Happy Face 29 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 ...and of course Hughes guided Stoke, that's STOKE, to a higher finish than Pardew's Newcastle just last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3960 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Its worth restating that finishing 5th was a perfect storm of Chelsea and Liverpool's meltdowns and Cisse's hot streak and very little to do with Pardew. Of course these things are part of football but as HF states if you look at his general performance over time the 5th is a spectacular anomaly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1115 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 If my job is to drive people to the airport and he issues me with a car missing a wheel, don't blame me for the bumpy ride.Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Debuchy, Cabella - All French Internationals Krul, Anita, SDJ, LDJ, Janmaat - All Dutch Internationals Cisse - Senegal International Tiote - Ivory Coast International Santon - Italian International He's had all of those players at his disposal since January. Hardly a car with a missing wheel. A decent manager should be able to get international players (from good teams too) to play some football should he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26192 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Don't forget: Shane Ferguson - Northern Ireland international Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8950 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Debuchy, Cabella - All French Internationals Krul, Anita, SDJ, LDJ, Janmaat - All Dutch Internationals Cisse - Senegal International Tiote - Ivory Coast International Santon - Italian International He's had all of those players at his disposal since January. Hardly a car with a missing wheel. A decent manager should be able to get international players (from good teams too) to play some football should he not? Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 The bottom line is he's a shit manager with shit patter (I never wanted him here) whose living on borrowed time as manager of NUFC. Bring on the shit storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Just wondering seeing as Ben Arfa can't play in the Hull game do you think he even be allowed in the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Pardew has said time and time again Ashley has given him great support so that argument doesn't work. That's just company line guff that any new manager would have to sign up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 ...and of course Hughes guided Stoke, that's STOKE, to a higher finish than Pardew's Newcastle just last year. But still not 5th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12447 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) Ryan Taylor, Steven Taylor, overran......Cabaye, Ba on 20 goal a season form, Cisse in 20 goal a season form, Tiote, Colo. Are you know saying he had a shit team when he come 5th? Like Happy face says Hughes took Blackburn to 6th, then had a decent run in the Europa league and a 7th placed finish. Pardew is a shit manager, he had just been sacked from a league one side that had at least 3 players that now play in the premiership in his starting 11 just before we brought him in. Edited September 4, 2014 by Howay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Its worth restating that finishing 5th was a perfect storm of Chelsea and Liverpool's meltdowns and Cisse's hot streak and very little to do with Pardew. Of course these things are part of football but as HF states if you look at his general performance over time the 5th is a spectacular anomaly. Because he's either had the rug pulled (cabaye) or hasn't been given the tools in the first place (again this season). Nobody expects us to get goals this season and believe we'll struggle. That's Carr and Charnleys fault, not Pardew. Bit of common sense is all I ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6432 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Anyone still making any sort of even vaguely supportive or forgiving noise towards Pardew is mentally ill and should be treated accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Stoke just did a number on City...Like to plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Cabaye, Ba on 20 goal a season form, Cisse in 20 goal a season form, Tiote, Colo. Are you know saying he had a shit team when he come 5th? Like Happy face says Hughes took Blackburn to 6th, then had a decent run in the Europa league and a 7th placed finish. Pardew is a shit manager, he had just been sacked from a league one side that had at least 3 players that now play in the premiership in his starting 11 just before we brought him in. What I'm saying is that when backed with decent players he did well. 5th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 But still not 5th You don't want a manager that does too well, you'll be calling for his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Anyone still making any sort of even vaguely supportive or forgiving noise towards Pardew is mentally ill and should be treated accordingly. I would say anyone expecting Peter Beardsley or John carved to do any better with no backing or proven striker is away with the fairys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Pardew and Ashley have alienated a lot of fans from the football club with all the things they've said and done these past few years. They're both bringing the club down, so can you really honestly blame people for wanting rid of one of the MAIN problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8950 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Because he's either had the rug pulled (cabaye) or hasn't been given the tools in the first place (again this season). Nobody expects us to get goals this season and believe we'll struggle. That's Carr and Charnleys fault, not Pardew. Bit of common sense is all I ask. Hang on, if it's not Pardew's fault because he has to work with what he's got, then surely it's not Carr or Charnley's fault either? Carr has consistently found good players who are then sold. That's not his fault. He's found plenty of players for Newcastle, many haven't been taken up at the time they'd do most good, or they've been left alone entirely. Charnley has a boss who will not pay over the valuation of the player and prefers, instead, to buy a player (any player) that has a resale value. A bargain. Demba Ba bought for nothing, sold for £7m, the entire footballing world knew we needed a couple of goal scorers, but Ashley saw that he he could make a quick £7m, which is less risky to him than negotiating a new contract with someone who could break his leg tomorrow. If we're allowing one to hide behind an agentic state, we should really allow all to use that defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6432 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I would say anyone expecting Peter Beardsley or John carved to do any better with no backing or proven striker is away with the fairys. Agreed. But you'll probably say the opposite next week so your voice is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Pardew and Ashley have alienated a lot of fans from the football club with all the things they've said and done these past few years. They're both bringing the club down, so can you really honestly blame people for wanting rid of one of the MAIN problems? No I don't, but I disagree he is the MAIN problem. Had we signed Remy, Lacazette and a quality centre back in July I doubt very much this would be getting discussed, which is the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Hang on, if it's not Pardew's fault because he has to work with what he's got, then surely it's not Carr or Charnley's fault either? Carr has consistently found good players who are then sold. That's not his fault. He's found plenty of players for Newcastle, many haven't been taken up at the time they'd do most good, or they've been left alone entirely. Charnley has a boss who will not pay over the valuation of the player and prefers, instead, to buy a player (any player) that has a resale value. A bargain. Demba Ba bought for nothing, sold for £7m, the entire footballing world knew we needed a couple of goal scorers, but Ashley saw that he he could make a quick £7m, which is less risky to him than negotiating a new contract with someone who could break his leg tomorrow. If we're allowing one to hide behind an agentic state, we should really allow all to use that defence. We had no choice but to sell Demba. He negogiated a clause when he came. As for Carr, is he really as good as we think? Luke De Jong, Shit Mbwia, thinks Orem is too physical We should probably have two or three Graham Carr's on the go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 What I'm saying is that when backed with decent players he did well. 5th In the short term. We went on a run of 10 games that were relegation standard that season, until Cisse came in and started scoring from the wing 40 yards out . You don't coach that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Agreed. But you'll probably say the opposite next week so your voice is meaningless. It's like when one of the lads brings their lass to the pub and they won't stop trying to look like they know what they're talking about because they fancied Ryan Giggs 20 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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