Guest alex Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Fuck me, you could put your cock in CT's mouth and tell him nicely it was a thermometer and he'd believe you, what a donkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) I think Kitman is talking shit. There may be shades of truth in what he says but the characterisation is unrealistic. I think it's an interesting theory. It's speculative of course What you're actually trying to do is describe something really complex which is a relationship at the top of a big highly resourced organisation with loads of decision-making which is intertwined and interdependent. No contract in the world sets things out in specific terms (or if there is specificity its on one aspect of things). The balance of power and influence that Pardew has is a function of how effective he is at influencing the ultimate decision maker. Sir Alex does not set the MUFC transfer budget (as such a thing does not exist for one ) and does not sign off on negotiations. His influence is a function of him and his relationship with the chief executive and Glazers. Saying 'it works this way, it works that way' is just pure bullshit speculation on everyone's part. Its dynamic, evolving and usually based on developing trust and influence. Just like in every other commerical organisation in the world. Its called politics. Edited July 5, 2011 by ChezGiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Chez , are you actually C3PO ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 He's marginally less camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I think Kitman is talking shit. There may be shades of truth in what he says but the characterisation is unrealistic. I think it's an interesting theory. It's speculative of course What you're actually trying to do is describe something really complex which is a relationship at the top of a big highly resourced organisation with loads of decision-making which is intertwined and interdependent. No contract in the world sets things out in specific terms (or if there is specificity its on one aspect of things). The balance of power and influence that Pardew has is a function of how effective he is at influencing the ultimate decision maker. Sir Alex does not set the MUFC transfer budget (as such a thing does not exist for one ) and does not sign off on negotiations. His influence is a function of him and his relationship with the chief executive and Glazers. Saying 'it works this way, it works that way' is just pure bullshit speculation on everyone's part. Its dynamic, evolving and usually based on developing trust and influence. Just like in every other commerical organisation in the world. Its called politics. You're reading way too much into it, Chez. I don't recall claiming it was a contractual arrangement, and that wasn't my intention. I was kicking about an idea ie pardew has fuck all meaningful involvement in transfers, he's happy to put up with that and that's probably been the arrangement from the get-go. Yes it's bullshit speculation but that's the nature of the forum, none of us have the inside track including you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac-Toon 1 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Failing to even account for the fact that both Villa and Sunderland speculated last season and their revenues are exactly the same. Admirable sentiments mac-toon but explain to me how the clubs who have speculated have generated more revenue? Speculate to accumulate? Putting an extra 3000 bums on seats is not going to finance a pop at beating Barcelona in the CL final, is it? All I was saying is we generate as much if not more than the majority in the premier league. I wont even pretend I know the goings-on inside a football club. I don't begrudge us being careful with the cash we have and most certainly don't want us to be spending £20m on one player but I'd like to see more money being spent on bolstering our wafer thin squad. The biggest gripe for most NUFC fans is on the surface, we see massive gains through player sales and tiny amounts of money being spent on new recruits. You can't believe tiling the bathrooms at Benton training ground and general player wages is an acceptable way to spend Carrolls fee. It's his club, he runs it how he wants but the excuses and lies are a joke. Pardew said 'Look, If Andy is going, this money has to be reinvested in the team, all of it, and he has assured me of that'. They make it up as we trundle along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I think Kitman is talking shit. There may be shades of truth in what he says but the characterisation is unrealistic. I think it's an interesting theory. It's speculative of course What you're actually trying to do is describe something really complex which is a relationship at the top of a big highly resourced organisation with loads of decision-making which is intertwined and interdependent. No contract in the world sets things out in specific terms (or if there is specificity its on one aspect of things). The balance of power and influence that Pardew has is a function of how effective he is at influencing the ultimate decision maker. Sir Alex does not set the MUFC transfer budget (as such a thing does not exist for one ) and does not sign off on negotiations. His influence is a function of him and his relationship with the chief executive and Glazers. Saying 'it works this way, it works that way' is just pure bullshit speculation on everyone's part. Its dynamic, evolving and usually based on developing trust and influence. Just like in every other commerical organisation in the world. Its called politics. You're reading way too much into it, Chez. I don't recall claiming it was a contractual arrangement, and that wasn't my intention. I was kicking about an idea ie pardew