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What top players did we even sign that were a success? Most of the success stories here were players coming from other smaller clubs and making their name here, rarely has signing so called top players actually worked for us, because the majority of them weren't top players but declining players on top wages. Aka trophy signings. Yet that's a good thing?

Edited June 6, 2010 by AshleysSkidMark

[LeazesMag 0]

What top players did we even sign that were a success? Most of the success stories here were players coming from other smaller clubs and making their name here, rarely has signing so called top players actually worked for us, because the majority of them weren't top players but declining players on top wages. Aka trophy signings. Yet that's a good thing?

 

what a load of bollocks.

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes... when you mention the fact that we used to sign players like this... could it be argued that Damien Duff was one of those players? Exactly the same, a Chelsea winger leaving them because he is declining. Were you happy signing declining players on inflated wages at great expense to the clubs financial health?

 

you mean like Kieron Dyer, Laurent Robert, Craig Bellamy, James Milner, Charles N'Zogbia, Obafemi Martins, Scott Parker for starters.......remind yourself too that the specific player you mention, Damien Duff, left us for Fulham, yes Fulham, and has just played in a european Final while we have played in the 2nd division.

 

Your "opinion" is trounced by facts mate.

 

 

Boro got to that same European final

 

Martins? The wages such an average player were earning were laughable. Scott Parker? You mean the player that got sold to accommodate Alan Smith by a man appointed by Shepherd? Dyer, paid thousands for 2 games a season? The other players you mentioned were signed by Bobby Robson, the only manager appointed whilst Shepherd was chairman that enjoyed any kind of success. Why talk about a small number of success stories that were clearly an expection to the rule?

 

Sadly, one person owning less than 30% of shares doesn't run a football club on his own and make managerial appointments on his own either.

 

Also unfortunately, no manager appointed by Mike Ashley will get anywhere near the success that Bobby Robson achieved, as did all the managers appointed by the predecessors to the Halls and Shepherd since the 1950's to put things into their correct perspective. Why do you talk about a small number of relative failures during the time of the Halls and Shepherd that were clearly an exception to the rule ?

 

At the end of the day, we were the 5th most successful side during their time owning the club, with the 5th highest average league position, the 5th most qualified team for europe, converted a club that could not be sold for 2.5m quid into one that had the 14th biggest turnover in world football, transformed the stadium into one of the best in the country and filled it every home game, signed world class footballers including breaking the world transfer record, and attracted managers like Bobby Robson to the club in the first place when they were not interested previously preferring to spend his career at a club like Ipswich. All of that from having one foot in the 3rd division when they found it.

 

If you seriously think you can undermine and undervalue all of this, look again at what has happened since they were bought out.

 

 

But they managed to do all that and then fuck it all up though That's the point you're missing. We got the dizzy heights (without any trophies to show for it) but at the end of his reign we had just finished bottom half of the table, had an extortionate wage bill and are, because of their reign, debt ridden. The fact is they did all of those things by taking big financial risks that didn't pay off. The only thing that they can be credited for is ambition, but even then, they had their own motives at heart throughout.

 

so you would rather not attempt it then ?

 

Don't mock ambition, the current owner has none, just like most other clubs, which is what we are back to being, as we were pre-1992.

 

Shame you don't see it.

 

I wouldn't call playing regularly in europe, signing top players that we did, expanding and filling the stadium, "not paying off" but if you do, thats up to you.

 

As for motives, doesn't everybody have their own motives in life, including you ?

 

 

Are we pre-1992 because of the current owners lack of ambition or because of the previous owners wreckless ambition? A combination of both. Ashley is fucking terrible, but to use that fact to paint Shepherd in a good light is just bollocks Leazes, and you know it.

 

The terrifying thing? He doesn't!

 

under 30% of shares doesn't own the club.

 

5th most qualified team for europe, 5th highest average league position, 14th biggest turnover, expaned stadium filled to capacity, attracting top players and managers to the club. Can't argue with facts, if that is terrible, what is now and what is the 87 clubs who would have swapped places with us.

