How tall are you and what weight are you, Sugartits?

[Dr Gloom 26064]

i pissed about with fasting when it was fashionable a few years back - not for me but plenty of people swear by it so if it works for you, why not?

 

i would say the same about keto, atkins and all the other fads out there. long term results come through understanding the basic laws of thermodynamics and implementing eating habits and exercise that you can maintain without hating your life. 

 

my diet consists of around 80% home-cooked, whole foods. i don't completely demonise processed foods and i allow myself to eat out and enjoy the odd treat at the weekend. 

 

consistency is key. fad diets rarely work long-term. 

 

 

 

 

[RobinRobin 14353]

11 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

consistency is key. fad diets rarely work long-term. 

 

@Christmas Tree has left the chat. 🙂 

[Andrew 7284]

14 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

i pissed about with fasting when it was fashionable a few years back - not for me but plenty of people swear by it so if it works for you, why not?

 

i would say the same about keto, atkins and all the other fads out there. long term results come through understanding the basic laws of thermodynamics and implementing eating habits and exercise that you can maintain without hating your life. 

 

my diet consists of around 80% home-cooked, whole foods. i don't completely demonise processed foods and i allow myself to eat out and enjoy the odd treat at the weekend. 

 

consistency is key. fad diets rarely work long-term. 

Which is why no one who isn't trying to sell you stuff really recommends them.

The drop off rate from the extremity of the rules and the lack of knowledge you gain on how to maintain after you hit a goal weight means most people just rebound as soon as they're done.

[Gemmill 61822]

It is worth pointing out though that someone who has always been very into fitness and someone who, by his own admission, finds it very hard to gain weight, will have a different experience with weight and diet than most other people. 

[Andrew 7284]

It is to an extent.

Experience and knowledge don't necessarily match up one to one though, I am qualified enough to advise people on this if they're actually willing to listen.

 

I'm not talking about my experience, I'm talking about well known common knowledge within the fitness and nutrition space. IF is a short term win at best.

[Dr Gloom 26064]

1 hour ago, Gemmill said:

It is worth pointing out though that someone who has always been very into fitness and someone who, by his own admission, finds it very hard to gain weight, will have a different experience with weight and diet than most other people. 

I put on a bit of weight in my 20s. It’s what kicked me into gear to get in shape in the first place. My weight would yo-yo for a few years until I figured it out. I tried everything - Atkins, fasting, weight training, cardio, HIIT, spinning - the lot. 
 

The truth is you don’t have to be a gym rat to get in shape. It helps and I love resistance training but for someone like CT it really is as simple as calories in v calories out.

 

Portion control, sensible food choices (for the majority of the time) + consistency = results 

[Christmas Tree 6557]

14 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I put on a bit of weight in my 20s. It’s what kicked me into gear to get in shape in the first place. My weight would yo-yo for a few years until I figured it out. I tried everything - Atkins, fasting, weight training, cardio, HIIT, spinning - the lot. 
 

The truth is you don’t have to be a gym rat to get in shape. It helps and I love resistance training but for someone like CT it really is as simple as calories in v calories out.

 

Portion control, sensible food choices (for the majority of the time) + consistency = results 

The science is very simple but life isn’t, hence why weight health issues are such a massive problem the world over.  

There are plenty of people even just on here who are overweight and are just desperate to get it off in whatever way they think will work for them whether that’s fasting, injections or some other diet.

 

I eat a fairly healthy diet, majority whole foods, however my particular downfall has always been snacking on an evening. Couple of biscuits here, packet of crisps, then maybe a quick sarnie before bed. It’s pure habit not hunger.

 

And yesI could eat healthier snacks but that’s not always possible, particularly in a larger family home where all the bad stuff is still lurking. 
 

Basically, I’ve seen quite a few cardiologists recommending fasting as a good method to make quick inroads into weight loss hence why I’m giving it a go.

 

 

[Gemmill 61822]

20 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Basically, I’ve seen quite a few cardiologists recommending fasting as a good method to make quick inroads into weight loss hence why I’m giving it a go.

 

I'm not arguing against IF, but if one of the cardiologists in question is Aseem Malhotra, the bloke is a fucking charlatan so I would advise turning off from his patter. 

 

He's a cardiologist, but he's also the bloke that spoke at the recent Reform conference and suggested King Charles's cancer was possibly caused by the covid vaccine. He's a fucking plum basically. 

 

He's probably be Farage's equivalent of RFK Jr if Reform won the election. 

[Gemmill 61822]

"The Hacker's Diet" is the thing that opened my eyes to it being a very simple case of calories in v calories out.

 

It's not a diet btw, it's just a programmer who took a very logical approach to weight loss and weighing yourself using a rolling average approach to cut out all the noise 

 

Worth a look, CT. 

 

HOWEVER! 

 

Despite the fact that I understand this intellectually, we have big bags of Cadbury Buttons in the fridge. My lass is disciplined enough to have FIVE with a cup of tea every night after her tea as her "treat". 