has fuck all meaningful involvement in transfers, he's happy to put up with that and that's probably been the arrangement from the get-go. Yes it's bullshit speculation but that's the nature of the forum, none of us have the inside track including you. Aye but its the quality of the speculation thats troubling. Reading the shite in this thread and then being told its ME reading too much into a situation is a bit much. I was just giving you my view too anyway. The implication of Pardew's impotence is that Dekka has signed Ben Arfa, Tiote, Cabaye, Ba and Merveaux in the last 12 months. No sorry, the scout went to see them and the Dekka made the decision. Half the time he's some thick as fuck casino owner, the next minute he is making the best signing in the premiership last season. Its like Ant and his arguments for ignoring Ba's or Merveaux's stats and saying we dont have a goal scorer but then using Erding's stats to say he isnt one either. Its cake and eat it time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Chez, you and your cursed common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I think Kitman is talking shit. There may be shades of truth in what he says but the characterisation is unrealistic. I think it's an interesting theory. It's speculative of course What you're actually trying to do is describe something really complex which is a relationship at the top of a big highly resourced organisation with loads of decision-making which is intertwined and interdependent. No contract in the world sets things out in specific terms (or if there is specificity its on one aspect of things). The balance of power and influence that Pardew has is a function of how effective he is at influencing the ultimate decision maker. Sir Alex does not set the MUFC transfer budget (as such a thing does not exist for one ) and does not sign off on negotiations. His influence is a function of him and his relationship with the chief executive and Glazers. Saying 'it works this way, it works that way' is just pure bullshit speculation on everyone's part. Its dynamic, evolving and usually based on developing trust and influence. Just like in every other commerical organisation in the world. Its called politics. You're reading way too much into it, Chez. I don't recall claiming it was a contractual arrangement, and that wasn't my intention. I was kicking about an idea ie pardew has fuck all meaningful involvement in transfers, he's happy to put up with that and that's probably been the arrangement from the get-go. Yes it's bullshit speculation but that's the nature of the forum, none of us have the inside track including you. Aye but its the quality of the speculation thats troubling. Reading the shite in this thread and then being told its ME reading too much into a situation is a bit much. I was just giving you my view too anyway. The implication of Pardew's impotence is that Dekka has signed Ben Arfa, Tiote, Cabaye, Ba and Merveaux in the last 12 months. No sorry, the scout went to see them and the Dekka made the decision. Half the time he's some thick as fuck casino owner, the next minute he is making the best signing in the premiership last season. Its like Ant and his arguments for ignoring Ba's or Merveaux's stats and saying we dont have a goal scorer but then using Erding's stats to say he isnt one either. Its cake and eat it time again. I would say the implication of Pardew's impotence is simply that someone else is framing the football decisions. that might be Carr, I doubt that's Dekka. I don't think I've ever called Dekka thick as fuck, just an odious cunt. However I wasn't speculating on Dekka's position, I was speculating on Pardew's. fwiw, I don't credit Dekka with signing the players you mention, but I doubt Pardew had much to do with it either, he seems limited to me in that sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 So if Dekka doesnt sign the players, Carr doesnt sign the players and Pardew doesnt sign the players, then who the fuck does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 So if Dekka doesnt sign the players, Carr doesnt sign the players and Pardew doesnt sign the players, then who the fuck does? Ashley. Simple. The man with the money. Perhaps Carr has his ear, like Wise did??? It is possible, Chez y'know. Speculation, I know, but it is still possible. If you can give us the facts, please, then we can all stop this runaround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34196 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I reckon we will get Erdinc (8mil) and possibly N'Zogbia (9mil) this or next week and M'Bengue (6mil) or Warnock/Bridge if Enrique goes. SO That would be another 23 mil spent with around 8mil brought in for Enrique and possibly another 5-7mil for other fringe players leaving. This from Deano on page 1. This should be the final nail in the coffin of this kid's credibility on this board. Utterly fucking idiotic particularly having listened to the interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I reckon we will get Erdinc (8mil) and possibly N'Zogbia (9mil) this or next week and M'Bengue (6mil) or Warnock/Bridge if Enrique goes. SO That would be another 23 mil spent with around 8mil brought in for Enrique and possibly another 5-7mil for other fringe players leaving. This from Deano on page 1. This should be the final nail in the coffin of this kid's credibility on this board. Utterly fucking idiotic particularly having listened to the interview. Does not compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac-Toon 1 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I reckon we will get Erdinc (8mil) and possibly N'Zogbia (9mil) this or next week and M'Bengue (6mil) or Warnock/Bridge if Enrique goes. SO That would be another 23 mil spent with around 8mil brought in for Enrique and possibly