Rob W 0 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 correct a bit of weed just mellows most people but serious heroin users are in real danger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anth 54 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 correct a bit of weed just mellows most people but serious heroin users are in real danger To be honest, I don't think weed is as harmless as alot of people make out. A close friend of mine is currently seeing a Psychiatrist due to smoking it every day in his teens. Though thats obviously down to his addictive personality and I'm sure if he drank every day, his liver would have packed in, and just because there are alcoholics doesn't mean we should ban alcohol. I don't think drugs are cool by the way, nor am I advocating the use of them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5890 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Do people honestly believe that? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC135493/ http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/he...-40-459184.html http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,...2005559,00.html It's a proven fact that there are links between psychosis and cannabis use. Search the BMJ or countless other peer reviewed journals for the facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anth 54 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Do people honestly believe that? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC135493/ http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/he...-40-459184.html http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,...2005559,00.html It's a proven fact that there are links between psychosis and cannabis use. Search the BMJ or countless other peer reviewed journals for the facts I haven't got time to read those links due to being at work, but surely the risk comes from heavy use? We know Alcohol causes damage when used excessively, yet it is still legal as the vast majority can enjoy a night out without drinking all day everyday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5890 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Yes and no. One episode of binging, say a weekend away, can result in a mental breakdown that has lasting effects for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Do people honestly believe that? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC135493/ http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/he...-40-459184.html http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,...2005559,00.html It's a proven fact that there are links between psychosis and cannabis use. Search the BMJ or countless other peer reviewed journals for the facts If you have a pre-disposition. I agree there is certainly harm from cannabis and this needs to be taken account of in policy. It all depends on your perspective though, people have a pre-disposition to die from peanuts, we dont ban them though. You see what i mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5890 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Interesting that of the 58 people to have voted in this poll, 49 of them don't regularly do drugs anymore. Why is that if they are harmless and fun as many are making out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5890 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Do people honestly believe that? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC135493/ http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/he...-40-459184.html http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,...2005559,00.html It's a proven fact that there are links between psychosis and cannabis use. Search the BMJ or countless other peer reviewed journals for the facts If you have a pre-disposition. I agree there is certainly harm from cannabis and this needs to be taken account of in policy. It all depends on your perspective though, people have a pre-disposition to die from peanuts, we dont ban them though. You see what i mean? You can test for an allergy to peanuts though. You can't test your brain to see if drugs will fuck you up. Hence why drugs are illegal and peanuts arent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19744 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 You definitely need to worry about your spelling before you worry about me. This whole drugs are cool bag is tragic tbh i don't see anyone saying on here that doing drugs makes you cool. they're just another way to let off some steam. no worse than having a drink if you ask me. each to their own like but no one likes a preacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anth 54 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Yes and no. One episode of binging, say a weekend away, can result in a mental breakdown that has lasting effects for life. I cannot really comment as I haven't had time to read your links, but that sound canny questionable. I'll have a look at lunch time... I don't smoke it btw, horrible stuff Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Yes and no. One episode of binging, say a weekend away, can result in a mental breakdown that has lasting effects for life. as can having one beer too many and wrapping your car around a tree on the A1 it's proportionality that is the key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5890 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I know I'm flogging a dead horse here but it's not questionable, I've seen it first hand when I worked for the crisis team. There are other doctors and nurses on here who can corroborate that fact I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anth 54 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Interesting that of the 58 people to have voted in this poll, 49 of them don't regularly do drugs anymore. Why is that if they are harmless and fun as many are making out? When I was 18, I used to be able to go out on a school night and feel fine the next day. Now I can't as hangovers get worse the older you get. I'd say its a similar sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19744 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 You definitely need to worry about your spelling before you worry about me. This whole drugs are cool bag is tragic tbh i don't see anyone saying on here that doing drugs makes you cool. they're just another way to let off some steam. no worse than having a drink if you ask me. each to their own like but no one likes a preacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Do people honestly believe that? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC135493/ http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/he...-40-459184.html http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,...2005559,00.html It's a proven fact that there are links between psychosis and cannabis use. Search the BMJ or countless other peer reviewed journals for the facts If you have a pre-disposition. I agree there is certainly harm from cannabis and this needs to be taken account of in policy. It all depends on your perspective though, people have a pre-disposition to die from peanuts, we dont ban them though. You see what i mean? You can test for an allergy to peanuts though. You can't test your brain to see if drugs will fuck you up. Hence why drugs are illegal and peanuts arent So if you could test for a pre-disposition to pyschosis, cannabis should be made legal? Very far from a hypothetical question as its genetic. I dont think being able to test for potential harm drives drugs policy does it? The point is about 'harm' surely, not whether you can predict the harm. Once the debate is framed correctly, then you have to consider the consistent application of policy to all situation of preventable harm. Which is why food manufacturers have to produce information on potential nut traces. The policy is about information and education, not banning. Whether its a peanut or a drug, whether you can test or not, these are not the key issues. Its harm that you want to avoid and that should drive policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19744 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 You definitely need to worry about your spelling before you worry about me. This whole drugs are cool bag is tragic tbh i don't see anyone saying on here that doing drugs makes you cool. they're just another way to let off some steam. no worse than having a drink if you ask me. each to their own like but no one likes a preacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5890 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I think you mentioned that once or thrice already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 6432 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 don't think I've seen anyone on here say or even intimate that drugs are cool. Having fun is good, and it is up to each and all of us to decide what that is and crack on as long as it harms no one else. That is unless you wish to accept that government knows best. The government that makes billions taxing cigarettes, driving and alcohol to the hilt. But that's okay because they are all completely safe things to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5890 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Cigarettes and Alcohol were too popular before the harmful effects were fully known for them to be outlawed. If, in a parallel universe these were to be discovered tomorrow they would both be class A drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 In all fairness J69, I don't see anyone saying on here that doing drugs makes you cool. they're just another way to let off some steam. no worse than having a drink if you ask me. each to their own like but no one likes a preacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5890 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19744 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Life would be a barrell of laughs if you ruled the world, j69. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 I think banning drugs is a a joke in a democratic society. People should be free to make their own decisions even if some of them are perceived as stupid. I've made more stupid decisions in the bookies, with women, with purchases and with my mouth then I ever have with drugs. It's alright saying you've seen the effects of misuse, but it only comes in to the equasion when it's over indulgence, rather than occasional use. 1 in 22m people die taking an e for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34190 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 The articles you posted say there is a risk amongst youths, and from what I've read smoking cannabis whilst the brain is still in a development phase can be dangerous. For adults though, I'm not sure a link has been proven. . I saw a video of a study where they gave cannabis to adolescent mice and then tested the impact on their ability to remember stuff, and it definitely fucked their memories up in later life. As I mentioned earlier correlation had been proven (people with psychological problems are more likely to smoke weed), but not a causal relationship. Which is basically what the Time article said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I'm willing to bet that if we sat down with J69 for a couple of hours to unpick his puritanical world view some freaky shit would come to the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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