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[LeazesMag 0]

Stevie's original point was that we haven't signed any player of Cole's calibre since Souness, and he's not wrong.

 

Fair enough. Yes he is right if that is the case.

 

Backpedalling much now you know who it is?

 

 

ah. Look what the cat dragged in

 

Still think "anybody but Fred"

[Gejon 2]

[manc-mag 1]

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes... when you mention the fact that we used to sign players like this... could it be argued that Damien Duff was one of those players? Exactly the same, a Chelsea winger leaving them because he is declining. Were you happy signing declining players on inflated wages at great expense to the clubs financial health?

 

you mean like Kieron Dyer, Laurent Robert, Craig Bellamy, James Milner, Charles N'Zogbia, Obafemi Martins, Scott Parker for starters.......remind yourself too that the specific player you mention, Damien Duff, left us for Fulham, yes Fulham, and has just played in a european Final while we have played in the 2nd division.

 

Your "opinion" is trounced by facts mate.

 

 

Boro got to that same European final

 

Martins? The wages such an average player were earning were laughable. Scott Parker? You mean the player that got sold to accommodate Alan Smith by a man appointed by Shepherd? Dyer, paid thousands for 2 games a season? The other players you mentioned were signed by Bobby Robson, the only manager appointed whilst Shepherd was chairman that enjoyed any kind of success. Why talk about a small number of success stories that were clearly an expection to the rule?

 

Sadly, one person owning less than 30% of shares doesn't run a football club on his own and make managerial appointments on his own either.

 

Also unfortunately, no manager appointed by Mike Ashley will get anywhere near the success that Bobby Robson achieved, as did all the managers appointed by the predecessors to the Halls and Shepherd since the 1950's to put things into their correct perspective. Why do you talk about a small number of relative failures during the time of the Halls and Shepherd that were clearly an exception to the rule ?

 

At the end of the day, we were the 5th most successful side during their time owning the club, with the 5th highest average league position, the 5th most qualified team for europe, converted a club that could not be sold for 2.5m quid into one that had the 14th biggest turnover in world football, transformed the stadium into one of the best in the country and filled it every home game, signed world class footballers including breaking the world transfer record, and attracted managers like Bobby Robson to the club in the first place when they were not interested previously preferring to spend his career at a club like Ipswich. All of that from having one foot in the 3rd division when they found it.

 

If you seriously think you can undermine and undervalue all of this, look again at what has happened since they were bought out.

[LeazesMag 0]

 

 

once a dickhead, always a dickhead

[manc-mag 1]

Once a bairn...

[Gejon 2]

Once and argument about the old board.....

[LeazesMag 0]

Once and argument about the old board.....

 

you're just as boring as you are on NO

[LeazesMag 0]

Once a bairn...

 

Unfortunately for you, what I say is correct. Shame you can't put up a valid case to disprove it.

[manc-mag 1]

Once a bairn...

 

Unfortunately for you, what I say is correct. Shame you can't put up a valid case to disprove it.

 

 

 

dont cry.

[Gejon 2]

Once and argument about the old board.....

 

you're just as boring as you are on NO

 

 

So are yo....Oh wait!

[LeazesMag 0]

Once and argument about the old board.....

 

you're just as boring as you are on NO

 

 

So are yo....Oh wait!

 

Sadly for them, I was also banned for being right..........

[LeazesMag 0]

Once a bairn...

 

Unfortunately for you, what I say is correct. Shame you can't put up a valid case to disprove it.

 

 

 

dont cry.

 

you've been quiet for a while ?

[manc-mag 1]

Once a bairn...

 

Unfortunately for you, what I say is correct. Shame you can't put up a valid case to disprove it.

 

 

 

dont cry.

 

you've been quiet for a while ?

 

 

 

[Gejon 2]

Once and argument about the old board.....

 

you're just as boring as you are on NO

 

 

So are yo....Oh wait!

 

Sadly for them, I was also banned for being right..........

 

 

Yes, sadly.....

 

I was just saying the other day, you know what this place needs? Someone banging on about Shepherd every time they post and everyone agreed.

 

You are a big miss

[LeazesMag 0]

Once and argument about the old board.....

 

you're just as boring as you are on NO

 

 

So are yo....Oh wait!

 

Sadly for them, I was also banned for being right..........

 

 

Yes, sadly.....

 

I was just saying the other day, you know what this place needs? Someone banging on about Shepherd every time they post and everyone agreed.

