Gene_Clark 12 Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 your goals are to get yourself known as a superfan stormy petrel and leader of the underlings among newcastle fans who don't understand as well as you do how to "support." your mantra is CONFORM! CONSUME! OBEY! this is why you wish to see fans buying the orange shirt, as to you it is a sign of obedience to the vanguard elite in which you are positioning yourself. you denounce anyone who sees the existence of complicated truths over simple lies and use your power as admin here to ridicule opposition. As you've made a fool of yourself with little assistance I've taken your PM down but you didn't do what you were asked. I asked you to substantiate one of your bogus claims. apology accepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 your goals are to get yourself known as a superfan stormy petrel and leader of the underlings among newcastle fans who don't understand as well as you do how to "support." your mantra is CONFORM! CONSUME! OBEY! this is why you wish to see fans buying the orange shirt, as to you it is a sign of obedience to the vanguard elite in which you are positioning yourself. you denounce anyone who sees the existence of complicated truths over simple lies and use your power as admin here to ridicule opposition. You is propa marxist genie of the dialectics and so on? Or Trotsky version....? Proper Marxist www.worldsocialism.org gives you an inkling where i'm at..... Take a peek. But only a peek mind.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13817 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 apology accepted Gene, now don't take this the wrong way... You're a bit mental aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene_Clark 12 Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 apology accepted Gene, now don't take this the wrong way... You're a bit mental aren't you? no, just older & wiser than you. but don't worry, like joey barton you'll grow up one day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13817 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 But you can't even begin to substantiate anything you've said about me? ''pathetic moaning old bastard'' Nail on head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 apology accepted Gene, now don't take this the wrong way... You're a bit mental aren't you? no, just older & wiser than you. but don't worry, like joey barton you'll grow up one day I thought Barton's refusal to 'obey' would be right up your strasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13817 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Gene, are you allowed back on the Nexus forum yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene_Clark 12 Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 Barton probably sees himself as Rosa Parkes II after being hauled off the bus on Sunday, but the fact is many people who've suffered mental health issues and / or addictions reinterpret the world as revolving entirely around them. This monomania is the way they explain their place in the world & often can be characterised by rampant egotism and / or paranoia. Barton is clearly suffering some of that; it isn't an illness, it's just a lack of perspective. Eventually he'll realise he's arsed up, but by then he'll be long away from Tyneside. however, I genuinely pity those who see Barton as the person round whom to build a protest. He's an arrogant, pampered multi millionaire who was great last year but shit for 3 before that, including 6 months in jail & a lengthy ban, when he took the club's money without a flicker of conscience. Not to mention stinging us for the £300k signing on fee citeh wouldn't pay him. Ashley is a shitbag, but Barton isn't his polar opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Christmas Tree 3997 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Barton probably sees himself as Rosa Parkes II after being hauled off the bus on Sunday, but the fact is many people who've suffered mental health issues and / or addictions reinterpret the world as revolving entirely around them. This monomania is the way they explain their place in the world & often can be characterised by rampant egotism and / or paranoia. Barton is clearly suffering some of that; it isn't an illness, it's just a lack of perspective. Eventually he'll realise he's arsed up, but by then he'll be long away from Tyneside. however, I genuinely pity those who see Barton as the person round whom to build a protest. He's an arrogant, pampered multi millionaire who was great last year but shit for 3 before that, including 6 months in jail & a lengthy ban, when he took the club's money without a flicker of conscience. Not to mention stinging us for the £300k signing on fee citeh wouldn't pay him. Ashley is a shitbag, but Barton isn't his polar opposite. Good post. Refreshing to see a nice intelligent post on here every now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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McFaul 35 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Barton probably sees himself as Rosa Parkes II after being hauled off the bus on Sunday, but the fact is many people who've suffered mental health issues and / or addictions reinterpret the world as revolving entirely around them. This monomania is the way they explain their place in the world & often can be characterised by rampant egotism and / or paranoia. Barton is clearly suffering some of that; it isn't an illness, it's just a lack of perspective. Eventually he'll realise he's arsed up, but by then he'll be long away from Tyneside. however, I genuinely pity those who see Barton as the person round whom to build a protest. He's an arrogant, pampered multi millionaire who was great last year but shit for 3 before that, including 6 months in jail & a lengthy ban, when he took the club's money without a flicker of conscience. Not to mention stinging us for the £300k signing on fee citeh wouldn't pay him. Ashley is a shitbag, but Barton isn't his polar opposite. Would you not have held out for money you were contractually owed like? 300k isn't a fortune, there's a principle involved there. Anyway we all know Barton's past I was his most fierce critic, he's behaved for 2 years and he's basically done nothing that I wouldn't do if I was in his position since then. Deflecting the disgrace that has went on above him, by focussing on what you believe is his egotistical tendencies, in my view brands you as a certified DOILUM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Barton probably sees himself as Rosa Parkes II after being hauled off the bus on Sunday, but the fact is many people who've suffered mental health issues and / or addictions reinterpret the world as revolving entirely around them. This monomania is the way they explain their place in the world & often can be characterised by rampant egotism and / or paranoia. Barton is clearly suffering some of that; it isn't an illness, it's just a lack of perspective. Eventually he'll realise he's arsed up, but by then he'll be long away from Tyneside. however, I genuinely pity those who see Barton as the person round whom to build a protest. He's an arrogant, pampered multi millionaire who was great last year but shit for 3 before that, including 6 months in jail & a lengthy ban, when he took the club's money without a flicker of conscience. Not to mention stinging us for the £300k signing on fee citeh wouldn't pay him. Ashley is a shitbag, but Barton isn't his polar opposite. I