How tall are you and what weight are you, Sugartits?

[Dr Gloom 2,925]

not disputing that keto/atkins is a good way to torch calories in a short period of time. i've just never been able to sustain it for more than a few weeks. i enjoy pizza, bread and beer too much

[Renton 2,056]

5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

not disputing that keto/atkins is a good way to torch calories in a short period of time. i've just never been able to sustain it for more than a few weeks. i enjoy pizza, bread and beer too much

And you're a veggie aren't you? I see an issue here.....

[Gemmill 2,745]

I must admit I'm fucking gutted I'm not gonna be piling into my sourdough every week. And I had had plans for homemade sourdough pizza bases. But that is exactly why I'll be as fat as a fucking pig again in 6 months. 

 

There are keto ways of making pizza bases though so I'll give that a go. 

 

Renty babes if you want to shift weight in a hurry, this fast 800 thing really works and is way easier to do than it would appear. I'm doing it cos I know that otherwise I'm gonna be on miserable calorie restrictions until Christmas at the earliest. Or I can just do this and shift a stone and a half in 3 to 4 weeks. 

[Gemmill 2,745]

21 minutes ago, Renton said:

Fair enough,.just to point out that the research is observational so you can't really draw conclusions on causality. It's frustrating but diet research tends to be garbage. Agree about calorie counting too but I suspect a lot of your weight loss will actually be down to you de facto reducing your calorie count.

 

I need to lose weight like. Stopping beer at the weekend is too difficult at the moment, so I've decided to exercise more. I'm walking 5 miles a day including as many inclines as I can. I'm almost tempted to start running but getting showered and changed is a big issue. 

 

Forgot to say I bought a treadmill. I fucking love it. It came with an ifit subscription so I get some dude on the screen basically leading you a run through somewhere that's actually nice. The run that he's doing controls the treadmill, so incline and speed changes aitomatically based on the terrain. Shit like this:

 

 

 

[Dr Gloom 2,925]

13 minutes ago, Renton said:

And you're a veggie aren't you? I see an issue here.....

i'm veggie, yeah. so low carb/high protein is possible, but the endless eggs, avocados and protein shakes get boring very quickly. 

reducing portion size and booze, cutting junk food and increasing exercise beats any fad diet going, if you ask me.

[Alex 5,581]

4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

i'm veggie, yeah. so low carb/high protein is possible, but the endless eggs, avocados and protein shakes get boring very quickly. 

reducing portion size and booze, cutting junk food and increasing exercise beats any fad diet going, if you ask me.

So I’m only going wrong in three areas 

[Dr Gloom 2,925]

Everything in moderation - and occasionally in excess 

[Christmas Tree 153]

2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Everything in moderation - and occasionally in excess 

In an ideal world that would be ok but the vast majority of people don’t do macros, exercise or pay as close attention as you do to what they consume. 
 

We were basically told in the 70’s that real fat such as butter, cream etc was bad and instead the worlds populations were shifted on to high carb diets. Obesity grew out of control so they invented all these “low fat” products that are full of carbs and crammed with sugars. More obesity.

 

Then theres the problem of the “rush” carbs give you but a couple of hours later you feel hungry again.

 

Good fats are good. The medics of the 70’s got it wrong. They also leave you feeling fuller for longer which is why it’s so easy to fast. You can’t help but fast.

 

Ive tried all the diets that get you counting calories but they are miserable and therefore guaranteed yo-yo.

 

Keto or low carb should be prescribed by every doctor to every overweight patient (medical conditions allowing) and we would soon have a very healthy world and save trillions.

 

But what is the NHS’s great new plan to tackle obesity? Put people on soups and shakes for 6 months..... Madness.

 

Typically noted from people on Keto:

 

Weight goes, energy rises, mental clarity improves and cravings disappear..... All while suckling on squirty cream

[Dr Gloom 2,925]

you can maintain a calorie deficit through regular exercise, eating sensibly and basic portion control though. you don't have to count every calorie. 

i'm not convinced a diet loaded with animal fats is going to be good for you long term. 