another 5-7mil for other fringe players leaving. This from Deano on page 1. This should be the final nail in the coffin of this kid's credibility on this board. Utterly fucking idiotic particularly having listened to the interview. I know, dear me. What gives anyone the idea we'll spend this type of money? We havn't spent over 4.5m on a player in Ashleys regime. That won't change now. If we can bring a few more in of the quality of B'Arfa, Tiote etc then if they're cheap then even better. £23m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 So if Dekka doesnt sign the players, Carr doesnt sign the players and Pardew doesnt sign the players, then who the fuck does? I thought you might say that In a literal sense I expect Llambias and his legal team sign new players. Aren't we talking about the decision making process though? If your question is, who is advising Llabias/Ashley/the board who to target, it's a good question. I expect that's Carr and others, I don't think Pardew is involved to any significant extent. If I could be arsed I'd go and look up the players he signed at West Ham, I wouldn't expect them to be like the playes you've mentioned. Happy to be corrected if that's wrong. My belief is that they've always wanted to split transfers away from the manager and they've done that with Pardew and all the previous managers. I think they'll be taking advice from someone on who to sign, would be interesting to know who that is. One for the conspiracy thread maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 2929 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 What's the chance Wise is still on the payroll and working for the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac-Toon 1 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 What's the chance Wise is still on the payroll and working for the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13819 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Failing to even account for the fact that both Villa and Sunderland speculated last season and their revenues are exactly the same. Admirable sentiments mac-toon but explain to me how the clubs who have speculated have generated more revenue? Speculate to accumulate? Putting an extra 3000 bums on seats is not going to finance a pop at beating Barcelona in the CL final, is it? But it might finance beating Stoke away, or getting that elusive draw with Tottenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I reckon we will get Erdinc (8mil) and possibly N'Zogbia (9mil) this or next week and M'Bengue (6mil) or Warnock/Bridge if Enrique goes. SO That would be another 23 mil spent with around 8mil brought in for Enrique and possibly another 5-7mil for other fringe players leaving. This from Deano on page 1. This should be the final nail in the coffin of this kid's credibility on this board. Utterly fucking idiotic particularly having listened to the interview. I know, dear me. What gives anyone the idea we'll spend this type of money? We havn't spent over 4.5m on a player in Ashleys regime. That won't change now. If we can bring a few more in of the quality of B'Arfa, Tiote etc then if they're cheap then even better. £23m We've signed a fair few for more than that haven't we? Barton, Xisco ( ), Enrique, Colocinni, Ben Arfa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 What's the chance Wise is still on the payroll and working for the club? The thought occurred to me but then I remembered Nacho Gonzalez and Xisco. Some of the latest signings could actually be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26192 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) Failing to even account for the fact that both Villa and Sunderland speculated last season and their revenues are exactly the same. Admirable sentiments mac-toon but explain to me how the clubs who have speculated have generated more revenue? Speculate to accumulate? Putting an extra 3000 bums on seats is not going to finance a pop at beating Barcelona in the CL final, is it? But it might finance beating Stoke away, or getting that elusive draw with Tottenham. Which may get us a couple of million more in prize money. Basically speculate to accumulate will only work if you make the CL. And in order for us to do that we'd have to spend a lot more than we'd recoup in the short term. Edited July 5, 2011 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveTheBobby 1 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 So if Dekka doesnt sign the players, Carr doesnt sign the players and Pardew doesnt sign the players, then who the fuck does? maybe it's this chap ? (i can't prove nowt like) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 What's the chance Wise is still on the payroll and working for the club? The thought occurred to me but then I remembered Nacho Gonzalez and Xisco. Some of the latest signings could actually be good. I think Wise got the job because he knew Ashley and/or Llambias then got the push because he's a shit talent-spotter. I can't see him attending games without getting spotted tbh. He's cause an argument in an empty house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 What's the chance Wise is still on the payroll and working for the club? The thought occurred to me but then I remembered Nacho Gonzalez and Xisco. Some of the latest signings could actually be good. I think Wise got the job because he knew Ashley and/or Llambias then got the push because he's a shit talent-spotter. I can't see him attending games without getting spotted tbh. He's cause an argument in an empty house. Yes, it's hard to see the attraction of Dennis Wise. Maybe he's a loveable cheeky chappy in person, like a miniature Terry McCann. Unless you're driving a taxi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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