toonotl 2406 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 The Illermanarty want Assange for crimes against lizards' feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 He's hiding so he doesn't get extradited to the U.S. But he dances like an oddball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) Totally agree in every respect on Assange. Â Â Snowden, too. I like Snowden, although I do wonder about his motivations at times given who he sought out in the first instance. Both classic anti-heroes. Self obsessed, diligent, quasi-moral code, with a hidden desire to take it all on. Hold on a minute..... Edited November 8, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2406 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Both classic anti-heroes. Self obsessed, diligent, quasi-moral code, with a hidden desire to take it all on. Hold on a minute..... Â The Shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 people who got caught doing stuff aren't #1 at anything, he's a bum Why be so harsh on a geek brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2406 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 Jealousy is a terrible curse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 Except to say that Assange has made himself available before leaving Sweden and since. He's tried repeatedly to answer questions. Sweden have sent prosecutors to the UK 44 times before to question suspects. Â Their refusal to do so here is what makes it political, all about extradition to the US and why it's arbitrary detention, despite those detaining him obviously denying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) But he dances like an oddball. This Comey is a piece of work....Jeez! Â NSA, FBI, Whitewater...Yes Whitewater....HSBC, Clinton Foundation, Berger Investigation, Lockheed Martin..........The only thing not on the list is Haiti. Â If the Clinton's were allowed to choose a guy to investigate them it would probably be him. Edited November 8, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26192 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016  A pro-Kremlin political analyst with close ties to the Putin-led state has claimed Russian forces may have "helped a bit" with recent email disclosures from WikiLeaks – an admission that will only fuel speculation about a co-ordinated effort to influence the 2016 presidential election.  Sergey Markov, previously described as an "informal adviser" to Russian President Vladimir Putin, spoke out following the rise to power of Donald Trump, who successfully won the US presidency on 9 November after facing off against Democratic Party nominee Hillary Clinton.  http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/was-russia-cahoots-wikileaks-over-democrat-emails-maybe-we-helped-bit-admits-putin-insider-1590894  HF, if the Russian state was behind the leak handed to Wikileaks, do you still believe that they should have released them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30260 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Another victory for democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Another victory for democracy  Let's be honest, democracy is failing us all anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26192 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 How has it failed you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/was-russia-cahoots-wikileaks-over-democrat-emails-maybe-we-helped-bit-admits-putin-insider-1590894  HF, if the Russian state was behind the leak handed to Wikileaks, do you still believe that they should have released them?  :lol: No no no, RT are not a state run propaganda machine, they told us that the Russians had nothing to do with it and this was PROOF that Clinton was a liar.  Fucking hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 How has it failed you? Â Oh ffs ewerk, I can only give an entirely subjective answer to that so what's the point? It's delivering us right wing populism, the gateway drug to fascism, because it is dominated by a group of totally out of touch fuckwits who have made the system so impenetrable, in order to ensure their power, that they're intransigent to the concerns of people at large. How about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 :lol: No no no, RT are not a state run propaganda machine, they told us that the Russians had nothing to do with it and this was PROOF that Clinton was a liar.  Fucking hell.  RT are a state run propaganda machine, the Russians did have something to do with it, and Clinton is also a liar. Just for clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) IBTimes. Â The TT Neo-Lib, ex-Blairite, Neo-Imperial apologists hit back! Â Someone said summink might have happened somewhere. Edited November 11, 2016 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26192 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Oh ffs ewerk, I can only give an entirely subjective answer to that so what's the point? It's delivering us right wing populism, the gateway drug to fascism, because it is dominated by a group of totally out of touch fuckwits who have made the system so impenetrable, in order to ensure their power, that they're intransigent to the concerns of people at large. How about that?  I was asking you to be subjective. It seems that most of us on here have done fairly well from democracy. To say that it is failing us all is untrue.  Into the liars' column you go, along with Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I was asking you to be subjective. It seems that most of us on here have done fairly well from democracy. To say that it is failing us all is untrue.  Into the liars' column you go, along with Clinton.  Ah, you're confusing the past with the present. Unless you think we're on the cusp of doing really well out of what is happening now? I said it was failing us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 RT are a state run propaganda machine, the Russians did have something to do with it, and Clinton is also a liar. Just for clarity.  All politicians are economical with the truth but she didnt make up the story about Russia to try and deflect from the truth, as per Assange and Pilger.  Also, you are missing the real point here. This shows you who was being played, who was driving the story, where it came from (not just Russia), what it was designed to do and how you should now look at every single element of the story through a new perspective. If that's not immediately obvious, it should be. Of course there was wrong doing, no one denies that.  This story was never meant for the MSM, it was designed to live on social media, the people behind the propaganda didnt care about whether the message cut through the rational and accountable journalism of CNN, the BBC and others. This was designed to play through Facebook, blogs, twitter, where rhetoric and aspersion are reinforced through opinion. And RT  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 IBTimes.  The TT Neo-Lib, ex-Blairite, Neo-Imperial apologists hit back!  Someone said summink might have happened somewhere.  You were the one being played. They targeted you and those like you. This was a strategy and it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 People wonder why the polls don't work apart from those who are busy ignoring them and working on viral propaganda and the beautifully compliant social media feeds to spread the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Fair enough Chez, I can see that argument. Russian meddling is particularly distasteful and in fairness, there is evidence to suggest that these leaks made the difference. Â With that said, I don't think it explains away the whole issue. I expected Trump to lose, but I thought we'd be facing something worse in 4 years time given how things are heading - Clinton winning was not going to make this problem go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26192 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Ah, you're confusing the past with the present. Unless you think we're on the cusp of doing really well out of what is happening now? I said it was failing us. Â The world is not coming to an end. We should not be stockpiling food and water. There will be no revolution to be televised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 The world is not coming to an end. We should not be stockpiling food and water. There will be no revolution to be televised. Â Well now you're just taking it to extremes. We can only use the word 'fail' in apocalyptic scenarios? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26192 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 You're the one going OTT. Democracy is working just as it's supposed to. You just don't like the answers that it's coming up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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