[Dr Gloom 2,925]

i don't dispute that good fats are good, incidentally - avocados, olive oil, nuts, peanut butter etc are all great. a low fat diet is definitely not the way to go. 

i'm just not sure a diet that is super high in saturated fats, such as butter, cheese or fatty meats, is going to be that good for your cholesterol. 

ultimately, if you do enough exercise, you can more or less eat what you want and still look and feel good. but long term, i dunno. obesity is a killer - if keto keeps you in shape, maybe the potential cholesterol risk is worth it. 

 

 

Edited September 21, 2020 by Dr Gloom

[Renton 2,056]

58 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

In an ideal world that would be ok but the vast majority of people don’t do macros, exercise or pay as close attention as you do to what they consume. 
 

We were basically told in the 70’s that real fat such as butter, cream etc was bad and instead the worlds populations were shifted on to high carb diets. Obesity grew out of control so they invented all these “low fat” products that are full of carbs and crammed with sugars. More obesity.

 

Then theres the problem of the “rush” carbs give you but a couple of hours later you feel hungry again.

 

Good fats are good. The medics of the 70’s got it wrong. They also leave you feeling fuller for longer which is why it’s so easy to fast. You can’t help but fast.

 

Ive tried all the diets that get you counting calories but they are miserable and therefore guaranteed yo-yo.

 

Keto or low carb should be prescribed by every doctor to every overweight patient (medical conditions allowing) and we would soon have a very healthy world and save trillions.

 

But what is the NHS’s great new plan to tackle obesity? Put people on soups and shakes for 6 months..... Madness.

 

Typically noted from people on Keto:

 

Weight goes, energy rises, mental clarity improves and cravings disappear..... All while suckling on squirty cream

 

There's really good evidence from an RCT recently published that shakes can be used successfully for rapid weight loss, type 2 diabetes can go in remission, and this can be maintained with ongoing support. The NHS bases its recommendations on clinical evidence, not anecdotes, and this is the highest level of evidence there is.

 

But fine, you've watched a few videos on Facebook and YouTube and now you know more than professors in the field. Makes sense. 

[Christmas Tree 153]

7 hours ago, Renton said:

 

There's really good evidence from an RCT recently published that shakes can be used successfully for rapid weight loss, type 2 diabetes can go in remission, and this can be maintained with ongoing support. The NHS bases its recommendations on clinical evidence, not anecdotes, and this is the highest level of evidence there is.

 

But fine, you've watched a few videos on Facebook and YouTube and now you know more than professors in the field. Makes sense. 

Im sorry, but my days of long winded back on forths on here are over. Suffice to say a lot of “professors” are finding a lot of health benefits from a Keto diet. Even in Great Ormonde street it’s been prescribed for kids under 16 to help them manage their epilepsy medicine free.

 

Maybe give it a go and see for yourself

 

[Meenzer 3,885]

Here's a thought: what if it's possible that different things work differently for different people?

 

On second thoughts, nah, it'll never catch on.

[Renton 2,056]

1 hour ago, Christmas Tree said:

Im sorry, but my days of long winded back on forths on here are over. Suffice to say a lot of “professors” are finding a lot of health benefits from a Keto diet. Even in Great Ormonde street it’s been prescribed for kids under 16 to help them manage their epilepsy medicine free.

 

Maybe give it a go and see for yourself

 

The treatment for epilepsy, which i know about, is a complete red herring here.

 

I've  looked and i cant find any experimental evidence this diet works. Might have missed it and happy to be corrected mind.There is very good evidence fasting works though, which you've dismissed as the NHS doesn't know what its tallking about. You've also suggested the keto diet can cure type 1 diabetes which is both ridiculous amd frankly dangerous. You're clearly getting your information from some very dubious sources.

 

The overall opinion from dieticians seems to me that this diet isnt sustainable and the long term effects aren't known but potentially dangerous. This would fit with my personal observations and with your past dieting behaviour. Dr Atkins was clinically obese when died btw. 