[The Fish 8989]

[Guest]

What top players did we even sign that were a success? Most of the success stories here were players coming from other smaller clubs and making their name here, rarely has signing so called top players actually worked for us, because the majority of them weren't top players but declining players on top wages. Aka trophy signings. Yet that's a good thing?

 

what a load of bollocks.

 

 

Answer the question then?

[Guest]

Leazes... when you mention the fact that we used to sign players like this... could it be argued that Damien Duff was one of those players? Exactly the same, a Chelsea winger leaving them because he is declining. Were you happy signing declining players on inflated wages at great expense to the clubs financial health?

 

you mean like Kieron Dyer, Laurent Robert, Craig Bellamy, James Milner, Charles N'Zogbia, Obafemi Martins, Scott Parker for starters.......remind yourself too that the specific player you mention, Damien Duff, left us for Fulham, yes Fulham, and has just played in a european Final while we have played in the 2nd division.

 

Your "opinion" is trounced by facts mate.

 

 

Boro got to that same European final

 

Martins? The wages such an average player were earning were laughable. Scott Parker? You mean the player that got sold to accommodate Alan Smith by a man appointed by Shepherd? Dyer, paid thousands for 2 games a season? The other players you mentioned were signed by Bobby Robson, the only manager appointed whilst Shepherd was chairman that enjoyed any kind of success. Why talk about a small number of success stories that were clearly an expection to the rule?

 

Sadly, one person owning less than 30% of shares doesn't run a football club on his own and make managerial appointments on his own either.

 

Also unfortunately, no manager appointed by Mike Ashley will get anywhere near the success that Bobby Robson achieved, as did all the managers appointed by the predecessors to the Halls and Shepherd since the 1950's to put things into their correct perspective. Why do you talk about a small number of relative failures during the time of the Halls and Shepherd that were clearly an exception to the rule ?

 

At the end of the day, we were the 5th most successful side during their time owning the club, with the 5th highest average league position, the 5th most qualified team for europe, converted a club that could not be sold for 2.5m quid into one that had the 14th biggest turnover in world football, transformed the stadium into one of the best in the country and filled it every home game, signed world class footballers including breaking the world transfer record, and attracted managers like Bobby Robson to the club in the first place when they were not interested previously preferring to spend his career at a club like Ipswich. All of that from having one foot in the 3rd division when they found it.

 

If you seriously think you can undermine and undervalue all of this, look again at what has happened since they were bought out.

 

 

But they managed to do all that and then fuck it all up though That's the point you're missing. We got the dizzy heights (without any trophies to show for it) but at the end of his reign we had just finished bottom half of the table, had an extortionate wage bill and are, because of their reign, debt ridden. The fact is they did all of those things by taking big financial risks that didn't pay off. The only thing that they can be credited for is ambition, but even then, they had their own motives at heart throughout.

 

so you would rather not attempt it then ?

 

Don't mock ambition, the current owner has none, just like most other clubs, which is what we are back to being, as we were pre-1992.

 

Shame you don't see it.

 

I wouldn't call playing regularly in europe, signing top players that we did, expanding and filling the stadium, "not paying off" but if you do, thats up to you.

 

As for motives, doesn't everybody have their own motives in life, including you ?

 

 

Are we pre-1992 because of the current owners lack of ambition or because of the previous owners wreckless ambition? A combination of both. Ashley is fucking terrible, but to use that fact to paint Shepherd in a good light is just bollocks Leazes, and you know it.

 

The terrifying thing? He doesn't!

 

under 30% of shares doesn't own the club.

 

5th most qualified team for europe, 5th highest average league position, 14th biggest turnover, expaned stadium filled to capacity, attracting top players and managers to the club. Can't argue with facts, if that is terrible, what is now and what is the 87 clubs who would have swapped places with us.

 

 

A fair few of those 87 clubs could have swapped places with us had they chose to go shit-or-bust with future revenue. They had more responsible owners, however.

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes... when you mention the fact that we used to sign players like this... could it be argued that Damien Duff was one of those players? Exactly the same, a Chelsea winger leaving them because he is declining. Were you happy signing declining players on inflated wages at great expense to the clubs financial health?

