Alan Pardew - Poltroon sacked by a forrin team

[ChezGiven 0]

I dont think his record is anything to write home about and we need to wait to see where we are after christmas. I still dont see where he is a proven liar though and the stuff about whispering in ears or being snide behind Hughton's back is just made up. What we do know from one of the people who was privvy to the deal (i wont say anymore in the open, if you want more details, pm me) is that Pardew was lined up weeks beforehand. That was Ashley's snideness, not Pardew's. Reading the inside account of the deal elsewhere does not reveal anything about Pardew's behaviour, just Ashley's.

 

People say no one can blame Smith for sitting on his arse and picking up 60k a week, well by the same moral standards, no one can blame Pardew for willingly accepting the job of his life, despite is being unfair on Hughton. To some its ok to say that Pardew 'engineered the sacking of Hughton'. I think it sounds daft.

 

I dont get the continued hostility to Pardew because if you dont give him credit, who do you give it to? Its only credit for holding things together, integrating new players, changing the style of the team, handling morale sapping episodes in the press, winning games, beating the mackems and remaining unbeaten. Its nowt really.....

[Meenzer 13991]

Posted elsewhere previously, but there's never a bad time for:

 

 

[Happy Face 29]

[One of the hard truths about football coaching is that while many managers recognise the value of defensive discipline and team shape, spending hours doing it on the training pitch is a sure-fire method for ensuring most of the team get bored.

 

Newcastle, who have hardly been known for their strength in this area in recent years, have come up with a straightforward solution which has kept their players switched on and helped earn them the title of the Premier League's meanest defence heading into this weekend's fixtures.

 

Twice a week manager Alan Pardew splits his training sessions into two and drags his defenders away to work on positioning and covering and, while it is not exactly rocket science, the regularity of the sessions is clearly making an impact.

 

 

 

The Newcastle defence has significantly improved since last season.

 

 

First-team coach Steve Stone says there have been several factors in the Magpies' success this season, which has seen them rise to fourth in the Premier League table.

 

But combining hard work on the training pitch, detailed video analysis and weekly "defenders' meetings" has led to the usually porous defence conceding only four goals in seven league games.

 

"Newcastle have been a bit gung-ho in the past with the centre-halves marauding forward and the like, but you can't really play like that in Premier League," Stone says.

 

"If you are out of position and you lose the ball, teams can cut through you so quickly. When you play Manchester United, Arsenal or Tottenham, for example, you are at your weakest when you have the ball, when you are attacking or when you have a corner.

 

"That's when they can hurt you because you are out of position so we try and make sure we are in position as much as possible.

 

"Me and [assistant manager] John Carver take the forwards, and the manager takes the defenders away and we've introduced certain principles into the tactics so that, for instance, it doesn't matter if Ryan Taylor was to play right-back or left-back, he knows exactly what he has to do adjacent to the positions that the centre-halves are in.

 

"Basically, the manager runs through every scenario of where the players should be when the ball is in a certain position, whether it's a wide area, a central area, a goal kick, or whatever.

 

"It is something that actually started to come together last season and the manager said we'd be better at it this season once they understood his principles."

 

Those sceptical of Newcastle's lofty position will argue that they have yet to face any of the Premier League's big sides this season.

 

The team's equilibrium will be put to the test when they play Tottenham on Sunday before they come up against Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea in the space of three weeks beginning in November.

 

But Stone, who was promoted to the first-team staff when Pardew replaced Chris Hughton last December, believes the squad has an added depth to combat those challenges.

 

The departures of Kevin Nolan, Andy Carroll, Jose Enrique and Joey Barton left some fans feeling that the club was going in the wrong direction, particularly as there was no big-name signing to replace the £35m Carroll.

 

In their places, however, the likes of Demba Ba, Gabriel Obertan and Sylvain Marveaux have all added extra pace to the side, while Yohan Cabaye has proven a perfect foil for Cheik Tiote in central midfield.

