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Anybody who knows anything about football, knows an improve and build policy will better a selling club in the longer term, which is the whole point here.

 

Do you read these posts back to yourself before you click "post"?

 

Our squad and in particular our first XI is stronger than it was at the start / end of last season, other than at left back.

 

So that means we've improved and built.

 

But we've also got £40m for our two top scorers last season.

 

We've demonstrated that we are a selling club. We've demonstrated that we've improved and built. The two are not mutually exclusive.

 

what you are saying is the same as saying that because Sam Allardyce got Bolton into europe, it makes him "good", "great" whatever you want to term it.

 

I'm saying what I've said for years, that some have said is "rubbish" for years. The club is a selling club, it has changed and is not a progressive club any more. The current good season the first in 5 years, is the same as Bolton had under Allardyce in that the policies of the club are such that they will not attempt to build on it, they will go backwards for the same reasons. Do YOU think the transfer window policy in January ie keep the best players and build with a quality signing or more [especially as there is 25m quid of the carroll money we haven't seen yet so there is no reason to sell anybody] will be continued ?

 

Do you read anything I say other than believe the deluded nonsense spouted by others, mostly non-matchgoers ? If so, please tell me how else a club can develop from finishing 6th and go higher, and establish themselves as a progressive club ?

 

The 2 forum clowns won't answer this, they have avoided it on numerous occasions now, which is the essence along with a few other points I've made for years now. It's nothing to do with "being right", its about deluded fools who can't see it because the team have had one good season, the first in 5 years.

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The difference between us and Bolton under Allardyce is that we are a profit making business as it stands, with a better scouting network in place than the last hurrah club Big Sam was bringing in and much bigger foundations to compete at a higher level, ie. 52 000 fans every week!

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How is it that we are able to have a good season 5 years into our establishment as a selling club? That is an incredible anomalous event.

 

Either that or someone is talking shit again.

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How is it that we are able to have a good season 5 years into our establishment as a selling club? That is an incredible anomalous event.

 

Either that or someone is talking shit again.

 

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LM, I am baffled, absolutely at a loss for words. Forget all of the history shite and crystal ball stuff for a moment. We've just beat Liverpool two nowt. We're comfortably in 6th. I dont see that changing so I think its pretty safe to say we will finish 6th. That would be our best finish since 2004. We might (though I am actually doubfull as I think Everton will beat Liverpool) get in to Europe through it. Everyone has had their say about what may or may not happen. we've all (yes, you as well) been right a bit and wrong a bit. But here we are.

 

How the fuck can you not be happy? you go to games, surely you must be enjoying it?

 

who said I haven't enjoyed it ?

 

It's very good, for a club with aspirations to simply survive in the top flight, make a profit by selling players if necessary, and promote a worldwide Sports Company as such. Excellent in fact.

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what you are saying is the same as saying that because Sam Allardyce got Bolton into europe, it makes him "good", "great" whatever you want to term it.

 

I'm saying what I've said for years, that some have said is "rubbish" for years. The club is a selling club, it has changed and is not a progressive club any more. The current good season the first in 5 years, is the same as Bolton had under Allardyce in that the policies of the club are such that they will not attempt to build on it, they will go backwards for the same reasons. Do YOU think the transfer window policy in January ie keep the best players and build with a quality signing or more [especially as there is 25m quid of the carroll money we haven't seen yet so there is no reason to sell anybody] will be continued ?

 

Do you read anything I say other than believe the deluded nonsense spouted by others, mostly non-matchgoers ? If so, please tell me how else a club can develop from finishing 6th and go higher, and establish themselves as a progressive club ?

 

The 2 forum clowns won't answer this, they have avoided it on numerous occasions now, which is the essence along with a few other points I've made for years now. It's nothing to do with "being right", its about deluded fools who can't see it because the team have had one good season, the first in 5 years.

 

I haven't mentioned Bolton at all. Bolton had a completely different strategy to us, and that was to build a team for a season, made up mainly of players loaned from abroad.

 

We, on the other hand, are buying players who are young or approaching their prime. This has the effect of ensuring that we can either take advantage of the best years of their careers and / or receive decent compensation if the player chooses to leave for a big pay day.

 

I am capable of forming my own opinions through reasoned logic. Whilst I'll read what other people have to say, I am my own man, and will form my own views. There are sound, reasoned views coming from match-goers as well as those who don't go the games, just as there are bizarre views from both camps. In all honesty it generally doesn't make that much difference whether they go to games or not.