 

you mean like Kieron Dyer, Laurent Robert, Craig Bellamy, James Milner, Charles N'Zogbia, Obafemi Martins, Scott Parker for starters.......remind yourself too that the specific player you mention, Damien Duff, left us for Fulham, yes Fulham, and has just played in a european Final while we have played in the 2nd division.

 

Your "opinion" is trounced by facts mate.

 

 

Boro got to that same European final

 

Martins? The wages such an average player were earning were laughable. Scott Parker? You mean the player that got sold to accommodate Alan Smith by a man appointed by Shepherd? Dyer, paid thousands for 2 games a season? The other players you mentioned were signed by Bobby Robson, the only manager appointed whilst Shepherd was chairman that enjoyed any kind of success. Why talk about a small number of success stories that were clearly an expection to the rule?

 

Sadly, one person owning less than 30% of shares doesn't run a football club on his own and make managerial appointments on his own either.

 

Also unfortunately, no manager appointed by Mike Ashley will get anywhere near the success that Bobby Robson achieved, as did all the managers appointed by the predecessors to the Halls and Shepherd since the 1950's to put things into their correct perspective. Why do you talk about a small number of relative failures during the time of the Halls and Shepherd that were clearly an exception to the rule ?

 

At the end of the day, we were the 5th most successful side during their time owning the club, with the 5th highest average league position, the 5th most qualified team for europe, converted a club that could not be sold for 2.5m quid into one that had the 14th biggest turnover in world football, transformed the stadium into one of the best in the country and filled it every home game, signed world class footballers including breaking the world transfer record, and attracted managers like Bobby Robson to the club in the first place when they were not interested previously preferring to spend his career at a club like Ipswich. All of that from having one foot in the 3rd division when they found it.

 

If you seriously think you can undermine and undervalue all of this, look again at what has happened since they were bought out.

 

 

But they managed to do all that and then fuck it all up though That's the point you're missing. We got the dizzy heights (without any trophies to show for it) but at the end of his reign we had just finished bottom half of the table, had an extortionate wage bill and are, because of their reign, debt ridden. The fact is they did all of those things by taking big financial risks that didn't pay off. The only thing that they can be credited for is ambition, but even then, they had their own motives at heart throughout.

 

so you would rather not attempt it then ?

 

Don't mock ambition, the current owner has none, just like most other clubs, which is what we are back to being, as we were pre-1992.

 

Shame you don't see it.

 

I wouldn't call playing regularly in europe, signing top players that we did, expanding and filling the stadium, "not paying off" but if you do, thats up to you.

 

As for motives, doesn't everybody have their own motives in life, including you ?

 

 

Are we pre-1992 because of the current owners lack of ambition or because of the previous owners wreckless ambition? A combination of both. Ashley is fucking terrible, but to use that fact to paint Shepherd in a good light is just bollocks Leazes, and you know it.

 

The terrifying thing? He doesn't!

 

under 30% of shares doesn't own the club.

 

5th most qualified team for europe, 5th highest average league position, 14th biggest turnover, expaned stadium filled to capacity, attracting top players and managers to the club. Can't argue with facts, if that is terrible, what is now and what is the 87 clubs who would have swapped places with us.

 

 

A fair few of those 87 clubs could have swapped places with us had they chose to go shit-or-bust with future revenue. They had more responsible owners, however.

 

 

rubbish.

 

You have a "responsible owner" now. I hope you are happy with what has happened on the pitch under his ownership, the resulting fall in revenue, the lack of "trophy players" [laughable] and selling all our best players to smaller clubs than Newcastle United, the 3rd biggest supported club in the country.

 

Newcastle Online is where you should be posting such shite, its full of tossers who also support the balance sheet instead of the football team.

[LeazesMag 0]

What top players did we even sign that were a success? Most of the success stories here were players coming from other smaller clubs and making their name here, rarely has signing so called top players actually worked for us, because the majority of them weren't top players but declining players on top wages. Aka trophy signings. Yet that's a good thing?

 

what a load of bollocks.

 

 

Answer the question then?

 

Please tell us who these "trophy players" are and explain how we would be better off with players such as Ameobi leading the attack. You are aware that Mike Ashley has sold over half a good premiership side since he took over, and replaced them with championship players I take it ?

