PaddockLad 14577 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 If Pardew loses the next two games he'll be sacked iyam, regardless of how good a manager he is (he's dreadful) or how potentially shit a new one may be. I won't go into you demanding his removal 12-18 months ago because its pointless, bit like your post CT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1117 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Theres not that much in that regard to judge Charnley on is there? Hes not appointed a manager before, he seems to have little say in transfer targets other than handling negotiationsNo there's nothing to judge him on, I'm just suggesting that he has no experience. He might be a mastermind but since he's not been a part of anything like this we can't know. Allowing someone with his limited experience and Ashley's clearly limited knowledge is like allowing someone without any football experience manage a premier league club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30372 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Whatever you think about Pardew (and I've no time for him whatsoever) it's a terrible time to change your manager (especially in our position). So we probably will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3193 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Devils advocate / contrary Twat Strikes me as a lot of ignorance about Pardew. 1. Any replacement will have to work under the same rules and follow the company line. That would be made Crystal clear. 2. Pardew has no control over signings. I'm sure he would also love a first class CB and Striker. Anyone claiming different is stupid. (Regardless of his company line mutterings --- see point 1). 3. Last season Pardew has us 3 points off a CL spot at Christmas with.... An unhappy striking Cabaye An under performing Ben Arfa Our number 9 having forgotten how to score. Kinnear running amok. Yet still , 3 points off a cl spot by Christmas. Then the star player is sold, morale is rock bottom and players have one eye on the world cup. Are we really going to get a better manager ? The old days where a manager ran the club, controlled transfers and could pressurise owners has long gone, yet some seem to be flogging this dream. Pardews biggest problem is his gob. (Bit like me). Beardsley to take over? Dear me. I am reading this on a condensed viewer so can't see the authors. However as soon as I saw point 3 I knew this was from CT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 If Pardew loses the next two games he'll be sacked iyam, regardless of how good a manager he is (he's dreadful) or how potentially shit a new one may be. I won't go into you demanding his removal 12-18 months ago because its pointless, bit like your post CT I'd still like him gone IF a better manager was installed, however under all the constraints I think the difference would be negligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Whatever you think about Pardew (and I've no time for him whatsoever) it's a terrible time to change your manager (especially in our position). So we probably will. I'd give him another 3 or 4 games. Not because I've faith he can turn it around, but it would let us find a replacement, test the waters and have the deal ready to go. Of course when Pardew does go, there'll be two games of Carver before Gary Megson is finally settled for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I'd still like him gone IF a better manager was installed, however under all the constraints I think the difference would be negligible. I disagree (no surprise there); I think there are much better managers who would be content to work under these constraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6432 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Not sure we could have a bigger oaf/cath than Pardew in charge but I reckon if anyone can prove me wrong it is Mike Ashley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I disagree (no surprise there); I think there are much better managers who would be content to work under these constraints. So we might, might finish a place or two higher, IF we got a GOOD one and IF it worked. (See Chelsea, Liverpool, Man u and us over the years etc etc for so called good managers not cutting the mustard). When Pardew has been backed with a good team he has managed to get results. When he has players sold from underneath him or not backed (as now), he's struggled, as most would. And that's before you consider the dream team of coaches we have. If this was a manager we likef, you would almost say he's being set up to fail. I think Carr and Charnley or getting off fairly lightly given it was their task to source and get the right players in during the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Might as well stick this here.. Interview with Brendan Foster. (Should get him in). Brendan Foster on Newcastle United and why Kevin Keegan is the King The man behind the Great North Run continues to support Newcastle United despite the club's many ups and downs. There is a funny story told by Brendan Foster about the time he met Graham Carr that tells you a lot about Newcastle United at the moment. Foster is rushed off his feet at the moment making sure the Great North Run’s landmark weekend is as momentous as it should be. The millionth finisher of the biggest and best mass participation race in the world is a major milestone – big enough to bring Seb Coe and the IAAF President Lamine Diack to Tyneside along with most of the great and good of the athletics world. But even with a race and a major event in the form of Nova’s Great North Run opening ceremony to oversee in the coming days, Foster was still at St