Barney 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Ha ha. Reading it back I realised my mistake. I done a degree in English too... Corrected. Regarding homegrown players, I think we're more than covered with our current crop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardtheLionheart 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Well, looks like everyone else in the equation for Andy were either wishing for a miracle or just using the press as a tool for another means. Unless he stays at Liverpool, it looks like he will be returning home. From what I have been reading, the fee they are asking for is not bad at all. That would still leave room for 20 million in profit and get an older more mature Andy back. I think he has learned some important lessons now and will want to prove to everyone that he is capable of being a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 31 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I'd piss myself if we pulled this off. I mean fucking hell. Roll back 18 months and ask the question to Liverpool "can you lend us 35M please? That will allow us to add significantly better players to our squad to not only secure our status in the league but get us in to Europe. We'll only pay you 15M back mind but you can lend AC for a season because of it?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Nearly all clubs like a coach who just does coaching nowadays..Fergie is the last "top to bottom" manager left now, the rest are just some slightly unusual form of middle mangers who have to motivate millionaires on a daily basis. Good luck with that Brendan I thought Fergie rarely does any of the coaching nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5904 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 BBC sport reporting we are preparing a better offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYD 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 BBC sport reporting we are preparing a better offer Great news if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26292 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 So we're going to be paying all of his £80k pw wages on loan and raise our offer to £17m. Seems reasonably risk free as long as Liverpool agree to the year long loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5904 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Where did you get those figures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinh9 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 If those figures are true- we are going away from the model that has brought so much success, for a 3rd choice striker on this squad. Carroll isn't the same player without long balls from Barton and Nolan. Is he going to be able to link up with Hatem? Cabaye? Doubtful. We have better footballers on our team now- resorting to hoofing it seems illogical. Now, Carroll would absolutely be a good squad player. But not at 80k, not even at 60k. Liverpool would never allow him to leave for less than 80% of the wages, and I'd imagine it's going to be 100%. He's not worth it. For that $, we've seen we can get 2-3 really good players in. That's what this squad needs- not one signing that isn't going to improve the team all that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-I-S-S-O-K-O 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 If those figures are true- we are going away from the model that has brought so much success, for a 3rd choice striker on this squad. Carroll isn't the same player without long balls from Barton and Nolan. Is he going to be able to link up with Hatem? Cabaye? Doubtful. We have better footballers on our team now- resorting to hoofing it seems illogical. Now, Carroll would absolutely be a good squad player. But not at 80k, not even at 60k. Liverpool would never allow him to leave for less than 80% of the wages, and I'd imagine it's going to be 100%. He's not worth it. For that $, we've seen we can get 2-3 really good players in. That's what this squad needs- not one signing that isn't going to improve the team all that much. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McFaul 35 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Hi, attention seeker here again. Just to let you know, hardly the most ground breaking piece of ITK anyone has ever known, but NUFC are a million miles from confident that a deal will be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nortoon 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I'm ok with unsettling him for a couple of years, and then when Liverpool get relegated we will get him for free a'la Ba tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoCo85 0 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 The main thing is big Andy will be back whether now or in 2 - 3 years time when his contract is expiring. There's only one place he wants to play football. That being the case, sod paying 17million and 80k wages. Liverpool obviously don't want him, and if Andy plays hard ball, I reckon 13million should do. I'd tell him him straight, doing him a favour bringing him back when we can get 3 squad players for what we are offering for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14584 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I thought Fergie rarely does any of the coaching nowadays? thats what I mean...no one else gets complete final say on almost everything (within a given budget) at their club apart from Fergie. The rest of them are their to coach the players and thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26292 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Where did you get those figures? I may have misrepresented the certainty of those figures but the idea is alluded to here http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18850955 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noelie 103 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I doubt that we would pay Carroll more than the highest paid player we already have but with the likes of Smith Guthrie, Best, and Lovenkrands off the payroll we could bargain with Carroll for what he would be willing to acccept if he really wanted to come back. As for transfer fee, that would have to be hard-ball negotiating by the powers that be, and how big a cringe-loss would Liverpool settle for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 thats what I mean...no one else gets complete final say on almost everything (within a given budget) at their club apart from Fergie. The rest of them are their to coach the players and thats it. Wenger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bias 3 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Can't see this happening, not sure I'd want it too either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Im not fussed one way or the other. Happy if he comes and not gutted if we miss out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 31 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 If he doesnt then fine, but we need a forward. If not AC then has to be someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleeToonFan 1 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I'm one of the tiny proportion of people that'd rather have Andy than Demba, and I don't even know why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CabayeAye Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Didn't Carroll only score something like 3 goals from Barton assists, and Nolan only scored a couple from Carroll knockdowns? To suggest that he wouldn't be the same without those two is utterly ridiculous. Cabaye and Ben Arfa are twice the players they were. And I don't think Ba is better than Carroll either. Yes, he's a good player, but I don't think he has anywhere near the long term potential of Carroll. Although I disliked the 442 last season, if Carroll came back I'd be happy to see it return, as Ba and Cisse were wasted as target men. Even a 41212 might be an idea: ------------------Krul Debuchy Saylor Colo Santon ----------------Tioté -----Cabaye--------Jonas ---------------Ben Arfa ------------Carroll Cissé Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JawD 31 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Papers reckons LFC want 20M. Reet, two down. Who is next on the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5904 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Local journos now saying a deal is unlikely to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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