liver transplant some years ago? And still drinking? Not meaning this in a cruel or harsh way, and I would never wish that kind of death on anyone , but fact is he brought it on himself. Tragic tho. 60205[/snapback] Yes, he has managed to completely knack a new liver in three years, I imagine that takes some doing. It is sad, but it is difficult to have sympathy. 60208[/snapback] I have no difficulty whatsoever in feeling a lot of sympathy for him. It's not like he made a conscious decision to become an alcoholic. 60214[/snapback] WUM but I'll slightly bite with a sarcastic- 'Oh I'm sure his hands were always tied and he was forced to swallow that devil's brew.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34348 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Terrible thing, yet my sympathy is tempered- didn't he have a liver transplant some years ago? And still drinking? Not meaning this in a cruel or harsh way, and I would never wish that kind of death on anyone , but fact is he brought it on himself. Tragic tho. 60205[/snapback] Yes, he has managed to completely knack a new liver in three years, I imagine that takes some doing. It is sad, but it is difficult to have sympathy. 60208[/snapback] I have no difficulty whatsoever in feeling a lot of sympathy for him. It's not like he made a conscious decision to become an alcoholic. 60214[/snapback] WUM but I'll slightly bite with a sarcastic- 'Oh I'm sure his hands were always tied and he was forced to swallow that devil's brew.' 60218[/snapback] From someone that works in the medical profession I'm a bit taken aback by that tbh. And I don't think Alex was trying to wind you up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17723 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Terrible thing, yet my sympathy is tempered- didn't he have a liver transplant some years ago? And still drinking? Not meaning this in a cruel or harsh way, and I would never wish that kind of death on anyone , but fact is he brought it on himself. Tragic tho. 60205[/snapback] Yes, he has managed to completely knack a new liver in three years, I imagine that takes some doing. It is sad, but it is difficult to have sympathy. 60208[/snapback] I have no difficulty whatsoever in feeling a lot of sympathy for him. It's not like he made a conscious decision to become an alcoholic. 60214[/snapback] No, but he didn't take the steps he needed to deal with his addiction, despite his hugely privileged position (he's not going to die in an NHS hospital, is he?). I lost sympathy when he had the transplant. He was given a miraculous second chance, but chose to ignore all the warnings and his vows and pissed it away. In retrospect it was the wrong decision to give him that chance, and I am sure his actions will probably have a negative effect on other alcoholics today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 TalkSport treating it like a day of national mouring. 60211[/snapback] Knob-jockeys on that station like. I find myself listening to it solely to wind myself up. 60217[/snapback] They make Spooney seem ok. Not good, but ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mags 1 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Fair enough- be taken aback. Simple fact is he chose to facilitate it, regardless of whether or not he chose to become one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Terrible thing, yet my sympathy is tempered- didn't he have a liver transplant some years ago? And still drinking? Not meaning this in a cruel or harsh way, and I would never wish that kind of death on anyone , but fact is he brought it on himself. Tragic tho. 60205[/snapback] Yes, he has managed to completely knack a new liver in three years, I imagine that takes some doing. It is sad, but it is difficult to have sympathy. 60208[/snapback] I have no difficulty whatsoever in feeling a lot of sympathy for him. It's not like he made a conscious decision to become an alcoholic. 60214[/snapback] No, but he didn't take the steps he needed to deal with his addiction, despite his hugely privileged position (he's not going to die in an NHS hospital, is he?). I lost sympathy when he had the transplant. He was given a miraculous second chance, but chose to ignore all the warnings and his vows and pissed it away. In retrospect it was the wrong decision to give him that chance, and I am sure his actions will probably have a negative effect on other alcoholics today. 60220[/snapback] Well, I feel differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17723 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Terrible thing, yet my sympathy is tempered- didn't he have a liver transplant some years ago? And still drinking? Not meaning this in a cruel or harsh way, and I would never wish that kind of death on anyone , but fact is he brought it on himself. Tragic tho. 60205[/snapback] Yes, he has managed to completely knack a new liver in three years, I imagine that takes some doing. It is sad, but it is difficult to have sympathy. 60208[/snapback] I have no difficulty whatsoever in feeling a lot of sympathy for him. It's not like he made a conscious decision to become an alcoholic. 60214[/snapback] No, but he didn't take the steps he needed to deal with his addiction, despite his hugely privileged position (he's not going to die in an NHS hospital, is he?). I lost sympathy when he had the transplant. He was given a miraculous second chance, but chose to ignore all the warnings and his vows and pissed it away. In retrospect it was the wrong decision to give him that chance, and I am sure his actions will probably have a negative effect on other alcoholics today. 