Rayvin 4964 Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Richard Wright is another good example. Only 240 games played in his career, 35 years old and was signed for Man City last year as a back up. That's his thing though, he goes from club to club as the reliable back up. We had that with Harper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 ps "No loyalty" in football? Gerrard will have been given the opportunity to go to Chelsea on massive wages but stayed with a stuttering Liverpool. He might be a cunt, but he's a loyal cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26282 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) Was there not some truth in the rumours that he may have been coerced into staying with Liverpool? Edited March 23, 2013 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Was there not some truth in the rumours that he may have been coerced into staying with Liverpool? I think there may have been a nugget of truth in that, but it'll have been embellished and exagerrated beyond all recognition from the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Gerrard decided to stay at Liverpool.Gerrard looked at the Chelsea option ( or so we think ) and Gerrard decided he was best off where he was.Loyalty to Liverpool never came into it.Gerrard thought of Gerrard.Harper has done what was best for Harper for 20 years.Now he has no choice but to move and the best of luck to him.If Harpers ambition was to be a professional footballer,then he's achieved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5902 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 ps "No loyalty" in football? Gerrard will have been given the opportunity to go to Chelsea on massive wages but stayed with a stuttering Liverpool. He might be a cunt, but he's a loyal cunt. Â He was on 6 figures a week and had just won the champions league. Wasn't a hardship him staying tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 He was on 6 figures a week and had just won the champions league. Wasn't a hardship him staying tbf Pretty sure he's been a target for quite a few teams and that was before the CL victories. Also, he could have won the Champions League and FA, League cups and the League itself if he'd moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Strange how a pay rise usually accompanies further loyalty.Players will go from kissing one badge to another if the money is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Strange how a pay rise usually accompanies further loyalty.Players will go from kissing one badge to another if the money is right. The fuck are you on about now? Nobody is arguing that loyalty is standard, everybody is saying it is a rare commodity. However, to accuse Steve Harper, of all people, of showing a lack of loyalty is just batshit mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 (edited) How long do you have to stay at a club for the word loyalty to be used. Edited March 23, 2013 by essembeeofsunderland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 How long do you have to stay at a club for the word loyalty to be used. Length of service isn't proof of loyalty. Ashley Cole has been at Chelsea for years, but he's not there for the love of the club is he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 26768 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Â ........Will be here longer than them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38733 Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Oh, but Harper is.So if Man City had come calling a couple of years ago dangling a contract woth £100,000 a week ( lets say Harper was on £25,000 ) he would have said no because of his love/loyalty to NUFC.He's been at Newcastle United for 20 years because it has suited him and the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5902 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 That last line  Is he only loyal if he stays when it doesn't suit either party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38733 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 If it didn't suit him to stay,but stayed totally for the clubs benefit then yes.He's stayed because the package has always suited him.I am yet to be convinced that he has stayed for 20 years through loyalty to the club.So Cole stays at Chelsea for a number of years and it's not through loyalty yet Harper has stayed with us through loyalty.Please explain the difference,if anyone can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarStripes 0 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 It is loyalty. We could call on him whenever. I however think it's a lack of ambition though. I mean he's not hit any heights has he? Sat on the bench almost his entire career here. Â Thankful for it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Me also thankful.Canny lad ( well he comes across as a canny lad ) who has become a millionaire + by having no ambition,and we'd all have done the same,if the package suited us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Oh, but Harper is.So if Man City had come calling a couple of years ago dangling a contract woth £100,000 a week ( lets say Harper was on £25,000 ) he would have said no because of his love/loyalty to NUFC.He's been at Newcastle United for 20 years because it has suited him and the club. What?  Seriously, What?!  In general footballers move clubs for one of three reasons: A) Money, 2) Play at a higher level or, iii) get first team football. Cole stayed with Chelsea because he was playing week in/week out, and he was winning and earning shit loads. Crouch moved from Spurs to Stoke to get guaranteed 1st team football. Tiote moved to Newcastle to earn more money and play regularly at a higher level.  Harper has played 2nd fiddle to top class 'keepers, biding his time and proving he's capable deputy whenever he's got his chance. Occasionally he was playing to such a standard as to usurp Given, who was called one of the world's 5 best 'keepers by Mancini, and was our 1st choice 'keeper for a reasonable amount of his 19 yr (NINETEEN YEAR) career at Newcastle. If he were disloyal he could have thrown a strop when it was clear Given was favoured, and he DEFINITELY would have sought the exit when it was clear Krul was the new No 1. Yet, there he remains, keen to pass on his experience making no waves, and happy to step into the breach whenever he's required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8989 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Me also thankful.Canny lad ( well he comes across as a canny lad ) who has become a millionaire + by having no ambition,and we'd all have done the same,if the package suited us. So you finally admit it's not disloyalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 He's shown `loyalty' to himself (and family ).Living and working in the north east has suted him ( and the £25,000 ) a week. The package has suited him ( being mainly the number 2 keeper ).Would his `loyalty' have been tested if Man City had come calling ( to repeat myself because no one has addressed this scenario and we know why ) and offered him £100,000 to move his` loyalty' to Manchester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13836 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 £25'000 a week man. It's a myth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 And a canny wage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13836 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Surely if a club wants to keep a player and a player wants to stay that's the basic definition of loyalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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