[Monkeys Fist 6,975]

2 hours ago, Christmas Tree said:

Im sorry, but my days of long winded back on forths on here are over.

 

2020 is beginning to look up…  

[Kitman 556]

10 hours ago, Renton said:

The treatment for epilepsy, which i know about, is a complete red herring here.

 

I've  looked and i cant find any experimental evidence this diet works. Might have missed it and happy to be corrected mind.There is very good evidence fasting works though, which you've dismissed as the NHS doesn't know what its tallking about. You've also suggested the keto diet can cure type 1 diabetes which is both ridiculous amd frankly dangerous. You're clearly getting your information from some very dubious sources.

 

The overall opinion from dieticians seems to me that this diet isnt sustainable and the long term effects aren't known but potentially dangerous. This would fit with my personal observations and with your past dieting behaviour. Dr Atkins was clinically obese when died btw. 

And he probably had bad breath too

[Renton 2,056]

Americans eat huge amounts of meat don't they? I'd say its probably true to have a good diet you need to do the opposite of them. Same applies to CT come to think of it.

 

Cut down on meat, but also cut down on carbs, particularly sugars derived from corn syrup. in fact ditch sugar completely. Eat more salad, veg, and fruit. I'll need some convincing the keto diet is more beneficial than a Mediterranean diet personally. 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Renton

[Ant 332]

haven't read it but see the wall of text, i assume CT is on another diet craze/fad , people are telling him just to eat less and exercise a bit, which he's ignoring and saying "no this is the one! I'm back down to 32" waist again"

 

I need to do something myself, thankfully with WFH i'm not eating as much crap on the go as I would be in work between meetings, and likewise the lockdown meant we had less options for lazy takeaways or none at all for weeks, so my lack of exercise i'd normally have with sport/gym was offset.

 

noticed my resting heart rate has just steadily increased since march though into the 60s so need to get back to doing something, ran the odd 5k but it just bores the shit outta me , going need to get some weights or something for the house or a decent bike to sit on while in meetings.

[Ayatollah Hermione 3,694]

Had a look at that Fast 800 action since lockdown done me in and I just haven’t recovered really. I’ll only consider a Mediterranean diet if I can drink red wine, make outdated sexual comments about the women serving me in bars and smoke 60 a day

[Gemmill 2,745]

1 hour ago, Renton said:

Americans eat huge amounts of meat don't they? I'd say its probably true to have a good diet you need to do the opposite of them. Same applies to CT come to think of it.

 

Cut down on meat, but also cut down on carbs, particularly sugars derived from corn syrup. in fact ditch sugar completely. Eat more salad, veg, and fruit. I'll need some convincing the keto diet is more beneficial than a Mediterranean diet personally. 

 

I mean Americans eat more processed carbs than anywhere else on the planet. That's the source of their problems, not meat. Anyway get out on your walk, you fat cunt. 

[Renton 2,056]

 

I was literallly just thinking I can't be arsed today. But cheers for that, Mr Motivator, I'm putting my walking shoes on now. 

[Gemmill 2,745]

 No probs. Billy no calories was on the treadmill at 7:30am burning off 500 of his 800 calorie intake for the day. I could practically hear Roy Castle playing his trumpet and praising my dedication from beyond the grave. 

[Ayatollah Hermione 3,694]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

 No probs. Billy no calories was on the treadmill at 7:30am burning off 500 of his 800 calorie intake for the day. I could practically hear Roy Castle playing his trumpet and praising my dedication from beyond the grave. 

You dirty bastard 

[TheGingerQuiff 1,626]

800 calories that rapid weight loss will be your body eating it's muscles

Edited September 22, 2020 by TheGingerQuiff

[Gemmill 2,745]

6.9kg total lost so far. 4.7kg of it is fat. Some of the rest will be water. If there's a bit of muscle in it, I'm fine to have shifted that much fat. 

 

Add yourself to the "fuck you" list.