60220[/snapback] Well, I feel differently. 60223[/snapback] Fair enough, but do you agree, with hindsight, he should never have been given a transplant? He had all the help imaginable - his mother died an alcoholic (most people would stop drinking if that had happened), he had money, access to the best medical help, he was under public scrutiny, he had a beautiful loving wife. There comes a point when you have to take responsibility and face your addictions - he is the only person to blame for his fate, hence the lack of sympathy compared to people who really don't get a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Obviously divides opinion but at least he had the very best of treatment and every amount of help and assistance to overcome his problems. Ultimately down to him that he didnt/couldnt, which even if it isnt 'tragic' is still very 'sad'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17723 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Obviously divides opinion but at least he had the very best of treatment and every amount of help and assistance to overcome his problems. Ultimately down to him that he didnt/couldnt, which even if it isnt 'tragic' is still very 'sad'. 60232[/snapback] I think it's both tragic and sad, I just don't have much sympathy. I really hope I don't sound callous, because I'm not that type of person, but much worse things happen to people every day and unlike Best, they have no choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mags 1 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Obviously divides opinion but at least he had the very best of treatment and every amount of help and assistance to overcome his problems. Ultimately down to him that he didnt/couldnt, which even if it isnt 'tragic' is still very 'sad'. 60232[/snapback] I think it's both tragic and sad, I just don't have much sympathy. I really hope I don't sound callous, because I'm not that type of person, but much worse things happen to people every day and unlike Best, they have no choice. 60233[/snapback] Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Obviously divides opinion but at least he had the very best of treatment and every amount of help and assistance to overcome his problems. Ultimately down to him that he didnt/couldnt, which even if it isnt 'tragic' is still very 'sad'. 60232[/snapback] I think it's both tragic and sad, I just don't have much sympathy. I really hope I don't sound callous, because I'm not that type of person, but much worse things happen to people every day and unlike Best, they have no choice. 60233[/snapback] Exactly. 60235[/snapback] *said in Scouse accent, with a 'milk moustache'* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Terrible thing, yet my sympathy is tempered- didn't he have a liver transplant some years ago? And still drinking? Not meaning this in a cruel or harsh way, and I would never wish that kind of death on anyone , but fact is he brought it on himself. Tragic tho. 60205[/snapback] Yes, he has managed to completely knack a new liver in three years, I imagine that takes some doing. It is sad, but it is difficult to have sympathy. 60208[/snapback] I have no difficulty whatsoever in feeling a lot of sympathy for him. It's not like he made a conscious decision to become an alcoholic. 60214[/snapback] No, but he didn't take the steps he needed to deal with his addiction, despite his hugely privileged position (he's not going to die in an NHS hospital, is he?). I lost sympathy when he had the transplant. He was given a miraculous second chance, but chose to ignore all the warnings and his vows and pissed it away. In retrospect it was the wrong decision to give him that chance, and I am sure his actions will probably have a negative effect on other alcoholics today. 60220[/snapback] Well, I feel differently. 60223[/snapback] Fair enough, but do you agree, with hindsight, he should never have been given a transplant? He had all the help imaginable - his mother died an alcoholic (most people would stop drinking if that had happened), he had money, access to the best medical help, he was under public scrutiny, he had a beautiful loving wife. There comes a point when you have to take responsibility and face your addictions - he is the only person to blame for his fate, hence the lack of sympathy compared to people who really don't get a chance. 60231[/snapback] He gave up the booze and ticked all the right boxes for a transplant according to his consultant. He couldn't see into the future could he. As for the comparison with other people, it works both ways doesn't it? He was probably subjected to the sort of media scrutiny and hype that no other British footballer had been before. He often blames his need to overcome shyness for making him start drink. I feel very sorry for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Obviously divides opinion but at least he had the very best of treatment and every amount of help and assistance to overcome his problems. Ultimately down to him that he didnt/couldnt, which even if it isnt 'tragic' is still very 'sad'. 60232[/snapback] I think it's both tragic and sad, I just don't have much sympathy. I really hope I don't sound callous, because I'm not that type of person, but much worse things happen to people every day and unlike Best, they have no choice. 