 

You are a big miss

 

no need to mention names though, my point was having people who ran the club with ambition and attempted to be successful, that is all. At least the penny has dropped with some of the dumber posters.....

[Gejon 2]

Once and argument about the old board.....

 

you're just as boring as you are on NO

 

 

So are yo....Oh wait!

 

Sadly for them, I was also banned for being right..........

 

 

Yes, sadly.....

 

I was just saying the other day, you know what this place needs? Someone banging on about Shepherd every time they post and everyone agreed.

 

You are a big miss

 

no need to mention names though, my point was having people who ran the club with ambition and attempted to be successful, that is all. At least the penny has dropped with some of the dumber posters.....

 

Yeah we miss that every other post

[LeazesMag 0]

Once and argument about the old board.....

 

you're just as boring as you are on NO

 

 

So are yo....Oh wait!

 

Sadly for them, I was also banned for being right..........

 

 

Yes, sadly.....

 

I was just saying the other day, you know what this place needs? Someone banging on about Shepherd every time they post and everyone agreed.

 

You are a big miss

 

no need to mention names though, my point was having people who ran the club with ambition and attempted to be successful, that is all. At least the penny has dropped with some of the dumber posters.....

 

Yeah we miss that every other post

 

 

you also appear to miss the point that my point was always made in response to some numpty complaining about how embarrassing things were .........

 

Of course, that is different

[Gejon 2]

Your "point" was (and still is on here) made in threads that have NOTHING whatsoever to do with that argument (like general chat threads etc..)

[manc-mag 1]

and to be fair leazes, you didn't say half the things that you claim to have done after the event anyway. [casts/]

[LeazesMag 0]

Your "point" was (and still is on here) made in threads that have NOTHING whatsoever to do with that argument (like general chat threads etc..)

 

 

see post number 26

[Guest]

Leazes... when you mention the fact that we used to sign players like this... could it be argued that Damien Duff was one of those players? Exactly the same, a Chelsea winger leaving them because he is declining. Were you happy signing declining players on inflated wages at great expense to the clubs financial health?

 

you mean like Kieron Dyer, Laurent Robert, Craig Bellamy, James Milner, Charles N'Zogbia, Obafemi Martins, Scott Parker for starters.......remind yourself too that the specific player you mention, Damien Duff, left us for Fulham, yes Fulham, and has just played in a european Final while we have played in the 2nd division.

 

Your "opinion" is trounced by facts mate.

 

 

Boro got to that same European final

 

Martins? The wages such an average player were earning were laughable. Scott Parker? You mean the player that got sold to accommodate Alan Smith by a man appointed by Shepherd? Dyer, paid thousands for 2 games a season? The other players you mentioned were signed by Bobby Robson, the only manager appointed whilst Shepherd was chairman that enjoyed any kind of success. Why talk about a small number of success stories that were clearly an expection to the rule?

 

Sadly, one person owning less than 30% of shares doesn't run a football club on his own and make managerial appointments on his own either.

 

Also unfortunately, no manager appointed by Mike Ashley will get anywhere near the success that Bobby Robson achieved, as did all the managers appointed by the predecessors to the Halls and Shepherd since the 1950's to put things into their correct perspective. Why do you talk about a small number of relative failures during the time of the Halls and Shepherd that were clearly an exception to the rule ?

 

At the end of the day, we were the 5th most successful side during their time owning the club, with the 5th highest average league position, the 5th most qualified team for europe, converted a club that could not be sold for 2.5m quid into one that had the 14th biggest turnover in world football, transformed the stadium into one of the best in the country and filled it every home game, signed world class footballers including breaking the world transfer record, and attracted managers like Bobby Robson to the club in the first place when they were not interested previously preferring to spend his career at a club like Ipswich. All of that from having one foot in the 3rd division when they found it.

 

If you seriously think you can undermine and undervalue all of this, look again at what has happened since they were bought out.

 

 

But they managed to do all that and then fuck it all up though That's the point you're missing. We got the dizzy heights (without any trophies to show for it) but at the end of his reign we had just finished bottom half of the table, had an extortionate wage bill and are, because of their reign, debt ridden. The fact is they did all of those things by taking big financial risks that didn't pay off. The only thing that they can be credited for is ambition, but even then, they had their own motives at heart throughout.

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes... when you mention the fact that we used to sign players like this... could it be argued that Damien Duff was one of those players? Exactly the same, a Chelsea winger leaving them because he is declining. Were you happy signing declining players on inflated wages at great expense to the clubs financial health?

