Tom 13830 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I think giving him a number represents progress to be honest. If he was a dead cert to leave they probably wouldn't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13830 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I think De Jong was always getting his number of choice tbh & rightly so - when Colo finally gets his dream move to San Lorenzo, Siem will be captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8973 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 A team with Simpson, Williamson, Jonas and Ameobi as first choice good enough for top 5/6, are you serious? Not to mention getting a maximum of half a season out of Ben Arfa (even in his best spell). Adequate to stay up for plenty off here at the start of each season. Adequate for anything other than what was achieved for the rest. You were quite pro Pardew for a lot of that, probably too much. Now you seem to have swung too far in the other direction. Weird then that the team I suggested got 5th. Pardew knew the tune he'd be made to dance to. He's an average manager, but he is a cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3969 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Weird then that the team I suggested got 5th. Pardew knew the tune he'd be made to dance to. He's an average manager, but he is a cunt. On a point of order we wouldn't have finished fifth without Cisse's arrival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8973 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 On a point of order we wouldn't have finished fifth without Cisse's arrival.Who knows? Did Ba stop scoring because he was pushed wide? The point is, Patfew had an adequate squad to achieve 5th, and definitely a squad capAble of winning a cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Who knows? Did Ba stop scoring because he was pushed wide? The point is, Patfew had an adequate squad to achieve 5th, and definitely a squad capAble of winning a cup. Blame the manager when things go wrong, but give him no credit when we perform. Nice. Man-u, Man-c, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham all had infinitely better squads. Edited August 7, 2014 by Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8973 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 And 2 of those had shocking seasons by their standards. Pardew is an average manager who benefited from a perfect storm. He deserves credit for that, very few managers are average Premier League standard. Any talent he has is both stymied and exaggerated by the players he's had at his disposal (few if any of the stars being his choice). Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Ba, Remy, Debuchy, Colo. are all better players than Pardew is a manager. Taylor, Williamson, Perch and players like Gouffran are his level. Could he get a team of the latter type established in the premier league? Possibly. Could he consistently get a team of the former into Europe? Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34299 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Ah shut your shit, you're boring me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Pardew is an average manager He's closer to the median actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30327 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Ah shut your shit, you're boring me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22450901 (only to 11 May 2013) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonasjuice 0 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Better than Martinez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8973 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 He's closer to the median actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Better than Martinez Not as good as di canio though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bictor 0 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Pardew overachieved in 2011/12, underachieved in 2012/13 and we were about where we should've been in 2013/14. Average manager. Not as bad as people make him out to be, but still a cunt. Edited August 7, 2014 by Bictor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 MEDIAN manager!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14029 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Median manager, mean owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 taking his number 10 off him isn't progress though that's deliberate disrespect, they're giving him a number because they can't force him out and he is still better than anything we've got just daft. as well as dicking every fucker over who has bought a shirt with his name/number on the back at some point tbh Your making far too big a deal of it to be fair. He's fallen well down the pecking order and to be honest with the noises over the summer it looked like he wouldn't even be given a number. Yes the situation itself hasn't been managed well but it's Pardew and he's infamous for his man-management ineptitude. Ben Arfa is in limbo but the fact he's in the squad suggests there's scope for him to work hard and get back in the picture but I doubt that will happen as at this point in time all he wants is to fuck off somewhere else and I don't blame him really with the way things have degenerated for him over the past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Are there any photos knocking about of him recently? Is he still a blobasaurus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26210 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Not according to this at the end of last month. Though dark colours are supposed to be slimming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19770 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 definitely a cunt manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Not according to this at the end of last month. Though dark colours are supposed to be slimming. Cheers Deffo slimmer than 11 year old David Mitchell. Bit to go before he weighs less than 12 year old Tilda Swinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14029 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Cheers Deffo slimmer than 11 year old David Mitchell. Bit to go before he weighs less than 12 year old Tilda Swinton. A fine call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19770 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 shut your shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 6 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 And 2 of those had shocking seasons by their standards. Pardew is an average manager who benefited from a perfect storm. He deserves credit for that, very few managers are average Premier League standard. Any talent he has is both stymied and exaggerated by the players he's had at his disposal (few if any of the stars being his choice). Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Ba, Remy, Debuchy, Colo. are all better players than Pardew is a manager. Taylor, Williamson, Perch and players like Gouffran are his level. Could he get a team of the latter type established in the premier league? Possibly. Could he consistently get a team of the former into Europe? Not a chance. You list some good player, but he's only ever had 11 "purple" players and some of them were questionable (Simpson). Most of the top 6 teams have 15-20 high earners. So he should definitely get a lot more credit than people give him. It's a long season, so the outcome is no fluke. Average median is fair assessment, if you accept we can't attract an elite manager. I'd possibly put him at the middle-to-higher end of average 6-10th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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