 

You are a joke lad, all the trophy winners buy top footballers and the best players from smaller clubs, this is how they win the trophies, its the only way to do it. Stick with mediocre players if you like, and mediocrity, true mediocrity not qualifying for europe regularly is precisely what you will get. I suppose you will tell us that Real Madrid signing players like Zidane, Beckham and Ronaldo are "trophy signings" as is Man U signing Rooney, Berbatov and ironically Owen from Newcastle, Spurs signing Defoe, Crouch and Man City buying the players they have done, Chelsea buying Ballack and Ashley Cole and Villa buying Heskey, Carew and Milner for instance. What a crock of shite you are spouting.

 

Isn't the prospect of struggling next season fantastic, seeing the likes of Wigan buying our best players and already clubs like Wolves are buying decent players and trying to improve while you are supporting the shite coming out of NUFC these days.

Edited June 6, 2010 by LeazesMag

[Renton 17744]

Has already signed for Arsenal according to an ITK in my work. He's normally pretty good.

 

Honest to god we could've got this type of player 6 years ago you know. Souness the anti christ.

 

We actually bought quite a lot of players of that calibre. You must have been asleep.

 

 

idiot isn't presumably going to pursue this.............

 

 

Classic case of friendly fire.

 

Has Stevie responded to this yet? If anyone else had called him an idiot I'm fairly sure they would have got a barrel full of cunts in reply.

[Guest]

Leazes... when you mention the fact that we used to sign players like this... could it be argued that Damien Duff was one of those players? Exactly the same, a Chelsea winger leaving them because he is declining. Were you happy signing declining players on inflated wages at great expense to the clubs financial health?

 

you mean like Kieron Dyer, Laurent Robert, Craig Bellamy, James Milner, Charles N'Zogbia, Obafemi Martins, Scott Parker for starters.......remind yourself too that the specific player you mention, Damien Duff, left us for Fulham, yes Fulham, and has just played in a european Final while we have played in the 2nd division.

 

Your "opinion" is trounced by facts mate.

 

 

Boro got to that same European final

 

Martins? The wages such an average player were earning were laughable. Scott Parker? You mean the player that got sold to accommodate Alan Smith by a man appointed by Shepherd? Dyer, paid thousands for 2 games a season? The other players you mentioned were signed by Bobby Robson, the only manager appointed whilst Shepherd was chairman that enjoyed any kind of success. Why talk about a small number of success stories that were clearly an expection to the rule?

 

Sadly, one person owning less than 30% of shares doesn't run a football club on his own and make managerial appointments on his own either.

 

Also unfortunately, no manager appointed by Mike Ashley will get anywhere near the success that Bobby Robson achieved, as did all the managers appointed by the predecessors to the Halls and Shepherd since the 1950's to put things into their correct perspective. Why do you talk about a small number of relative failures during the time of the Halls and Shepherd that were clearly an exception to the rule ?

 

At the end of the day, we were the 5th most successful side during their time owning the club, with the 5th highest average league position, the 5th most qualified team for europe, converted a club that could not be sold for 2.5m quid into one that had the 14th biggest turnover in world football, transformed the stadium into one of the best in the country and filled it every home game, signed world class footballers including breaking the world transfer record, and attracted managers like Bobby Robson to the club in the first place when they were not interested previously preferring to spend his career at a club like Ipswich. All of that from having one foot in the 3rd division when they found it.

 

If you seriously think you can undermine and undervalue all of this, look again at what has happened since they were bought out.

 

 

But they managed to do all that and then fuck it all up though That's the point you're missing. We got the dizzy heights (without any trophies to show for it) but at the end of his reign we had just finished bottom half of the table, had an extortionate wage bill and are, because of their reign, debt ridden. The fact is they did all of those things by taking big financial risks that didn't pay off. The only thing that they can be credited for is ambition, but even then, they had their own motives at heart throughout.

 

so you would rather not attempt it then ?

 

Don't mock ambition, the current owner has none, just like most other clubs, which is what we are back to being, as we were pre-1992.

 

Shame you don't see it.

 

I wouldn't call playing regularly in europe, signing top players that we did, expanding and filling the stadium, "not paying off" but if you do, thats up to you.

