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Surprised Chez Given didn’t just install him as his PA if he’s available on those sort of wages. Imagine the champagne enemas that they could’ve had together 

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Pardew is currently out of the country and scouting international matches during the Premier League break, with preparations for January already under way.

 

 

:icon_lol: Save yourself the hassle Alan and get a few days on a beach somewhere.

 

 

Probably gone to watch Erik Pieters again just for a laugh. I hear Roeder is out there too, on the lookout for someone called Dirk Kuyt.

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I know every now and again we compare Managers and was wondering how Pardew is doing against the normal list.

 

I have him down as played 25 won 10 drawn Drawn 10 Lost 5 with a win ratio of 40%

 

Just a rough tot up so may be out.

 

Anyone know where the other manager stats are for comparison.

 

Nicos normally has all that shit to hand. :icon_lol:

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I know every now and again we compare Managers and was wondering how Pardew is doing against the normal list.

 

I have him down as played 25 won 10 drawn Drawn 10 Lost 5 with a win ratio of 40%

 

Just a rough tot up so may be out.

 

Anyone know where the other manager stats are for comparison.

 

Nicos normally has all that shit to hand. :icon_lol:

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New...d_F.C._managers

 

Half as good as hughton. Worse than roeder and allardyce.

 

Nowt to write home about

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Dekka for the bullet ?

 

Would be the best move Ashley could make but it wont happen.

 

The cock ups of the striker situation may force a re-think in transfer negotiation or personnel but I would be surprised if that but Llambias under threat.

This is who we should be directing any protest at.

 

Wonder how happy Llambias is getting all the stick he does for £100k a year or whatever paltry sum he's on.

 

Wouldn't be surprised to see him say he's had enough before Ashley pushes him. 54 year old now, hoping at the end of the season he just kicks back and enjoys the Casino business....or retires early.

 

I was looking for a pic of Dekkas wife as I remember her 'distinctive' barnet from her attending a match with him up here once . I was looking for it because I'm pretty convinced it's her blonde extended curly locks in the first first picture in 'asset stripper' . Anyway, finding her picture via Google was like finding credibility in the Chronicle.

Now im sure some of the squareheeds on here will now tell me where imgoing wrong with my use of Google , but my point is, firstly, strange/how come little info to be had (given both her and Dekkoid's high profile 'jobs') ?

 

Secondly, is that her on that Ashley The Ripper picture or what ? It's buggin us :icon_lol:

 

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I know every now and again we compare Managers and was wondering how Pardew is doing against the normal list.

 

I have him down as played 25 won 10 drawn Drawn 10 Lost 5 with a win ratio of 40%

 

Just a rough tot up so may be out.

 

Anyone know where the other manager stats are for comparison.

 

Nicos normally has all that shit to hand. :icon_lol:

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New...d_F.C._managers

 

Half as good as hughton. Worse than roeder and allardyce.

 

Nowt to write home about

 

 

Where do they get 31 games from? Surely the dont count the likes of Darlington and other friendlies.

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Dekka for the bullet ?

 

Would be the best move Ashley could make but it wont happen.

 

The cock ups of the striker situation may force a re-think in transfer negotiation or personnel but I would be surprised if that but Llambias under threat.

This is who we should be directing any protest at.

 

Wonder how happy Llambias is getting all the stick he does for £100k a year or whatever paltry sum he's on.

 

Wouldn't be surprised to see him say he's had enough before Ashley pushes him. 54 year old now, hoping at the end of the season he just kicks back and enjoys the Casino business....or retires early.

I must say I was very surprised when I looked at the accounts by how relatively low Delboy's wages were. However consider that:

  • Ashley is known for dishing out lowish basic pay, but big bonuses based on financial results.
  • Llambias is the main man in charge of the club, and so would obviously be the biggest winner if any such bonuses were on offer.
  • Increasing the wage bill would reduce any profits made by the club.
  • Llambias is the the man in charge of setting the total wage limit and dictating what individual players will be offered in contract negotiations.
  • Spending money on transfers would reduce any profits made by the club.
  • Llambias is the man in charge of setting the amount we bid for players the scouts have identified.

Strange isn't it that we struggled to get players to sign new contracts/withdrew contracts which had been agreed on, and never managed to get any of those many strikers we were after "over the line". :icon_lol:

 

I'm sure he's fully committed to doing his best to help the manager to get and keep the best players we can to get the best possible results on the pitch though.

 

 

It's very likely that as a senior manager in the company, Pardew would be in receipt of any such bonuses too btw, so hopefully that will soften the blow for him a little and persuade him to stay.

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I know every now and again we compare Managers and was wondering how Pardew is doing against the normal list.

 

I have him down as played 25 won 10 drawn Drawn 10 Lost 5 with a win ratio of 40%

 

Just a rough tot up so may be out.

 

Anyone know where the other manager stats are for comparison.

 

Nicos normally has all that shit to hand. :icon_lol:

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New...d_F.C._managers

 

Half as good as hughton. Worse than roeder and allardyce.

 

Nowt to write home about

 

 

Where do they get 31 games from? Surely the dont count the likes of Darlington and other friendlies.

 

It says...

 

Information correct as of match played 28 August 2011. Only competitive matches are counted

 

Though I only know of 27 competitive games, So not sure where they get that from.