 

In order to break into the top 4 quickly, we would need to spend at least £200m and consistently pay out ridiculous wages. In other words, we'd need to mortgage the stadium and Mike Ashley would need to write a quarter of his fortune over the next couple of years. Not going to happen.

 

I want a club which is self-sufficient and able to pass the UEFA Financial Fair Play rules with flying colours. If Ashley pumps in quarter of a billion, we will fail the tests, we won't be allowed to qualify for Europe and the best players will want to go elsewhere.

 

So our options are:

 

a) Ashley pumps in silly money so we can rise up the league, but we can't play in Europe as we're a substantially loss making business

 

B) Ashley oversees a strategy of going after the future stars, building a team which appreciates in value. We may receive huge offers for players, but use this cash to fund the purchase of more players who fit the buying policy.

 

c) Ashley refuses to sanction the sale of a player who wants to leave, as "we're not a selling club", resulting in unhappy player disrupting the team and negatively affecting team morale.

 

To me, option B is the only option. It's sensible and will ensure long term growth and long term stability. In the medium term, the best up and coming players will want to come to NUFC as we have a reputation for giving players a superb grounding and introduction to the Premiership. Over time, we'll improve our reputation to the point that we're seen as a better option than many of the clubs that we once sold to.

 

We need to continually improve, but sometimes it's about taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Throwing money at buying players doesn't mean we're going to suddenly become world beaters. We need to be signing players who WANT to play for us. We shouldn't be signing players who are only coming because we're offering more money than Spurs / Liverpool etc. We should be signing players who buy into our approach and strategy. This makes building the squad a more time consuming activity, but it gives us far less chance of buying duds like Guivarch, Luque, Bassedas, Maric, Owen, Boumsong etc.

 

I'm not totally sure what you want from the club. You bang on about wanting us to be progressive, but by the very defnition of the word we have progressed:

 

- more points

- more goals

- more clean sheets

- more full internationals

- bigger attendances

- higher league placing

- top players secured on long term deals, so they either stay or we received suitable compensation for them

- club is no longer loss making

- healthy cash balance to fund future developments

- no reliance on bank funding whatsoever

 

 

This makes us progressive.

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This front 6 of ours look quality and we're picking it up at the right time.

 

If we can keep the majority of our starting players and add to the back 4 I think we can challenge for top 6 again next season.

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what you are saying is the same as saying that because Sam Allardyce got Bolton into europe, it makes him "good", "great" whatever you want to term it.

 

I'm saying what I've said for years, that some have said is "rubbish" for years. The club is a selling club, it has changed and is not a progressive club any more. The current good season the first in 5 years, is the same as Bolton had under Allardyce in that the policies of the club are such that they will not attempt to build on it, they will go backwards for the same reasons. Do YOU think the transfer window policy in January ie keep the best players and build with a quality signing or more [especially as there is 25m quid of the carroll money we haven't seen yet so there is no reason to sell anybody] will be continued ?

 

Do you read anything I say other than believe the deluded nonsense spouted by others, mostly non-matchgoers ? If so, please tell me how else a club can develop from finishing 6th and go higher, and establish themselves as a progressive club ?

 

The 2 forum clowns won't answer this, they have avoided it on numerous occasions now, which is the essence along with a few other points I've made for years now. It's nothing to do with "being right", its about deluded fools who can't see it because the team have had one good season, the first in 5 years.

 

I haven't mentioned Bolton at all. Bolton had a completely different strategy to us, and that was to build a team for a season, made up mainly of players loaned from abroad.

 

We, on the other hand, are buying players who are young or approaching their prime. This has the effect of ensuring that we can either take advantage of the best years of their careers and / or receive decent compensation if the player chooses to leave for a big pay day.

 

I am capable of forming my own opinions through reasoned logic. Whilst I'll read what other people have to say, I am my own man, and will form my own views. There are sound, reasoned views coming from match-goers as well as those who don't go the games, just as there are bizarre views from both camps. In all honesty it generally doesn't make that much difference whether they go to games or not.

 

In order to break into the top 4 quickly, we would need to spend at least £200m and consistently pay out ridiculous wages. In other words, we'd need to mortgage the stadium and Mike Ashley would need to write a quarter of his fortune over the next couple of years. Not going to happen.