 

you mean like Kieron Dyer, Laurent Robert, Craig Bellamy, James Milner, Charles N'Zogbia, Obafemi Martins, Scott Parker for starters.......remind yourself too that the specific player you mention, Damien Duff, left us for Fulham, yes Fulham, and has just played in a european Final while we have played in the 2nd division.

 

Your "opinion" is trounced by facts mate.

 

 

Boro got to that same European final

 

Martins? The wages such an average player were earning were laughable. Scott Parker? You mean the player that got sold to accommodate Alan Smith by a man appointed by Shepherd? Dyer, paid thousands for 2 games a season? The other players you mentioned were signed by Bobby Robson, the only manager appointed whilst Shepherd was chairman that enjoyed any kind of success. Why talk about a small number of success stories that were clearly an expection to the rule?

 

Sadly, one person owning less than 30% of shares doesn't run a football club on his own and make managerial appointments on his own either.

 

Also unfortunately, no manager appointed by Mike Ashley will get anywhere near the success that Bobby Robson achieved, as did all the managers appointed by the predecessors to the Halls and Shepherd since the 1950's to put things into their correct perspective. Why do you talk about a small number of relative failures during the time of the Halls and Shepherd that were clearly an exception to the rule ?

 

At the end of the day, we were the 5th most successful side during their time owning the club, with the 5th highest average league position, the 5th most qualified team for europe, converted a club that could not be sold for 2.5m quid into one that had the 14th biggest turnover in world football, transformed the stadium into one of the best in the country and filled it every home game, signed world class footballers including breaking the world transfer record, and attracted managers like Bobby Robson to the club in the first place when they were not interested previously preferring to spend his career at a club like Ipswich. All of that from having one foot in the 3rd division when they found it.

 

If you seriously think you can undermine and undervalue all of this, look again at what has happened since they were bought out.

 

 

But they managed to do all that and then fuck it all up though That's the point you're missing. We got the dizzy heights (without any trophies to show for it) but at the end of his reign we had just finished bottom half of the table, had an extortionate wage bill and are, because of their reign, debt ridden. The fact is they did all of those things by taking big financial risks that didn't pay off. The only thing that they can be credited for is ambition, but even then, they had their own motives at heart throughout.

 

so you would rather not attempt it then ?

 

Don't mock ambition, the current owner has none, just like most other clubs, which is what we are back to being, as we were pre-1992.

 

Shame you don't see it.

 

I wouldn't call playing regularly in europe, signing top players that we did, expanding and filling the stadium, "not paying off" but if you do, thats up to you.

 

As for motives, doesn't everybody have their own motives in life, including you ?

Edited June 6, 2010 by LeazesMag

[Guest]

Leazes... when you mention the fact that we used to sign players like this... could it be argued that Damien Duff was one of those players? Exactly the same, a Chelsea winger leaving them because he is declining. Were you happy signing declining players on inflated wages at great expense to the clubs financial health?

 

you mean like Kieron Dyer, Laurent Robert, Craig Bellamy, James Milner, Charles N'Zogbia, Obafemi Martins, Scott Parker for starters.......remind yourself too that the specific player you mention, Damien Duff, left us for Fulham, yes Fulham, and has just played in a european Final while we have played in the 2nd division.

 

Your "opinion" is trounced by facts mate.

 

 

Boro got to that same European final

 

Martins? The wages such an average player were earning were laughable. Scott Parker? You mean the player that got sold to accommodate Alan Smith by a man appointed by Shepherd? Dyer, paid thousands for 2 games a season? The other players you mentioned were signed by Bobby Robson, the only manager appointed whilst Shepherd was chairman that enjoyed any kind of success. Why talk about a small number of success stories that were clearly an expection to the rule?

 

Sadly, one person owning less than 30% of shares doesn't run a football club on his own and make managerial appointments on his own either.

 

Also unfortunately, no manager appointed by Mike Ashley will get anywhere near the success that Bobby Robson achieved, as did all the managers appointed by the predecessors to the Halls and Shepherd since the 1950's to put things into their correct perspective. Why do you talk about a small number of relative failures during the time of the Halls and Shepherd that were clearly an exception to the rule ?

 

At the end of the day, we were the 5th most successful side during their time owning the club, with the 5th highest average league position, the 5th most qualified team for europe, converted a club that could not be sold for 2.5m quid into one that had the 14th biggest turnover in world football, transformed the stadium into one of the best in the country and filled it every home game, signed world class footballers including breaking the world transfer record, and attracted managers like Bobby Robson to the club in the first place when they were not interested previously preferring to spend his career at a club like Ipswich. All of that from having one foot in the 3rd division when they found it.