wouldn't disagree with all of that. However, I'm not sure the protestors you're characterising actually exist beyond a few kids on twitter. I don't think the average fan subscribes to the notion of Joey Barton as martyred saint. I do think he's a lot more down to earth than your average premier league footballer though and I do think he's sorted himself out to a large degree. We didn't win a game without him last season either. He probably should've known better than to make those 'tweets' but at the same time he's probably fucking sick of the state of the club. He's not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13817 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Stevie with the coup de grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Hey Chez, the apocalypse has arrived. He's gone awfy quiet like. but to be fair he was quiet for a few days before the news too. Having persisted with his 'sensible business' line of thinking following the Carroll sale and most of this window this must be a shattering blow though. I'd be surprised if Chez persists with the 'wait and see' angle now. You can still put that logical business angle on it...but you have to arrive at the conclusion they're making fucking diabolical footballing choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene_Clark 12 Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 Would you not have held out for money you were contractually owed like? 300k isn't a fortune, there's a principle involved there. Anyway we all know Barton's past I was his most fierce critic, he's behaved for 2 years and he's basically done nothing that I wouldn't do if I was in his position since then. Deflecting the disgrace that has went on above him, by focussing on what you believe is his egotistical tendencies, in my view brands you as a certified DOILUM. I take the point about wanting what he contractually was owed, but the fact was he was prepared to sit on his arse until it got paid - similar to his possible future here if no club comes in for him. If you wish to about contracts then I think we need to be aware of employment law. As a Union branch secretary I know quite a bit about this after dealing with redundancies and disciplinaries in the past however many years. firstly, his incident in McDonald's ought to have seen him, at best, get a final warning for the catch all reason of bringing employer in to disrepute, which is in every contract & staff code of conduct i've ever seen. consequently behaving himself for 2 years is the minimum we should expect and if you think that his conduct on Twitter has been acceptable then i think you need to inquire as to your shop steward's availability if you're about to launch a barrage of negative publicity about your employer in to cyberspace. while above him the club is a disgrace, Barton has engineered this situation, either deliberately or accidentally. He is the winner in this as he can now negotiate another fat contract with a new club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammynb 2929 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 He's not the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene_Clark 12 Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 Barton probably sees himself as Rosa Parkes II after being hauled off the bus on Sunday, but the fact is many people who've suffered mental health issues and / or addictions reinterpret the world as revolving entirely around them. This monomania is the way they explain their place in the world & often can be characterised by rampant egotism and / or paranoia. Barton is clearly suffering some of that; it isn't an illness, it's just a lack of perspective. Eventually he'll realise he's arsed up, but by then he'll be long away from Tyneside. however, I genuinely pity those who see Barton as the person round whom to build a protest. He's an arrogant, pampered multi millionaire who was great last year but shit for 3 before that, including 6 months in jail & a lengthy ban, when he took the club's money without a flicker of conscience. Not to mention stinging us for the £300k signing on fee citeh wouldn't pay him. Ashley is a shitbag, but Barton isn't his polar opposite. I wouldn't disagree with all of that. However, I'm not sure the protestors you're characterising actually exist beyond a few kids on twitter. I don't think the average fan subscribes to the notion of Joey Barton as martyred saint. I do think he's a lot more down to earth than your average premier league footballer though and I do think he's sorted himself out to a large degree. We didn't win a game without him last season either. He probably should've known better than to make those 'tweets' but at the same time he's probably fucking sick of the state of the club. He's not the problem. The protests, as ever, will be stillborn. i agree Barton is a fascinating case & he's made amazing personal progress, but he's a work in progress. He may not be the problem, but it has all worked out nicely for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Barton probably sees himself as Rosa Parkes II after being hauled off the bus on Sunday, but the fact is many people who've suffered mental health issues and / or addictions reinterpret the world as revolving entirely around them. This monomania is the way they explain their place in the world & often can be characterised by rampant egotism and / or paranoia. Barton is clearly suffering some of that; it isn't an illness, it's just a lack of perspective. Eventually he'll realise he's arsed up, but by then he'll be long away from Tyneside. however, I genuinely pity those who see Barton as the person round whom to build a protest. He's an arrogant, pampered multi millionaire who was great last year but shit for 3 before that, including 6 months in jail & a lengthy ban, when he took the club's money without a flicker of conscience. Not to mention stinging us for the £300k signing on fee citeh wouldn't pay him. Ashley is a shitbag, but Barton isn't his polar opposite. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Tbh, when the club didn't offer him a new contract the situation had already been engineered for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney 0 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 (edited) If the club thinks getting rid of one vocal staff member will solve all their problems, then we're fucked. The club seems to be rotten and despite what some of the clubs journo's are saying, the atmosphere must be poisonous. Maybe Pardew should just send Carr scouting with the sole trait of 'yes man'. Edited August 2, 2011 by Barney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Hey Chez, the apocalypse has arrived. He's gone awfy quiet like. but to be fair he was quiet for a few days before the news too. Having persisted with his 'sensible business' line of thinking following the Carroll sale and most of this window this must be a shattering blow though. I'd be surprised if Chez persists with the 'wait and see' angle now. You can still put that logical business angle on it...but you have to arrive at the conclusion they're making fucking diabolical footballing choices. Are you preparing the beat down? This I must see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13817 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Barton has stopped drinking and fighting but a lot of the recent developments have been down to an image consultant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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