James’ Park to witness Newcastle’s implosion in their 3-3 draw with Crystal Palace. He has been going since the fifties and is pretty phlegmatic about the fortunes of the Magpies these days. He has seen worse than the current lot and seen better too. But he rates talent-spotter Carr – who has helped to refresh the squad over a hectic summer – as one of the best in his role. So what did chief scout Carr say when Foster introduced himself? Foster takes up the story: “I think Graham Carr has done a fantastic job. “I don’t know who decided we should sign Jack Colback but he looks like a terrific player. I didn’t think he was much when he played for Sunderland, mind! “I met him and I told him I thought he did a great job. “Graham said to me: ‘I love this job, I really do’. He’d said to Mike Ashley that it was a job he loved so much that he would pay him to do it and the owner’s response was, quick as a flash, ‘How much would you pay?’” He chuckles as he recounts the tale. Ashley may not be Mr Popular on Tyneside but Foster can see what the club is trying to do as they look to compete with teams that have spent more, even if he doesn’t always agree with the decisions that they take. Foster is nothing if not forthright. This is the man who proudly framed the letter from the police advising him not to hold the first Great North Run back in 1981, so biting his tongue would not come easily. But he actually thinks the squad is not in terrible shape. “I think they’ve picked up some good players. We needed another striker but Papiss Cisse is a good player,” he reasons. “I don’t know what was wrong with him last year and he does miss a lot of chances but the thing about missing chances is that he gets himself right back up and goes for another chance. I like that about him.” He pauses, before reflecting: “It’s just another season, isn’t it?” And that is the point for Foster, who has seen the game change immeasurably since his early days as a Newcastle fan. The days of United winning FA Cups – or at least taking them seriously – belong in a bygone era but things change. And his favourite moment as a Newcastle fan was not the sepia-tinted days of yore but the team that Kevin Keegan – an old mate – built. He said: “The best Newcastle team I’ve watched is Kevin’s team. They were amazing. “A mate of mine who I’ve known for 30 years is a daft Newcastle supporter. He’s so keen on Newcastle. We were playing Barcelona and top of the league. I said to him – like a pessimist, or realist – that he should make the most of it because it wouldn’t happen again. “I told him it might never happen again and I think that’s true. “It’s like when Coe, Ovett and Crammy ran. “I did the commentary and Alan Parry picked me on up on it afterwards because I’d said when asked who was going to win that I didn’t care, I just wanted to enjoy it because we had three Brits in the Olympics and at the bell there were three there following the Spaniard in the Olympic final. “I thought: “Who cares whose going to win it? I just want to enjoy it”. That’s how I was a bit with Kevin Keegan’s team.” Foster’s thoughts on the way the game has changed are instructive. He has competed at the top level and commentated on high-level sport for his entire adult life and he has seen a change in the way football operates. “We have to recognise the game has changed. “It’s show business now. It’s moved away from sport, it’s entertainment and showbiz. “It used to be about encouraging local lads to come through. “You’d watch local runners from Jarrow or Hebburn and want them to come through and it is the same with the young footballers. The essence of sport used to be about going from the grassroots to the top. “You can still do it in athletics – look at Laura Weightman, from the grassroots to the top, it’s been a great story. But football’s showbiz – how much money have you got and can you buy the top players? “It’s like entertainment. If we paid we could get Madonna on the river on Thursday. But you don’t cultivate the local talent that way. “I’ve started to realise in the last few years that’s how it is. It’s my team, so I have no choice but to support them but it’s showbiz and entertainment now. It’s not sport like I really see it. “There’s probably not that heritage about sport now. Newcastle used to be a great place for footballers but it’s not any more. “The world is a good place for footballers now so you bring in the talent. That means the connection between the area and the team is really just the shirt. “The players who kiss the badge now, I don’t have any time for that.” There are no such worries about the motivation of the thousands who make the Great North Run so special. Among the fun runners, the amateurs and the elite athletes who have been part of the million finishers, there is just one goal: getting to the end. That millions have been raised for charity in the process and that perceptions of the region have been altered too is a huge part of why the run is so special for the people of this region. Foster admits that it is the challenge of pushing on the event that really energises him. He said: “Ten years ago we added the culture programme, which is about celebrating art and sport together. “We’ve had Bill Bryson writing about it. It’s a participation and inclusive thing – it should look like that and feel like that. “The next stage was the Great City Games, which makes it a two-day event and the pressure is on to innovate and to keep it fresh. “If you ran the Gateshead event you would have heard the Chariots of Fire as you came into the stadium. We tested that out and we’re going to use that along the sea front as a motivational thing. “We’ve got to give our customers a better experience, we’ve got to do things better