 

"We now have five or six strikers vying for two places so they know they need to do well otherwise they'll be out [of] the team," Stone adds. "Last year we had to play the same two strikers, the same wide men and we didn't have any options coming from the bench.

 

"Now it's very strong and we have good players available. Look at Dan Gosling, who is an England under-21 international - he couldn't get in the squad recently; Shane Ferguson too. That's another reason why we have started well, because we have a fighting team spirit."

 

There is still money in the pot to bring in another striker in January, Stone says, but he insists that any potential purchase will have to suit what the team needs. There will be no star signings for the sake of it.

 

That sort of reasoning, combined with praise from his players, gives the impression that Pardew has not only restored some method to the madness at Newcastle, but also a significant boost to his reputation.

 

After his sacking by Southampton in August 2010, Pardew's appointment was met with indifference by Newcastle fans last winter.

 

Yet Stone has been impressed with the former Reading, Charlton and West Ham boss and says his man-management is a real asset.

 

"Tactically, he is as good as anyone," says Stone. "Some managers dither on the sidelines and that can cost you, but he will change things because he believes in his own ability and his own decisions. Managers earn their corn on match days don't they?

 

"He's got to work with the team all week, but he speaks very well and speaks in a way that gets players on side with him. It's not a rollocking, it's asking them to do it rather than telling them to do it so everybody feels part of a group.

 

"He treats players like adults where I've seen other managers treat players like kids and they don't respond to that at all. He has been in the game a long time as a manager so it's not like he has stepped in at Newcastle and it's all new to him. He understands the game."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thefootballtacticsblog/2011/10/newcastle_profit_from_pardews.html

[LoveTheBobby 1]

BigPards is doing another of his live staged Q&A's on Radio Newcastle tomorrow (Thurs) I see.

 

It's an hour you don't get back.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/9391290.stm

[LeazesMag 0]

"But my directors are from that world, they want to socialise in that world and there have been occasions — and will be in the future — when I go in there with them."

 

The photo is just of him in the casino at the table. The chips were meant to be 5k chips, Ashley had them but you couldnt make any of that out from the actual photo.

 

Its a shame you and many others think that way about him but thats life and thats the game he is in. I expect he is under no doubts about his popularity. Done a good job, no matter anyone's personal opinions about him.

 

personal opinions tend to affect the judgement of people ........... I've been saying it for years but it is true. It shouldn't, but it does.

 

Pardew is a good manager, I made a post on NO years ago when he was at Reading about him. He is miles better than Hughton, having said that, his appointment is more luck than judgement by the owner and his sidekick, who will sack him eventually for not qualifying for europe on the cheap and being forced to sell his best players, or he will do such a good job that someone who backs their managers properly comes in and takes him.

[Guest alex]

I dont think his record is anything to write home about and we need to wait to see where we are after christmas. I still dont see where he is a proven liar though and the stuff about whispering in ears or being snide behind Hughton's back is just made up. What we do know from one of the people who was privvy to the deal (i wont say anymore in the open, if you want more details, pm me) is that Pardew was lined up weeks beforehand. That was Ashley's snideness, not Pardew's. Reading the inside account of the deal elsewhere does not reveal anything about Pardew's behaviour, just Ashley's.

 

People say no one can blame Smith for sitting on his arse and picking up 60k a week, well by the same moral standards, no one can blame Pardew for willingly accepting the job of his life, despite is being unfair on Hughton. To some its ok to say that Pardew 'engineered the sacking of Hughton'. I think it sounds daft.

 

I dont get the continued hostility to Pardew because if you dont give him credit, who do you give it to? Its only credit for holding things together, integrating new players, changing the style of the team, handling morale sapping episodes in the press, winning games, beating the mackems and remaining unbeaten. Its nowt really.....

Spot on that like.

[Park Life 70]

I never really bigged Hughton up on here or elsewhere because I thought he was only decent doing a decent job under difficult conditions, I admired him as a person but imo he wasn't a long term solution at a club like Newcastle. Pardew is for me a good manager, doing an excellent job under a tight budget. For me he has got it wrong a couple of times and got away with it: Qpr and Wolves.

