Park Life 70 Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 "Get yerself a sharp suit Stoney, the birds love it !" *Pards at big desk picking his teeth with a toothpick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I see he's talking shit again. http://www.nufcblog.org/2013/08/pardew-we-cant-compete-with-financial-strength-of-southampton/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=pardew-we-cant-compete-with-financial-strength-of-southampton#.UgKugaa9LCR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 I see he's talking shit again. http://www.nufcblog.org/2013/08/pardew-we-cant-compete-with-financial-strength-of-southampton/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=pardew-we-cant-compete-with-financial-strength-of-southampton#.UgKugaa9LCR Still going on about Ba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26269 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Im the second longest serving Premier League manager That is both incredible and true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty84 0 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 That stat is mind boggling! I keep forgetting the big turn around of managers this season, with ferguson gone, Moyes and Martinez rotating and Pulis sacked. 8 year contract, could be the next Wenger....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3442 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-stronger-two-years-5671462 Why the hell are the likes of Southampton in a 'much stronger financial position' as us? Its not the same as their owner willing to spend more money, I hope he understands that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-stronger-two-years-5671462 Why the hell are the likes of Southampton in a 'much stronger financial position' as us? Its not the same as their owner willing to spend more money, I hope he understands that. Well he's not going to slag Ashley off is he? That's what Ashley wants. He's trying to force Pardew out to usher Big Joe in. Edited August 8, 2013 by Anorthernsoul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 They're just spending their tv money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Been a bit exasperated with people not getting this. Imagine a business with a turnover of 200 million, its a failing business with bad credit, shit contracts, poor margins, bad invoicing, cash flow issues and huge overheads Now imagine a business with a turnover of 100 million, growing, no credit, great contracts, good margins and low overheads. Now if you still have trouble understanding why a club with a lower revenue might have more disposable incomes, give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3442 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 My question was why, not how. Ashely's been here for 6 years now and he's supposed to be good at business isnt he? Ambition. Thats the issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 31 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 It's MUCH easier to lose money with higher month on month costs. Higher turnover means nothing. These days large fan base means little. We've never been that profitable despite decent t/o in past. Remember : Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Of course ambition is the key factor but Southampton can be in stronger financial position quite easily. Its not hard to work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 297 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Good posts , it's a unwinnable debate though, because football is a sport being ran by a business. Both sides need some kind of balance, the extremes don't really show the true picture. The problem with this is really that its become part of a corporate world, all deals that matter are Business to Business , with Agents touting the players. But its become self serving and lost sight of the overall objective as far as sport goes. I believe we should be competitive and that it's semi acceptable to make small losses in football , as who knows when the next silly transfer is. Running a club as a rotating door only really works for those at the top of the food chain, and not us, from a footballing point of view. The whole point of a football business is supposed to be to lead the club responsibly but also with an objective of producing the best football club you can. Whether Ashley is doing this is debatable , personally I think he's a fool and has burnt money and not acted responsibly, but his overall approach isn't terrible. I reckon a REAL businessman like Branson could achieve far more with the same resources. That's my 2 cents anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Good posts , it's a unwinnable debate though, because football is a sport being ran by a business. Both sides need some kind of balance, the extremes don't really show the true picture. The problem with this is really that its become part of a corporate world, all deals that matter are Business to Business , with Agents touting the players. But its become self serving and lost sight of the overall objective as far as sport goes. I believe we should be competitive and that it's semi acceptable to make small losses in football , as who knows when the next silly transfer is. Running a club as a rotating door only really works for those at the top of the food chain, and not us, from a footballing point of view. The whole point of a football business is supposed to be to lead the club responsibly but also with an objective of producing the best football club you can. Whether Ashley is doing this is debatable , personally I think he's a fool and has burnt money and not acted responsibly, but his overall approach isn't terrible. I reckon a REAL businessman like Branson could achieve far more with the same resources. That's my 2 cents anyway. Excellent post. Very true about Branson, he would see the bigger picture and understand the football side of the business. And if he didn't, he would certainly put the hours in to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14576 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Of course ambition is the key factor but Southampton can be in stronger financial position quite easily. Its not hard to work out. There's also lots of money in cranes...and Pardew is quite well placed to know the difference between the two clubs. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11035099 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I think the difference with us is that ashley won't lend us any money to buy new players or underwrite losses, so the club has to be self financing now. In fact lately we've been repaying some of his loan from the early days. I assume the likes of soton have sugar daddies who are prepared to pile money in, as ashley did in the early days to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarStripes 0 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I think the difference with us is that ashley won't lend us any money to buy new players or underwrite losses, so the club has to be self financing now. In fact lately we've been repaying some of his loan from the early days. I assume the likes of soton have sugar daddies who are prepared to pile money in, as ashley did in the early days to be fair. So how much do we have to spend? What do you think the budget is? Or is it a case of spend as little as possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14576 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 So how much do we have to spend? What do you think the budget is? Or is it a case of spend as little as possible? You'll see how much the budget is when Scott "Scotty" Parker is sold to either wist am or qpr and Spurs lure Cabaye to the capital to replace him...perhaps.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarStripes 0 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 You'll see how much the budget is when Scott "Scotty" Parker is sold to either wist am or qpr and Spurs lure Cabaye to the capital to replace him...perhaps.... But even with the added 20mil from Cabaye...what higher calibre player are we going to go for? The only player I think we could replace him with is Eriksen. We've been linked a few times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobos 297 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Well I differ, carrick wouldn't be 20 mil and is a far better player no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 So how much do we have to spend? What do you think the budget is? Or is it a case of spend as little as possible? No idea mate. Depends on current finances for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Pardew shuffling the blame onto Kinnear already, saying Joe the joker has a big week ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14576 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Pardew shuffling the blame onto Kinnear already, saying Joe the joker has a big week ahead of him. Are you suggesting that Pardew has major say in who comes in?.... I dont think, if on the 1st September we're deemed to have had a poor "indow", that any of the blame can be put on Pardew's shoulders. As far as I can make out he has nothing to do with transfers. Possibly a once over of a youtube clip. The sort of shit Keegan walked over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8986 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Pardew shuffling the blame onto Kinnear already, saying Joe the joker has a big week ahead of him. I can't begrudge him that. If some gobshite had been brought in to sort out the transfers and he hasn't, Pardew's got every right to direct the public's attention that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I can't begrudge him that. . Neither can I, but the summer has panned out exactly the way most people predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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