 

As for motives, doesn't everybody have their own motives in life, including you ?

 

 

Are we pre-1992 because of the current owners lack of ambition or because of the previous owners wreckless ambition? A combination of both. Ashley is fucking terrible, but to use that fact to paint Shepherd in a good light is just bollocks Leazes, and you know it.

 

The terrifying thing? He doesn't!

 

under 30% of shares doesn't own the club.

 

5th most qualified team for europe, 5th highest average league position, 14th biggest turnover, expaned stadium filled to capacity, attracting top players and managers to the club. Can't argue with facts, if that is terrible, what is now and what is the 87 clubs who would have swapped places with us.

 

 

A fair few of those 87 clubs could have swapped places with us had they chose to go shit-or-bust with future revenue. They had more responsible owners, however.

 

 

rubbish.

 

You have a "responsible owner" now. I hope you are happy with what has happened on the pitch under his ownership, the resulting fall in revenue, the lack of "trophy players" [laughable] and selling all our best players to smaller clubs than Newcastle United, the 3rd biggest supported club in the country.

 

Newcastle Online is where you should be posting such shite, its full of tossers who also support the balance sheet instead of the football team.

 

 

 

And the alternative was to continue to spend money that we didn't have and continue to get into more and more debt. Is that what you would prefer from a current owner, Leazes?

[Guest]

What top players did we even sign that were a success? Most of the success stories here were players coming from other smaller clubs and making their name here, rarely has signing so called top players actually worked for us, because the majority of them weren't top players but declining players on top wages. Aka trophy signings. Yet that's a good thing?

 

what a load of bollocks.

 

 

Answer the question then?

 

Please tell us who these "trophy players" are and explain how we would be better off with players such as Ameobi leading the attack. You are aware that Mike Ashley has sold over half a good premiership side since he took over, and replaced them with championship players I take it ?

 

You are a joke lad, all the trophy winners buy top footballers and the best players from smaller clubs, this is how they win the trophies, its the only way to do it. Stick with mediocre players if you like, and mediocrity, true mediocrity not qualifying for europe regularly is precisely what you will get. I suppose you will tell us that Real Madrid signing players like Zidane, Beckham and Ronaldo are "trophy signings" as is Man U signing Rooney, Berbatov and ironically Owen from Newcastle, Spurs signing Defoe, Crouch and Man City buying the players they have done, Chelsea buying Ballack and Ashley Cole and Villa buying Heskey, Carew and Milner for instance. What a crock of shite you are spouting.

 

Isn't the prospect of struggling next season fantastic, seeing the likes of Wigan buying our best players and already clubs like Wolves are buying decent players and trying to improve while you are supporting the shite coming out of NUFC these days.

 

 

The difference is the clubs you mention sign those players because a) they can afford them and those players want to sign for those clubs and money isn't their motivation for wanting to.

 

 

As you mention Ameobi, I'll mention Owen and Kluivert as trophy players. How much did each cost this club, and was either worth it? The best striker we've had here in the last 15 years (Shearer aside) was signed from Coventry City, not Barcelona, Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool etc. The ambition was there from the last board, alongside stupidity and wrecklessness.

[Guest]

Leazes can you explain whether you think the business model that the previous regime had implemented was sustainable, and what steps they should have taken next had they not been bought out?

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes... when you mention the fact that we used to sign players like this... could it be argued that Damien Duff was one of those players? Exactly the same, a Chelsea winger leaving them because he is declining. Were you happy signing declining players on inflated wages at great expense to the clubs financial health?

 

you mean like Kieron Dyer, Laurent Robert, Craig Bellamy, James Milner, Charles N'Zogbia, Obafemi Martins, Scott Parker for starters.......remind yourself too that the specific player you mention, Damien Duff, left us for Fulham, yes Fulham, and has just played in a european Final while we have played in the 2nd division.

 

Your "opinion" is trounced by facts mate.