For me the fact that he's kept us unbeaten with a couple of iffy fullbacks in the side and one out of position says a lot about his ability to get the team to play one notch above its collective ability. I also think he IS pushing for transfer movement in Jan, he made some revealing comments with regard to the squad and possible issues when inj arrive, sounds ot me these were disclosure about the philosophy of our budgets and squad size that I believe is being debated behind the scenes.

 

Pardew for me is a clear step up from Hughton.

[Happy Face 29]

I dont think his record is anything to write home about and we need to wait to see where we are after christmas. I still dont see where he is a proven liar though and the stuff about whispering in ears or being snide behind Hughton's back is just made up. What we do know from one of the people who was privvy to the deal (i wont say anymore in the open, if you want more details, pm me) is that Pardew was lined up weeks beforehand. That was Ashley's snideness, not Pardew's. Reading the inside account of the deal elsewhere does not reveal anything about Pardew's behaviour, just Ashley's.

 

People say no one can blame Smith for sitting on his arse and picking up 60k a week, well by the same moral standards, no one can blame Pardew for willingly accepting the job of his life, despite is being unfair on Hughton. To some its ok to say that Pardew 'engineered the sacking of Hughton'. I think it sounds daft.

 

I dont get the continued hostility to Pardew because if you dont give him credit, who do you give it to? Its only credit for holding things together, integrating new players, changing the style of the team, handling morale sapping episodes in the press, winning games, beating the mackems and remaining unbeaten. Its nowt really.....

Spot on that like.

 

Gets surreal when the people who say Pardew is a job theiving scumbag are the same ones who complain Robson was sacked without a replacement in waiting.

 

The sort of thing only Gladys can justify to himself.

[Happy Face 29]

I never really bigged Hughton up on here or elsewhere because I thought he was only decent doing a decent job under difficult conditions, I admired him as a person but imo he wasn't a long term solution at a club like Newcastle. Pardew is for me a good manager, doing an excellent job under a tight budget. For me he has got it wrong a couple of times and got away with it: Qpr and Wolves.

For me the fact that he's kept us unbeaten with a couple of iffy fullbacks in the side and one out of position says a lot about his ability to get the team to play one notch above its collective ability. I also think he IS pushing for transfer movement in Jan, he made some revealing comments with regard to the squad and possible issues when inj arrive, sounds ot me these were disclosure about the philosophy of our budgets and squad size that I believe is being debated behind the scenes.

 

Pardew for me is a clear step up from Hughton.

 

Who are the rest of your posts for?

[Ayatollah Hermione 12739]

Aye, fair play to Pardew for his job. The team spirit can only be because none of the players know he's rattling their wives yet. Except Cabaye's because who would ever cheat on him?

[hostile_statue 0]

Aye, fair play to Pardew for his job. The team spirit can only be because none of the players know he's rattling their wives yet. Except Cabaye's because who would ever cheat on him?

 

Cabaye's wife should be more worried, tbh.

[Ayatollah Hermione 12739]

Aye, fair play to Pardew for his job. The team spirit can only be because none of the players know he's rattling their wives yet. Except Cabaye's because who would ever cheat on him?

 

Cabaye's wife should be more worried, tbh.

 

Cabaye is a man of true honour. I bet his reckless days are all behind him now.

[Guest alex]

Think the revisionism about the job Hughton did here is a bit unfair like. To me, personally, from my point of view it is anyway.

[Tom 13820]

When he was sacked we were 11th - Pardew finished 12th.

 

I don't think Hughton was sacked over results.

[Ayatollah Hermione 12739]

Think the revisionism about the job Hughton did here is a bit unfair like. To me, personally, from my point of view it is anyway.