and be more creative and inventive. If you don’t improve and don’t look after your customers then you die and it’s too big to lose now. “The thing that haunts me is the Blaydon Race, which was a big thing, but that died away. The Morpeth to Newcastle was the original event and that died away.” On Thursday the Great North Run’s Opening Ceremony will be the latest innovation from Nova, with Sting, Ant and Dec and Mark Knopfler all set to play on the River Tyne as part of a spectacular evening’s entertainment. Foster is thankful to Gateshead Council and Newcastle Council – among others – for making it happen and feels that it will be a night to remember for all of those who have secured tickets. Anyone who has run in the event was guaranteed a free ticket. He said: “David Almond said: ‘This is the story of the North East, it’s the story I’ve been waiting to tell’. It’s fantastic, with brilliant music and visuals and this fantastic projection onto the side of the Sage. “We just think it is going to be a fantastic night and something to really remember.” That all of this happens in the North East, away from the traditional sporting capital of this country, is a real coup for the region and tickles Foster, who has previously dubbed it the ‘Great Inconvenient Run’ for the difficulty that it causes the London-based media and sporting elite in having to come for miles to cover it. “From the start the resolve was always to make this an international event and last year, when we had such a strong field, the photo on letsrun.com, which is the worldwide athletics website, their photo of the year was those three guys (Mo Farah, Wilson Kipsang Kiprotich and Haile Gebrselassie). “It’s why we’re doing this thing on the river. You know, this perception that we’re daft Geordies and we wanted to show them! The million run thing? It’s very inconvenient that it’s here for everyone. I suppose they’d think it should have been New York or London or Berlin or wherever.” Ronny Gill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30372 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Cake and eat it time I see. If Pardew is hamstrung by the constraints placed on him by the owner then the same applies to the people charged with recruiting players. Especially when they have to replace a shit load of players, including the two who were the main supply of creativity and goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 So we might, might finish a place or two higher, IF we got a GOOD one and IF it worked. (See Chelsea, Liverpool, Man u and us over the years etc etc for so called good managers not cutting the mustard). When Pardew has been backed with a good team he has managed to get results. When he has players sold from underneath him or not backed (as now), he's struggled, as most would. And that's before you consider the dream team of coaches we have. If this was a manager we likef, you would almost say he's being set up to fail. I think Carr and Charnley or getting off fairly lightly given it was their task to source and get the right players in during the summer. I don't think it's Pardew getting good results, I think it's the players getting good results despite his tactics. I also don't see how it's Carr's fault? His job is to find players, which by all accounts he has done, it's Charnley and Ashley's task to agree fees etc. Pardew is just the useless cath that is supposed to get international quality players, playing well together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14577 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I'd still like him gone IF a better manager was installed, however under all the constraints I think the difference would be negligible. You can't make an omlette without breaking eggs though. There's no guarantees in football, bar Pardew going into a club, doing ok for a bit but then swiftly fucking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) What bothers me most about him is his ego. The faux psychology is pathetic as well. As I've said before he is a decent organiser and does a lot of homework from what I've heard....It's just that he has no real idea how to put it all together on the pitch. I honestly believe he puts fear into the players reg the opposition and it should be the other way round. Will end up on Celebrity Big Brother dressed as a woman... Edited September 3, 2014 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4210 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 What bothers me most about him is his ego. The faux psychology is pathetic as well. Exactly, his death stare being a great recent example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Manager- Stevie Tom- Assistant Manager Parky- Non-Executive Director Gemmill - Accountant and CFO Ant - PR Alex and Chez - Entertainments and Hospitality suites. Nappy Race - Statistician CSD - Spin Doctor and Media Tooj - Opposition evaluation. Fish- Tealady Fist- Security Kitman - Kitman CT - Catering I fucking love tea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19806 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I disagree (no surprise there); I think there are much better managers who would be content to work under these constraints. there may well be, but would you count on ashley to appoint one of them? i wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19806 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Whatever you think about Pardew (and I've no time for him whatsoever) it's a terrible time to change your manager (especially in our position). So we probably will. it was fat fred's favourite move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 CT back on the straight talk express about Pardew then? When Hughton was