Kevin Carr's Gloves 3194 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 And again. How can an organisation with such high moral aspirations justify peddling such a blatantly false statement? Don't go questioning wikileaks for gods sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Have to agree mind, 'detained' is hardly the accurate way of putting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30383 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I bet they're fucking sick of him now at the Ecuadorian Embassy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) Just wondering how pissed off he'd be if he eventually gave in, left, we sent him to Sweden, and they dismissed the case against him He'd have spent 6 years in self induced prison for nothing. Edited December 7, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 Have to agree mind, 'detained' is hardly the accurate way of putting it. It's how the UN put it, and refused to go back on after the UK appealed the ruling. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/30/un-panel-upholds-decision-julian-assanges-detainme/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 Just wondering how pissed off he'd be if he eventually gave in, left, we sent him to Sweden, and they dismissed the case against him He'd have spent 6 years in self induced prison for nothing. The 'rape' case against him is not what he's worried about. There's no chance that would come to anything. See today's release of the texts from the 'victim' http://www.inquisitr.com/3775914/do-new-sms-records-prove-julian-assange-was-framed-by-police/ Once he was in Sweden they would extradite to the US. That's the worry. That he ends up suffering the same torture as Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Fair enough on the UN ruling actually. With both posts I think I just meant that it is possible that this is largely in his head though. Sweden might not want to extradite him, and he could have lost the last 6 years for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26292 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) Once he was in Sweden they would extradite to the US. That's the worry. That he ends up facing trial for the crimes that he obviously committed. FYP Edited December 8, 2016 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 FYP You mean the same crimes as the Washington post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Seems clear to me, as much as the bloke comes across as a tit and has played with fire in the US election, doesnt look like he would be convicted in a fair trial. He does seem very desperate though, so as much as the idea that he was being framed makes sense, so does the idea that he was using Wikileaks to get Trump into power as a tactic for himself rather than the world. Which makes him a hypocrite. From his perspective, its obvious to attack Clinton as a calculation that if she loses, her opponent will recognise the role and the threat of living the rest of his life in a US prison diminishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 Fair enough on the UN ruling actually. With both posts I think I just meant that it is possible that this is largely in his head though. Sweden might not want to extradite him, and he could have lost the last 6 years for nothing. There definitely is a grand jury criminal investigation on the go in the US against Assange/Wikileaks. It was revealed years ago but they still refuse to say whether that investigation will lead to any criminal charge, despite all the years it's been public knowledge and all the requests for a decision either way. Sweden will not guarantee they won't extradite him either. Other journalist to have disseminated information from leakers have had guarantees and been able to move freely. So in the Snowden case, only Snowden (the whistleblower) remains at risk (wrongly). Journalists that met Snowden initially and wrote about the leak have had guarantees they will not face any charges. Wikileaks are singled out as a publisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26292 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 You mean the same crimes as the Washington post? Nope. Unless you want to explain to me how they both committed the same crimes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 Nope. Unless you want to explain to me how they both committed the same crimes? I don't think either committed any crime. Was hoping you would elucidate on his 'obvious' crimes and how they were distinct from other publishers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26292 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 If you honestly can't see a difference then there's no point in me continuing the discussion with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 If you honestly can't see a difference then there's no point in me continuing the discussion with you. To be fair to you, that would probably be the extent of the prosecution case if Assange ever got to a US court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26292 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 It's amazing that an otherwise intelligent and rational man such as yourself can be so blinded by this particular issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 http://www.alternet.org/rss/breaking_news/1003054/does_the_us_have_a_case_against_julian_assange Irrational Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26292 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Alternet - There's a terribly impartial source of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 This must the the 10th time HF has explained this to you lot. He's worried about getting rendered to the U.S. not the trumped up charges in Sweden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26292 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 There is absolutely no one on here who doesn't get that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Sure I get that point, so I do. Not convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I spoke to him a few weeks ago and put him straight on adding a bit of tom puree into the pot noodle before the hot water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26292 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Chelsea Manning to be freed in May after Obama has commuted most of her sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26292 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Ohhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 "The White House said the Manning commutation was not influenced in any way by Mr Assange's extradition offer." So I assume it's not relevant. I wonder though if Assange is tired of his situation and looking get on with it anyway. He should hang a Snowden pardon on the offer now instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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