 

Agreed. He basically laid the foundations for everything we're seeing with regards to spirit, togetherness and even getting some connection and respect back with the fans

 

and the players. Started us on the way to staying up comfortably last season as well and really got the best out of a group of players who we thought were lost causes. Got Coloccini settled and playing, got Nolan scoring, brought Carroll along ridiculously well, got Barton to keep his head down and play well and that's before mentioning him walking the Championship, 5-1 against the Mackems, beating Arsenal away, steam rolling Villa, looking class in a suit etc.

[hostile_statue 0]

When he was sacked we were 11th - Pardew finished 12th.

 

I don't think Hughton was sacked over results.

 

Obviously Ashley was just waiting for the right moment.

[Happy Face 29]

Hope to god it isn't Pardew he is woeful.

 

[Guest alex]

[acrossthepond 699]

Hope to god it isn't Pardew he is woeful.

 

 

Cheap shot, like. It's not as though many of us were thinking anything different at the time. You judge people on past experience, and Pardew had been sacked at Charlton after taking them down, then sacked at 3rd division Sarfampton, His track record was nothing better than average.

[Happy Face 29]

Hope to god it isn't Pardew he is woeful.

 

 

Cheap shot, like. It's not as though many of us were thinking anything different at the time. You judge people on past experience, and Pardew had been sacked at Charlton after taking them down, then sacked at 3rd division Sarfampton, His track record was nothing better than average.

 

Parky was right at the time. I'm urging caution about forgetting his past experience.

 

Best to judge him on his last 5 jobs rather than his last 5 games.

 

Of course, if he does a good job here long-term, we should re-evaluate based on the new experience. As yet, no better than Hughton though.

[ChezGiven 0]

Or you could just enjoy things for what they are. I know you do that at the match, so i assume the way you go on on here is not reflective of your demeanour in SJP but imo we should just try and enjoy things going well, realistically of course.

[Happy Face 29]

Or you could just enjoy things for what they are. I know you do that at the match, so i assume the way you go on on here is not reflective of your demeanour in SJP but imo we should just try and enjoy things going well, realistically of course.

 

I'm like Partridge with Bond, as much as I enjoy it personally, I hate it when people get it wrong.

[LeazesMag 0]

I never really bigged Hughton up on here or elsewhere because I thought he was only decent doing a decent job under difficult conditions, I admired him as a person but imo he wasn't a long term solution at a club like Newcastle. Pardew is for me a good manager, doing an excellent job under a tight budget. For me he has got it wrong a couple of times and got away with it: Qpr and Wolves.

For me the fact that he's kept us unbeaten with a couple of iffy fullbacks in the side and one out of position says a lot about his ability to get the team to play one notch above its collective ability. I also think he IS pushing for transfer movement in Jan, he made some revealing comments with regard to the squad and possible issues when inj arrive, sounds ot me these were disclosure about the philosophy of our budgets and squad size that I believe is being debated behind the scenes.

 

Pardew for me is a clear step up from Hughton.

 

I agree with every word of that, and is why I also think that eventually, he will either be sacked for showing this impatience with the lack of ambition whether expressed or hinted at publicly or not [highly possible] just like Hughton was, or another club that will back him better ie someone like Wigan or Stoke, will recognise his ability and he will walk away.

[Park Life 70]

Hope to god it isn't Pardew he is woeful.

 

 

Cheap shot, like. It's not as though many of us were thinking anything different at the time. You judge people on past experience, and Pardew had been sacked at Charlton after taking them down, then sacked at 3rd division Sarfampton, His track record was nothing better than average.

 

Parky was right at the time. I'm urging caution about forgetting his past experience.

 

Best to judge him on his last 5 jobs rather than his last 5 games.

 

Of course, if he does a good job here long-term, we should re-evaluate based on the new experience. As yet, no better than Hughton though.

 

Even when I'm wrong I'm right.

 

Pardew has surprised me. He seems much more cohesive with a realistic overview and comes across well most of the time in the media. He's got that hair right now as well, the bit that flicks across.

[Toonpack 6766]

Excellent hour long session on Radio Newcastle tonight. Came across VERY well.

 

It's on iPlayer on their site I believe, worth a listen.