 

I eat at least 5 every time I open the fridge door, and I've swallowed the cunts before I've even shut the fridge door.

 

I need them to not be in the house or I'm fucked basically. 

 

Edited October 11 by Gemmill

[Dr Gloom 26064]

9 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

The science is very simple but life isn’t, hence why weight health issues are such a massive problem the world over.  

There are plenty of people even just on here who are overweight and are just desperate to get it off in whatever way they think will work for them whether that’s fasting, injections or some other diet.

 

I eat a fairly healthy diet, majority whole foods, however my particular downfall has always been snacking on an evening. Couple of biscuits here, packet of crisps, then maybe a quick sarnie before bed. It’s pure habit not hunger.

 

And yesI could eat healthier snacks but that’s not always possible, particularly in a larger family home where all the bad stuff is still lurking. 
 

Basically, I’ve seen quite a few cardiologists recommending fasting as a good method to make quick inroads into weight loss hence why I’m giving it a go.

 

 

hey man, if it works for you, fair play. Like I say, I know people who swear by it and if it stops you piling on unnecessary calories in the evening in front of the telly because you’re in a fasting window maybe it is the right fit for you. 

 

The evening snacking you describe absolutely does destroy results. My breakthrough came, after many years of trying different things, when I forced myself to stop snacking because I was bored and only eat when I’m hungry - listen to your body, in other words. It does take discipline and consistency. 
 

I’m not saying don’t ever eat those foods btw. I could eat crisps every day but I hold them back for the weekend. Same goes for malteasers - my favourite junk food - which I reserve as a Friday night treat alongside a glass of scotch. 

[RobinRobin 14353]

38 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 a Friday night treat alongside a glass of scotch. 

[Christmas Tree 6557]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

"The Hacker's Diet" is the thing that opened my eyes to it being a very simple case of calories in v calories out.

 

It's not a diet btw, it's just a programmer who took a very logical approach to weight loss and weighing yourself using a rolling average approach to cut out all the noise 

 

Worth a look, CT. 

 

HOWEVER! 

 

Despite the fact that I understand this intellectually, we have big bags of Cadbury Buttons in the fridge. My lass is disciplined enough to have FIVE with a cup of tea every night after her tea as her "treat". 

 

I eat at least 5 every time I open the fridge door, and I've swallowed the cunts before I've even shut the fridge door.

 

I need them to not be in the house or I'm fucked basically. 

 

  

 

Aye that’s me, if I lived alone there would be no crap in the house. If it’s there, I’m in.

 

[Christmas Tree 6557]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

 

I'm not arguing against IF, but if one of the cardiologists in question is Aseem Malhotra, the bloke is a fucking charlatan so I would advise turning off from his patter. 

The main guy I was listening to was called Dr Pradeep Jamnadas who was on that Diary of a ceo podcast. (He may also be a charlatan  ), but he seemed to be talking a lot of sense.

 

[Dr Gloom 26064]

Sean Casey is worth a follow (the online coach not the ITK wanker).

 

I pretty much adhere to his principles. Don’t completely cut out the foods you really enjoy or demonise them because it never works long term and you make life miserable. Instead try to incorporate them into a sensible plan you can stick to. 
 

For example, I love bread, pasta and rice and hated low carb diets for that reason. But there is nothing wrong with any of those foods and it’s wrong to suggest otherwise. 

 

I eat sourdough and pasta or rice every day and make pizza ever weekend and I have never been in better shape.
 

That’s because I understand that losing or maintaining body fat is about portion control and macronutrients. If you’re eating roughly 30g of protein with every meal, plus one snack - while sticking to your deficit or maintenance calories - you can’t go wrong.  

Edited October 11 by Dr Gloom

[Dr Gloom 26064]

2 hours ago, RobinRobin said:

don’t knock it. Whisky and malteasers are a wickedly good combination  

[Christmas Tree 6557]

21 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

For example, I love bread, pasta and rice and hated low carb diets for that reason. But there is nothing wrong with any of those foods and it’s wrong to suggest otherwise. 

 

I eat sourdough and pasta or rice every day and make pizza ever weekend and I have never been in better shape.

Interesting that as I’ve just been watching a video by this Heart Surgeon and he basically says the exact opposite on those food stuffs. Those and 5 a day fruit. Biggest causes of Diabetes and coronary problems. Would call you a TOFI - Thin Outside Fat Inside  

 

Not that I’m saying he’s right btw. It was just interesting reading that after watching him.

 

I don’t expect anyone to watch this, however it was a very interesting lecture on why so many illnesses can be traced back to the diet. Particularly how the 3 meals and two snacks a day routine keeps your insulin spiked all day, and that this constant high insulin leads to all the problems.

 

As I said, very interesting and technical video, but I was up at 5 and had nowt else to do.