 

If you seriously think you can undermine and undervalue all of this, look again at what has happened since they were bought out.

 

 

But they managed to do all that and then fuck it all up though That's the point you're missing. We got the dizzy heights (without any trophies to show for it) but at the end of his reign we had just finished bottom half of the table, had an extortionate wage bill and are, because of their reign, debt ridden. The fact is they did all of those things by taking big financial risks that didn't pay off. The only thing that they can be credited for is ambition, but even then, they had their own motives at heart throughout.

 

so you would rather not attempt it then ?

 

Don't mock ambition, the current owner has none, just like most other clubs, which is what we are back to being, as we were pre-1992.

 

Shame you don't see it.

 

I wouldn't call playing regularly in europe, signing top players that we did, expanding and filling the stadium, "not paying off" but if you do, thats up to you.

 

As for motives, doesn't everybody have their own motives in life, including you ?

 

 

Are we pre-1992 because of the current owners lack of ambition or because of the previous owners wreckless ambition? A combination of both. Ashley is fucking terrible, but to use that fact to paint Shepherd in a good light is just bollocks Leazes, and you know it.

[The Fish 8989]

Leazes... when you mention the fact that we used to sign players like this... could it be argued that Damien Duff was one of those players? Exactly the same, a Chelsea winger leaving them because he is declining. Were you happy signing declining players on inflated wages at great expense to the clubs financial health?

 

you mean like Kieron Dyer, Laurent Robert, Craig Bellamy, James Milner, Charles N'Zogbia, Obafemi Martins, Scott Parker for starters.......remind yourself too that the specific player you mention, Damien Duff, left us for Fulham, yes Fulham, and has just played in a european Final while we have played in the 2nd division.

 

Your "opinion" is trounced by facts mate.

 

 

Boro got to that same European final

 

Martins? The wages such an average player were earning were laughable. Scott Parker? You mean the player that got sold to accommodate Alan Smith by a man appointed by Shepherd? Dyer, paid thousands for 2 games a season? The other players you mentioned were signed by Bobby Robson, the only manager appointed whilst Shepherd was chairman that enjoyed any kind of success. Why talk about a small number of success stories that were clearly an expection to the rule?

 

Sadly, one person owning less than 30% of shares doesn't run a football club on his own and make managerial appointments on his own either.

 

Also unfortunately, no manager appointed by Mike Ashley will get anywhere near the success that Bobby Robson achieved, as did all the managers appointed by the predecessors to the Halls and Shepherd since the 1950's to put things into their correct perspective. Why do you talk about a small number of relative failures during the time of the Halls and Shepherd that were clearly an exception to the rule ?

 

At the end of the day, we were the 5th most successful side during their time owning the club, with the 5th highest average league position, the 5th most qualified team for europe, converted a club that could not be sold for 2.5m quid into one that had the 14th biggest turnover in world football, transformed the stadium into one of the best in the country and filled it every home game, signed world class footballers including breaking the world transfer record, and attracted managers like Bobby Robson to the club in the first place when they were not interested previously preferring to spend his career at a club like Ipswich. All of that from having one foot in the 3rd division when they found it.

 

If you seriously think you can undermine and undervalue all of this, look again at what has happened since they were bought out.

 

 

But they managed to do all that and then fuck it all up though That's the point you're missing. We got the dizzy heights (without any trophies to show for it) but at the end of his reign we had just finished bottom half of the table, had an extortionate wage bill and are, because of their reign, debt ridden. The fact is they did all of those things by taking big financial risks that didn't pay off. The only thing that they can be credited for is ambition, but even then, they had their own motives at heart throughout.

 

so you would rather not attempt it then ?

 

Don't mock ambition, the current owner has none, just like most other clubs, which is what we are back to being, as we were pre-1992.

 

Shame you don't see it.

 

I wouldn't call playing regularly in europe, signing top players that we did, expanding and filling the stadium, "not paying off" but if you do, thats up to you.

 

As for motives, doesn't everybody have their own motives in life, including you ?

 

 

Are we pre-1992 because of the current owners lack of ambition or because of the previous owners wreckless ambition? A combination of both. Ashley is fucking terrible, but to use that fact to paint Shepherd in a good light is just bollocks Leazes, and you know it.

 

The terrifying thing? He doesn't!