60233[/snapback] Fuck me Renton you had the violins out and were claiming (erroneously as it turned out) that GNER were going to be doing you out of a Xmas present this year. I'm withdrawing my sympathy herewith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17723 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 He gave up the booze and ticked all the right boxes for a transplant according to his consultant. He couldn't see into the future could he. As for the comparison with other people, it works both ways doesn't it? He was probably subjected to the sort of media scrutiny and hype that no other British footballer had been before. He often blames his need to overcome shyness for making him start drink. I feel very sorry for him. 60238[/snapback] This is what infuriates me - if he could give up for a year before the transplant, why did he start again? He obviously thought to himself it's OK now I have a nice new liver. Anyway, the doctor's got it wrong on this one, I hope they weren't swung by his fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 He gave up the booze and ticked all the right boxes for a transplant according to his consultant. He couldn't see into the future could he. As for the comparison with other people, it works both ways doesn't it? He was probably subjected to the sort of media scrutiny and hype that no other British footballer had been before. He often blames his need to overcome shyness for making him start drink. I feel very sorry for him. 60238[/snapback] This is what infuriates me - if he could give up for a year before the transplant, why did he start again? He obviously thought to himself it's OK now I have a nice new liver. Anyway, the doctor's got it wrong on this one, I hope they weren't swung by his fame. 60242[/snapback] I take your point although I don't think you can blame the doctors, they weren't to know he was going to start drinking again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17723 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Obviously divides opinion but at least he had the very best of treatment and every amount of help and assistance to overcome his problems. Ultimately down to him that he didnt/couldnt, which even if it isnt 'tragic' is still very 'sad'. 60232[/snapback] I think it's both tragic and sad, I just don't have much sympathy. I really hope I don't sound callous, because I'm not that type of person, but much worse things happen to people every day and unlike Best, they have no choice. 60233[/snapback] Fuck me Renton you had the violins out and were claiming (erroneously as it turned out) that GNER were going to be doing you out of a Xmas present this year. I'm withdrawing my sympathy herewith 60241[/snapback] I'll be eating nothing but boiled potatoes while you scoff your organic turkey. Bollocks, you're a veggie aren't you - that doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Obviously divides opinion but at least he had the very best of treatment and every amount of help and assistance to overcome his problems. Ultimately down to him that he didnt/couldnt, which even if it isnt 'tragic' is still very 'sad'. 60232[/snapback] I think it's both tragic and sad, I just don't have much sympathy. I really hope I don't sound callous, because I'm not that type of person, but much worse things happen to people every day and unlike Best, they have no choice. 60233[/snapback] Fuck me Renton you had the violins out and were claiming (erroneously as it turned out) that GNER were going to be doing you out of a Xmas present this year. I'm withdrawing my sympathy herewith 60241[/snapback] I'll be eating nothing but boiled potatoes while you scoff your organic turkey. Bollocks, you're a veggie aren't you - that doesn't work. 60244[/snapback] Organic nut roast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Xmas is shite anyway and that's official Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Xmas is shite anyway and that's official 60250[/snapback] Not getting any tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Xmas is shite anyway and that's official 60250[/snapback] Not getting any tbh. 60253[/snapback] There's nowt seasonal about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Xmas is shite anyway and that's official 60250[/snapback] Not getting any tbh. 60253[/snapback] There's nowt seasonal about that 60255[/snapback] I can empathise with that like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17723 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Xmas is shite anyway and that's official 60250[/snapback] Not getting any tbh. 60253[/snapback] There's nowt seasonal about that 60255[/snapback] I can empathise with that like. 60259[/snapback] I can sympathise with that like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Xmas is shite anyway and that's official 60250[/snapback] Not getting any tbh. 60253[/snapback] There's nowt seasonal about that 60255[/snapback] I can empathise with that like. 60259[/snapback] I can sympathise with that like. 60263[/snapback] I know what I'm saying bumwad. Long distance relationship. Alreet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Xmas is shite anyway and that's official 60250[/snapback] Not getting any tbh. 60253[/snapback] There's nowt seasonal about that 60255[/snapback] I can empathise with that like. 60259[/snapback] I can sympathise with that like. 60263[/snapback] Like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manc-mag 1 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Xmas is shite anyway and that's official 60250[/snapback] Not getting any tbh. 60253[/snapback] There's nowt seasonal about that 60255[/snapback] I can empathise with that like. 60259[/snapback] I can sympathise with that like. 60263[/snapback] Like it 60272[/snapback] tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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