 

 

Boro got to that same European final

 

Martins? The wages such an average player were earning were laughable. Scott Parker? You mean the player that got sold to accommodate Alan Smith by a man appointed by Shepherd? Dyer, paid thousands for 2 games a season? The other players you mentioned were signed by Bobby Robson, the only manager appointed whilst Shepherd was chairman that enjoyed any kind of success. Why talk about a small number of success stories that were clearly an expection to the rule?

 

Sadly, one person owning less than 30% of shares doesn't run a football club on his own and make managerial appointments on his own either.

 

Also unfortunately, no manager appointed by Mike Ashley will get anywhere near the success that Bobby Robson achieved, as did all the managers appointed by the predecessors to the Halls and Shepherd since the 1950's to put things into their correct perspective. Why do you talk about a small number of relative failures during the time of the Halls and Shepherd that were clearly an exception to the rule ?

 

At the end of the day, we were the 5th most successful side during their time owning the club, with the 5th highest average league position, the 5th most qualified team for europe, converted a club that could not be sold for 2.5m quid into one that had the 14th biggest turnover in world football, transformed the stadium into one of the best in the country and filled it every home game, signed world class footballers including breaking the world transfer record, and attracted managers like Bobby Robson to the club in the first place when they were not interested previously preferring to spend his career at a club like Ipswich. All of that from having one foot in the 3rd division when they found it.

 

If you seriously think you can undermine and undervalue all of this, look again at what has happened since they were bought out.

 

 

But they managed to do all that and then fuck it all up though That's the point you're missing. We got the dizzy heights (without any trophies to show for it) but at the end of his reign we had just finished bottom half of the table, had an extortionate wage bill and are, because of their reign, debt ridden. The fact is they did all of those things by taking big financial risks that didn't pay off. The only thing that they can be credited for is ambition, but even then, they had their own motives at heart throughout.

 

so you would rather not attempt it then ?

 

Don't mock ambition, the current owner has none, just like most other clubs, which is what we are back to being, as we were pre-1992.

 

Shame you don't see it.

 

I wouldn't call playing regularly in europe, signing top players that we did, expanding and filling the stadium, "not paying off" but if you do, thats up to you.

 

As for motives, doesn't everybody have their own motives in life, including you ?

 

 

Are we pre-1992 because of the current owners lack of ambition or because of the previous owners wreckless ambition? A combination of both. Ashley is fucking terrible, but to use that fact to paint Shepherd in a good light is just bollocks Leazes, and you know it.

 

The terrifying thing? He doesn't!

 

under 30% of shares doesn't own the club.

 

5th most qualified team for europe, 5th highest average league position, 14th biggest turnover, expaned stadium filled to capacity, attracting top players and managers to the club. Can't argue with facts, if that is terrible, what is now and what is the 87 clubs who would have swapped places with us.

 

 

A fair few of those 87 clubs could have swapped places with us had they chose to go shit-or-bust with future revenue. They had more responsible owners, however.

 

 

rubbish.

 

You have a "responsible owner" now. I hope you are happy with what has happened on the pitch under his ownership, the resulting fall in revenue, the lack of "trophy players" [laughable] and selling all our best players to smaller clubs than Newcastle United, the 3rd biggest supported club in the country.

 

Newcastle Online is where you should be posting such shite, its full of tossers who also support the balance sheet instead of the football team.

 

 

 

And the alternative was to continue to spend money that we didn't have and continue to get into more and more debt. Is that what you would prefer from a current owner, Leazes?

 

 

you really ought to have a word with the trophy winning clubs, and tell them how they are getting it all wrong.

[LeazesMag 0]

What top players did we even sign that were a success? Most of the success stories here were players coming from other smaller clubs and making their name here, rarely has signing so called top players actually worked for us, because the majority of them weren't top players but declining players on top wages. Aka trophy signings. Yet that's a good thing?

 

what a load of bollocks.

 

 

Answer the question then?

 

Please tell us who these "trophy players" are and explain how we would be better off with players such as Ameobi leading the attack. You are aware that Mike Ashley has sold over half a good premiership side since he took over, and replaced them with championship players I take it ?