 

 

 

[Dr Gloom 26064]

24 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Interesting that as I’ve just been watching a video by this Heart Surgeon and he basically says the exact opposite on those food stuffs. Those and 5 a day fruit. Biggest causes of Diabetes and coronary problems. Would call you a TOFI - Thin Outside Fat Inside  

 

Not that I’m saying he’s right btw. It was just interesting reading that after watching him.

 

I don’t expect anyone to watch this, however it was a very interesting lecture on why so many illnesses can be traced back to the diet. Particularly how the 3 meals and two snacks a day routine keeps your insulin spiked all day, and that this constant high insulin leads to all the problems.

 

As I said, very interesting and technical video, but I was up at 5 and had nowt else to do.

 

 

 

We’ve been eating bread for centuries. Real bread has three ingredients (two if you’re eating sourdough). Bread is not to blame for the recent spike in heart disease, cancer and obesity.
 

I didn’t watch the video but bread and rice can absolutely be incorporated into a healthy diet and lifestyle. 

[Ayatollah Hermione 17015]

It would take the effort of God himself to stop me eating bread. ESPECIALLY in soup season 

[Christmas Tree 6557]

3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

We’ve been eating bread for centuries. Real bread has three ingredients (two if you’re eating sourdough). Bread is not to blame for the recent spike in heart disease, cancer and obesity.
 

I didn’t watch the video but bread and rice can absolutely be incorporated into a healthy diet and lifestyle. 

His angle was basically it was in the mid 1800’s when we started turning stuff into flour by removing the bran and germ and fucking up bread. 
 

With white rice it was something about the Arsenic content and the fiber being removed during the refining process.

 

On a separate note, my son’s football team was away to Darlington in the cup. Superb ground for under 16’s football with proper dugouts, stands and floodlights.

 

More importantly. Glorious sunshine and a beautiful bar selling ice cold beer. Different world altogether watching kids footy with a pint  

 

 

[trophyshy 8913]

[Christmas Tree 6557]

18 days in and this has been pretty life changing so far. Still eating once a day between 6 and 8 pm and found it incredibly easy. Coffee and peppermint tea with sachrins has been replaced by decaf green tea, no sweeteners. My sweet sugar craving disappeared within days and because I eat so well in my “window”, no interest in snacking later on.

 

Even when eating time comes around, I’m not really that hungry, so as a test I decided following Fridays meal to fast until I was hungry. That turned out to be 4pm this afternoon, 44 hours later. 

 

@Dr Gloom I’m not sure how long you fast were, but last night I started to feel like I had spidey senses  Continued today and never felt so switched on or calm.

 

Anyway, no special diet other than whole foods and my two pints on pub night. Quite enjoying proper cooking again as well.

 

10lbs down.

[Dr Gloom 26064]

12 hours ago, Christmas Tree said:

18 days in and this has been pretty life changing so far. Still eating once a day between 6 and 8 pm and found it incredibly easy. Coffee and peppermint tea with sachrins has been replaced by decaf green tea, no sweeteners. My sweet sugar craving disappeared within days and because I eat so well in my “window”, no interest in snacking later on.

 

Even when eating time comes around, I’m not really that hungry, so as a test I decided following Fridays meal to fast until I was hungry. That turned out to be 4pm this afternoon, 44 hours later. 

 

@Dr Gloom I’m not sure how long you fast were, but last night I started to feel like I had spidey senses  Continued today and never felt so switched on or calm.

 

Anyway, no special diet other than whole foods and my two pints on pub night. Quite enjoying proper cooking again as well.

 

10lbs down.

I did the 12pm-8pm eating window, and the 8pm-12pm fast - fairly standard I think. It didn’t work for me - I wound suffer from low blood sugar which left me feeling lethargic, irritable and my training suffered as a result - but if it works for you, keep it up. 
 

The underlying principles of thermodynamics are still what matter when it comes to losing fat, whether you prefer to fast or not. 

[Christmas Tree 6557]

6 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

I did the 12pm-8pm eating window, and the 8pm-12pm fast - fairly standard I think. It didn’t work for me - I wound suffer from low blood sugar which left me feeling lethargic, irritable and my training suffered as a result - but if it works for you, keep it up. 
 

The underlying principles of thermodynamics are still what matter when it comes to losing fat, whether you prefer to fast or not. 

Aye, that timing wouldn’t have been long enough to get you into autography or Ketosis.
 

The bit of science that catches my attention is that each time you eat, your insulin spikes and that it is the insulin that is causing so many of today’s issues, whether your fat or thin.

 

Our whole metabolic system is not designed to cope with 3 meals a day and a few snacks.

 

Anyway, there’s hope for the 32 inch jeans yet  

[Dr Gloom 26064]

3 hours ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

 

Our whole metabolic system is not designed to cope with 3 meals a day and a few snacks.

 

[Christmas Tree 6557]

32 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Give over man, it  became mainstream with the Industrial Revolution. Before that, for the vast majority it was feast or famine.

 

The body is designed to store fat for when there’s no food about.  We haven’t suddenly evolved metabolically in a couple of hundred years to need 3 meals and snacks