sacked - "Today with Hughton sacked and Pardew on the radar [Ashley] is a wanker." http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28931-martin-jol/page-3#entry818046 On Pardew's appointment "Jesus fucking christ....." http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28927-who-do-you-want-as-the-next-manager-of-nufc/page-2#entry817649 One day later - "I think some of the reaction is a bit over the top once you stop to think things through." http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28926-alan-pardew/page-36#entry820386 2 days later - "tell me in footballing terms why Hughton's better." http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28926-alan-pardew/page-67#entry821577 After Pardew's first game v Liverpool - "What a difference a good win makes. We really are a team who should be chasing Europe" http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28973-newcastle-united-3-1-liverpool/page-13#entry822423 In 6th place as we chased Europe - "Im beginning to wonder if there is much more he can do for us." http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28926-alan-pardew/?p=1047234 When Kinnear was appointed - "I want/wanted Pardew gone last November" End of last season - "Where does this idea that Im pro Pardew come from? " http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/35057-shane-ferguson/#entry1275009 Today - "So we might, might finish a place or two higher, IF we got a GOOD one and IF it worked. When Pardew has been backed with a good team he has managed to get results." You're a joke. Pardew was shite when he arrived. He's still shite. He was shite when we finished 5th. He was shiter the last 2 seasons. He was shite at West Ham and he'll be shite whichever backing he gets wherever he goes. There have been times when sacking him would have been counter-productive. It was only at those times you wanted him sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Cake and eat it time I see. If Pardew is hamstrung by the constraints placed on him by the owner then the same applies to the people charged with recruiting players. Especially when they have to replace a shit load of players, including the two who were the main supply of creativity and goals. The budget has been there and they've had nigh on a year to draw up a list. Remy and Lacazette seem to have been it, even though both seem to have been pretty clear about not wanting to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 The budget has been there and they've had nigh on a year to draw up a list. Remy and Lacazette seem to have been it, even though both seem to have been pretty clear about not wanting to come. Weren't we also looking at Bony and Gomis at the beginning of the window. Also, I'm sure if we were a little more publicly ambitious we could have convinced either, or both of those players to join. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26282 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Gomis was looking silly wages iirc. We can't compete with the likes of Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 CT back on the straight talk express about Pardew then? When Hughton was sacked - "Today with Hughton sacked and Pardew on the radar [Ashley] is a wanker." http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28931-martin-jol/page-3#entry818046 On Pardew's appointment "Jesus fucking christ....." http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28927-who-do-you-want-as-the-next-manager-of-nufc/page-2#entry817649 One day later - "I think some of the reaction is a bit over the top once you stop to think things through." http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28926-alan-pardew/page-36#entry820386 2 days later - "tell me in footballing terms why Hughton's better." http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28926-alan-pardew/page-67#entry821577 After Pardew's first game v Liverpool - "What a difference a good win makes. We really are a team who should be chasing Europe" http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28973-newcastle-united-3-1-liverpool/page-13#entry822423 In 6th place as we chased Europe - "Im beginning to wonder if there is much more he can do for us." http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/28926-alan-pardew/?p=1047234 When Kinnear was appointed - "I want/wanted Pardew gone last November" End of last season - "Where does this idea that Im pro Pardew come from? " http://www.toontastic.net/board/topic/35057-shane-ferguson/#entry1275009 Today - "So we might, might finish a place or two higher, IF we got a GOOD one and IF it worked. When Pardew has been backed with a good team he has managed to get results." You're a joke. Pardew was shite when he arrived. He's still shite. He was shite when we finished 5th. He was shiter the last 2 seasons. He was shite at West Ham and he'll be shite whichever backing he gets wherever he goes. There have been times when sacking him would have been counter-productive. It was only at those times you wanted him sacked. All missing the point , as usual. A new manager under these constraints will make little difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 All missing the point , as usual. A new manager under these constraints will make little difference. Why did you want him gone last November then? Constraints were worse then. We're spending much more now and have more to spend in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 All missing the point , as usual. A new manager under these constraints will make little difference. I think the point is that you flip flop more than a sandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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