trophyshy 6432 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Another stat for @@ChezGiven to digest Relentless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Because our form since he left has proven him wrong, he thinks he can deflect with mutterings about Palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Whitehurst 778 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 First manager in Premier League history to lose five games on the trot with three different clubs. I think was also the first to lose five on the trot with two different clubs. What a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydnator 45 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 It's more than likely he's going to Wembley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26227 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 At least he now has an excuse for their atrocious league form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2765 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Yeah because you dealt with Ben Arfa amazingly, didn't you, Alan? As a manager you get different kinds of mavericks. Some mavericks you can lose, sometimes it gets away from you and becomes problematic. Ben Arfa up at Newcastle became impossible." "It hasnt happened many times in my career and I dont think it will happen with Ade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 4833 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Because our form since he left has proven him wrong, he thinks he can deflect with mutterings about Palace. im Team Chez on this debate. If you look at Pardews record from a distance then its exactly what you'd expect from the personnel he had it his disposable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3972 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 im Team Chez on this debate. If you look at Pardews record from a distance then its exactly what you'd expect from the personnel he had it his disposable. That doesn't excuse the Derby defeats to shit safc teams or the style of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 4833 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 True. I never said it did. He just kept us in the premier league which is what Ashley wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8977 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 That doesn't excuse the Derby defeats to shit safc teams or the style of play. Or his inability to arrest a dip in form, his embarrassing behaviour on the sidelines, his baffling substitutions, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26726 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Pardew's time was well and truly up whether anyone thought he was utter shit, hopeless, OK, not bad or Keegan and Sir Bob's love child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Pardew's time was well and truly up whether anyone thought he was utter shit, hopeless, OK, not bad or Keegan and Sir Bob's love child. I got grief for saying that too. His time was at an end and it was best for everyone he moved on. The only flaw in the thinking was that the arsehole in charge was still in charge. I read recently that a statistical analysis had shown that 89% of a football club's position in the league could be explained by money and 11% by manager. The authors admit that the analysis was a bit fishy and there were loads of factors getting mixed up. Anyway, i think we can safely say we have proven that analysis wrong this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6432 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I got grief for saying that too. His time was at an end and it was best for everyone he moved on. The only flaw in the thinking was that the arsehole in charge was still in charge. I read recently that a statistical analysis had shown that 89% of a football club's position in the league could be explained by money and 11% by manager. The authors admit that the analysis was a bit fishy and there were loads of factors getting mixed up. Anyway, i think we can safely say we have proven that analysis wrong this season. I would suggest that behind the money there is typically intent to progress/challenge/develop throughout. In our case that is obviously not true, money has been hoyed at the midfield and almost every other aspect of the club is run on buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I would suggest that behind the money there is typically intent to progress/challenge/develop throughout. In our case that is obviously not true, money has been hoyed at the midfield and almost every other aspect of the club is run on buttons. Indeed. Its also true that those clubs spending money on players also spend money on managers and attract the best ones. Van Gaal is doing his best to disprove the idea too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 3654 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Trying to prove a formula between money/managers/success is like nailing shite to the wall. There is so much more going on in football than that, it's a simplistic view that changing manager or spending more makes you successful. Pardew was consistently shite however and he should never have been near our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I suspect the converse is true - don't spend money on improving the team and management and you get left behind. As weve proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6432 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 (edited) Indeed. Its also true that those clubs spending money on players also spend money on managers and attract the best ones. Van Gaal is doing his best to disprove the idea too. I think he is possibly past it, deluded, arrogant, mad, all of the above. You can't fault the owners at Man U for having a go, I think they should have given gollum longer. They were always going to have a nightmare after SAF and may be extending it with their ongoing rolodex-a-manager approach. I hope Mourinho goes there and makes an absolute arse of it too. Have 50 years with fuck all you spoilt bastards. Edited February 25, 2016 by trophyshy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Or maybe his reputation is built on the fact that he manged Ajax when they were the best Dutch side and won everything anyway, Barcelona and Bayern in not very competitive leagues. He's not exactly been managed miracles by winning at those clubs. I cant remember whether RM were any good when he was there but its not exactly a massive achievement to win things domestically with those three clubs when he did. I mean if you put Pardew in charge of Bayern in the 09-10 season, would he have been able to beat Schalke to the title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26227 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 He also won the league title with AZ and took the Dutch to a WC semi finals. It's certainly been more hit than miss for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30336 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 And got the better of an NUFC side managed by Glenn Roeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30336 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 And won a Champions League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Of his 19 managerial title, 18 are with the best clubs in the country and 1 in a shitty Dutch league where even McClaren did well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30336 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I cant remember whether RM were any good when he was there Didn't they win the European Cup during that period? Mijatovic scored the winner against Juventus iirc. It was just the start of the side that became the Galaticos. It was a pretty good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26227 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You can only beat what's in front of you. [/cliche] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30336 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I don't think you could argue La Liga was wasn't competitive at that time anyway. Apart from Real Madrid, Athletico Madrid won the league in the mid-90s and Valencia has a class side that got to a European Cup final (against Real Madrid, which further underlines the class in that league around then). Deportivo were shit hot then too and won the league while Van Gaal was managing Barcelona. It was a much more open, competitive league than it is now. Not a defence of Van Gaal as such as I think he's past it. He's also a massive twat and arrogant even by Dutch standards. Just disagree with Chez's assessment of his time in Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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