 

You are a joke lad, all the trophy winners buy top footballers and the best players from smaller clubs, this is how they win the trophies, its the only way to do it. Stick with mediocre players if you like, and mediocrity, true mediocrity not qualifying for europe regularly is precisely what you will get. I suppose you will tell us that Real Madrid signing players like Zidane, Beckham and Ronaldo are "trophy signings" as is Man U signing Rooney, Berbatov and ironically Owen from Newcastle, Spurs signing Defoe, Crouch and Man City buying the players they have done, Chelsea buying Ballack and Ashley Cole and Villa buying Heskey, Carew and Milner for instance. What a crock of shite you are spouting.

 

Isn't the prospect of struggling next season fantastic, seeing the likes of Wigan buying our best players and already clubs like Wolves are buying decent players and trying to improve while you are supporting the shite coming out of NUFC these days.

 

 

The difference is the clubs you mention sign those players because a) they can afford them and those players want to sign for those clubs and money isn't their motivation for wanting to.

 

 

As you mention Ameobi, I'll mention Owen and Kluivert as trophy players. How much did each cost this club, and was either worth it? The best striker we've had here in the last 15 years (Shearer aside) was signed from Coventry City, not Barcelona, Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool etc. The ambition was there from the last board, alongside stupidity and wrecklessness.

 

A lot, in fact the majority of NUFC supporters were quite happy with Kluivert. If Owen was a "trophy player", then does it also make him a "trophy player" at ManU, after all he is 4 years older then when we bought him, and he was pretty much the same age as Alan Shearer was when we bought him too, and younger than Les Ferdinand. Are you saying that Shearer and Ferdinand were also "trophy players" and Manu also buy "trophy players" ?

 

Once again, you are full of shite mate.

 

If NUFC can't afford to buy the top footballers, being the 3rd best supported club in the country........give yourself a shake, in your desperate attempts to undermine the last board.

 

Anyway, thats not bad. I asked you to name these numerous "trophy players", and you name a grand total of 2. I'm sure 2 players (and I don't agree with one of them anyway) have had a massive and detrimental effect on the clubs finances and fortunes.

 

[Renton 17744]

Wasn't Owen a free signing on a pay-as-you-play contract at ManU though? Bit of a difference to us. He was undeniably a huge drain on our resources without much end product for us, and plenty of people had the foresight to say so at the time (not me I might add). We really couldn't afford him.

[ChezGiven 0]

Owen was a disaster but only the most mean spirited would assign blame to the chairman or the owners at the time for his lack of success here.

[Renton 17744]

Owen was a disaster but only the most mean spirited would assign blame to the chairman or the owners at the time for his lack of success here.

 

I blame him for Souness though and therefore making a desperate gamble like this seem necessary.

[manc-mag 1]

The key point about top players coming here and then realising the place had standards of professionalism woefully short of what they were used to is a valid one though. Man City are the traditional benchmark when weighing observations of that type.

[Phil 6]

Owen was a disaster but only the most mean spirited would assign blame to the chairman or the owners at the time for his lack of success here.

 

A chairmans job is to run the club responsibly not take risks. While i've never slagged them off for signing Owen as it was a risk worth taking. The terms he was given were irresponsible (105k wages with a 9m get out clause) and the only reason the get out clause wasn't exersized was because he was either crocked or cack.

[Guest]

Leazes... when you mention the fact that we used to sign players like this... could it be argued that Damien Duff was one of those players? Exactly the same, a Chelsea winger leaving them because he is declining. Were you happy signing declining players on inflated wages at great expense to the clubs financial health?

 

you mean like Kieron Dyer, Laurent Robert, Craig Bellamy, James Milner, Charles N'Zogbia, Obafemi Martins, Scott Parker for starters.......remind yourself too that the specific player you mention, Damien Duff, left us for Fulham, yes Fulham, and has just played in a european Final while we have played in the 2nd division.

 

Your "opinion" is trounced by facts mate.

 

 

Boro got to that same European final

 

Martins? The wages such an average player were earning were laughable. Scott Parker? You mean the player that got sold to accommodate Alan Smith by a man appointed by Shepherd? Dyer, paid thousands for 2 games a season? The other players you mentioned were signed by Bobby Robson, the only manager appointed whilst Shepherd was chairman that enjoyed any kind of success. Why talk about a small number of success stories that were clearly an expection to the rule?