 

Having said that, over those 27 games his record is worse

 

P27 W8 D11 L 8

 

29% win rate

 

Which brings him down to worse than Jack Charlton, Bill Mcgarry and Richard Dinnis.

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Time for an update of this HF?

 

 

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Joe Kinnear is now statistically the worst manager in Newcastle history bar Ossie Ardiles.

 

Should he lose to the Mackems and West Brom (he couldn't, could he?), he'll drop to dead last.

 

 

Seem to have lost that spreadie when changing PCs

 

I'll will have to resurrect it.

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Barton on Goals on Sunday said that Llambias is lucky that the club has a very talented manager. I think that if Pardew was to leave, I think that our club would be in serious trouble. And no player has had issues with the manager, he's unbeaten this season so far, with some strong performances. He has been honest, especially with relation to QPR game, admitting it was his fault because he got the tactics wrong.

 

I obviously know I'm going to get ripped to shreds on here for this, but I really believe that Pardew is holding our club together and is keeping a good morale amongst the players.

 

Who is really going to want to manage our club if he were to leave?

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I don't know about 'lucky' to have him. He was a very deliberate choice to perform a very clear function, at the expense of an encumbent, good manager. If he does well for us you'd therefore have to concede that it was a good administrative decision, if he does badly then the reverse will apply. But luck won't enter into it one way or another.

 

In terms of what Barton's getting at ie holding the place together because the players want more cash-well yes that will probably be the case to a large degree, but that's very clearly part of his remit. Ie he's the public mouthpiece for the current spending and remuneration policy and he knows he will lose existing players to it/lose transfer targets to it and then have to spin that positively to the media. But again that's the deal he's signed up for. He had the benefit of knowing all this when he took the job on, so it's not like a rug has been pulled from under him, and therefore not as adverse as Barton would imply.

 

Basically Barton should just be honest and say money is his and other players priority and that's an equal cause of the tensions.

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As much as i dont like the bloke, and think that he needs to reel in his '100% talk' (basically saying what we want to hear but knowing theres a 90% chance of it not being true), i agree with you to a point.

 

He's working well with what he's been given, and all things considered we cant knock our start to the season (hidden cracks withstanding).

I'd say the morale of the club has a lot more to do with the players than the manager though.

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I just wonder for example, if Pardew wasnt here, would we see Sammy Ameobi on the pitch? Would Best have got a shot, which has provided crucial goals? Would Hughton have stuck with the Ameobi/lovenkrands partnership?

 

I also genuinely believe that Pardew is told the same lies we hear, ie 35 mil will be spent, carroll wont leave.

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If he does well for us you'd therefore have to concede that it was a good administrative decision, if he does badly then the reverse will apply. But luck won't enter into it one way or another.

 

If he does well for us then it is because Ashley got lucky once again with his appointment, as he did with Hughton.

 

Do you honestly believe that Ashley and Llambias sat down and took a good look at Hughton's strengths and weaknesses, then looked at Pardew and saw something in him that no other PL club has? Pardew was appointed for the wrong reasons, I hope he succeeds but if he does I still won't give the board any credit for it.

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Alan Pardew is doing his job.

 

Don't expect me to fawn over him for it.

 

He is doing his job, but do you not think he deserves some credit from us fans?

 

Yeah he deserves credit for doing a good job in a very difficult position. But the way he got the job precludes me from giving him credit for "holding the club together" - he accepted his part in what Ashley had planned for the club. The fact that he's been made to look a twat on a number of occasions by those in charge has meant that people have warmed to him a bit, and I'm sure he's had promises made to him that have been broken since he got here. But he knew the crack when he took the job.

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If he does well for us you'd therefore have to concede that it was a good administrative decision, if he does badly then the reverse will apply. But luck won't enter into it one way or another.

 

If he does well for us then it is because Ashley got lucky once again with his appointment, as he did with Hughton.

 

Do you honestly believe that Ashley and Llambias sat down and took a good look at Hughton's strengths and weaknesses, then looked at Pardew and saw something in him that no other PL club has? Pardew was appointed for the wrong reasons, I hope he succeeds but if he does I still won't give the board any credit for it.

 

I dunno about that like. My point wasn't that I thought it was a masterstroke that I'd hail them from the rooftops for, just that it wasn't a luck based decision. I think they had a clear view of how the budget was going to go down and they wanted a yes man on board for that and Pardew fit that bill. That's the 'holding together' aspect of it, because he will continue to toe the party line and create the conditions for unity far more so than a manager who could reasonably claim they'd been misled about the clubs plans. If he turns out to be a competent manager against that backdrop (and it presents management issues of itself, perhaps even the most challenging single issue), then in that respect it will have been a 'good' decision from the board. It might very easily not turn out that way however and even if it does, it's not to say it's necessarily in the best interests of the club in the broader sense of the debate.

 

I s'pose I just see Pardew for what he is. You have to accept he'll come out with mealy mouthed shit when we lose a player/fail to sign a player and that he'll be the last to point the finger where it ought to be pointed (the stuff that gets on everyone's tits), but that in terms of keeping stability within the playing squad amidst the inevitable upheaval of player sales, that is a quality that is very much required. If it's at the expense of basic footballing/tactical nous however (what you're getting at I think) then you start to ascribe how much weight you give to each. If he turns out to be utter shit re: the latter then it won't matter in the slightest how good he is at 'keeping the peace'.

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