 

Sadly, one person owning less than 30% of shares doesn't run a football club on his own and make managerial appointments on his own either.

 

Also unfortunately, no manager appointed by Mike Ashley will get anywhere near the success that Bobby Robson achieved, as did all the managers appointed by the predecessors to the Halls and Shepherd since the 1950's to put things into their correct perspective. Why do you talk about a small number of relative failures during the time of the Halls and Shepherd that were clearly an exception to the rule ?

 

At the end of the day, we were the 5th most successful side during their time owning the club, with the 5th highest average league position, the 5th most qualified team for europe, converted a club that could not be sold for 2.5m quid into one that had the 14th biggest turnover in world football, transformed the stadium into one of the best in the country and filled it every home game, signed world class footballers including breaking the world transfer record, and attracted managers like Bobby Robson to the club in the first place when they were not interested previously preferring to spend his career at a club like Ipswich. All of that from having one foot in the 3rd division when they found it.

 

If you seriously think you can undermine and undervalue all of this, look again at what has happened since they were bought out.

 

 

But they managed to do all that and then fuck it all up though That's the point you're missing. We got the dizzy heights (without any trophies to show for it) but at the end of his reign we had just finished bottom half of the table, had an extortionate wage bill and are, because of their reign, debt ridden. The fact is they did all of those things by taking big financial risks that didn't pay off. The only thing that they can be credited for is ambition, but even then, they had their own motives at heart throughout.

 

so you would rather not attempt it then ?

 

Don't mock ambition, the current owner has none, just like most other clubs, which is what we are back to being, as we were pre-1992.

 

Shame you don't see it.

 

I wouldn't call playing regularly in europe, signing top players that we did, expanding and filling the stadium, "not paying off" but if you do, thats up to you.

 

As for motives, doesn't everybody have their own motives in life, including you ?

 

 

Are we pre-1992 because of the current owners lack of ambition or because of the previous owners wreckless ambition? A combination of both. Ashley is fucking terrible, but to use that fact to paint Shepherd in a good light is just bollocks Leazes, and you know it.

 

The terrifying thing? He doesn't!

 

under 30% of shares doesn't own the club.

 

5th most qualified team for europe, 5th highest average league position, 14th biggest turnover, expaned stadium filled to capacity, attracting top players and managers to the club. Can't argue with facts, if that is terrible, what is now and what is the 87 clubs who would have swapped places with us.

 

 

A fair few of those 87 clubs could have swapped places with us had they chose to go shit-or-bust with future revenue. They had more responsible owners, however.

 

 

rubbish.

 

You have a "responsible owner" now. I hope you are happy with what has happened on the pitch under his ownership, the resulting fall in revenue, the lack of "trophy players" [laughable] and selling all our best players to smaller clubs than Newcastle United, the 3rd biggest supported club in the country.

 

Newcastle Online is where you should be posting such shite, its full of tossers who also support the balance sheet instead of the football team.

 

 

 

And the alternative was to continue to spend money that we didn't have and continue to get into more and more debt. Is that what you would prefer from a current owner, Leazes?

 

 

you really ought to have a word with the trophy winning clubs, and tell them how they are getting it all wrong.

 

 

What? Answer the question?

[Guest]

If NUFC can't afford to buy the top footballers, being the 3rd best supported club in the country........give yourself a shake, in your desperate attempts to undermine the last board.

 

Cringe. Leazes dismissing all of the facts about the current financial state with a counter argument about the size of the club.

Edited June 7, 2010 by AshleysSkidMark

[Guest]

Somebody ring the Glaziers up and tell them to fuck the Man Utd debt off and go on a spending spree because they're the biggest club in the country.

[Andrew 4212]

now I know most will wonder why Im posting this in here but apparently a lad called joe cole has scored for england

[The Fish 8989]

now I know most will wonder why Im posting this in here but apparently a lad called joe cole has scored for england

 

Deserves his own thread? surely?

[Guest The Three Lions]

now I know most will wonder why Im posting this in here but apparently a lad called joe cole has scored for england

 

Deserves his own thread? surely?

It's always funny..........till The Fish gets hold of it.