 

I want a club which is self-sufficient and able to pass the UEFA Financial Fair Play rules with flying colours. If Ashley pumps in quarter of a billion, we will fail the tests, we won't be allowed to qualify for Europe and the best players will want to go elsewhere.

 

So our options are:

 

a) Ashley pumps in silly money so we can rise up the league, but we can't play in Europe as we're a substantially loss making business

 

B) Ashley oversees a strategy of going after the future stars, building a team which appreciates in value. We may receive huge offers for players, but use this cash to fund the purchase of more players who fit the buying policy.

 

c) Ashley refuses to sanction the sale of a player who wants to leave, as "we're not a selling club", resulting in unhappy player disrupting the team and negatively affecting team morale.

 

To me, option B is the only option. It's sensible and will ensure long term growth and long term stability. In the medium term, the best up and coming players will want to come to NUFC as we have a reputation for giving players a superb grounding and introduction to the Premiership. Over time, we'll improve our reputation to the point that we're seen as a better option than many of the clubs that we once sold to.

 

We need to continually improve, but sometimes it's about taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Throwing money at buying players doesn't mean we're going to suddenly become world beaters. We need to be signing players who WANT to play for us. We shouldn't be signing players who are only coming because we're offering more money than Spurs / Liverpool etc. We should be signing players who buy into our approach and strategy. This makes building the squad a more time consuming activity, but it gives us far less chance of buying duds like Guivarch, Luque, Bassedas, Maric, Owen, Boumsong etc.

 

I'm not totally sure what you want from the club. You bang on about wanting us to be progressive, but by the very defnition of the word we have progressed:

 

- more points

- more goals

- more clean sheets

- more full internationals

- bigger attendances

- higher league placing

- top players secured on long term deals, so they either stay or we received suitable compensation for them

- club is no longer loss making

- healthy cash balance to fund future developments

- no reliance on bank funding whatsoever

 

 

This makes us progressive.

 

Well said.

 

Water off a lame duck's back, but well said all the same.

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a couple of teams will catch NUFC before now and the end of the season. Not sure who, Stoke maybe, but we haven't got a cat in hells chance of qualifying for europe through the league position, especially when another player is sold and the money is pocketed.

Will Alan Pardew be tempted to join another club, that backs their manager, soon ?

 

 

Bookmarked.

 

To be fair to Leazes Stoke catching us isn't out of the question yet, they're only 15 points behind us and there's 21 points still to play for.

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A buying policy built on us being a selling club? This is getting like Inception ffs.

 

Aye, plus we 'improved' (league position wise) at the start of the season when we only sold our three top players and didn't replaced them. The 'easy start' if everyone can recall it.

 

It's just an old man shouting slogans at the end of the day. It's easy to say just buy everyone and just keep everyone too. The reality is you can't do that, the reality is certain, select other clubs can offer more, the reality is timing (of incomings and departures) is a huge issue, the reality is availability of strategic target personnel is an issue when you're operating a non-casino transfer budget.

 

The net effect has been a huge progression this season. The money that has been available has been spent very well. The playing squad is stronger once again overall. Not spending more money (or spending more earlier) cost us our chances of FA Cup progression at a time when the squad was depleted. That's the reality. The whole spectrum has to be weighed up in minute detail now we don't have a casino budget anymore (and now that other bankrolled clubs do).

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what you are saying is the same as saying that because Sam Allardyce got Bolton into europe, it makes him "good", "great" whatever you want to term it.

 

I'm saying what I've said for years, that some have said is "rubbish" for years. The club is a selling club, it has changed and is not a progressive club any more. The current good season the first in 5 years, is the same as Bolton had under Allardyce in that the policies of the club are such that they will not attempt to build on it, they will go backwards for the same reasons. Do YOU think the transfer window policy in January ie keep the best players and build with a quality signing or more [especially as there is 25m quid of the carroll money we haven't seen yet so there is no reason to sell anybody] will be continued ?

 

Do you read anything I say other than believe the deluded nonsense spouted by others, mostly non-matchgoers ? If so, please tell me how else a club can develop from finishing 6th and go higher, and establish themselves as a progressive club ?

 

The 2 forum clowns won't answer this, they have avoided it on numerous occasions now, which is the essence along with a few other points I've made for years now. It's nothing to do with "being right", its about deluded fools who can't see it because the team have had one good season, the first in 5 years.

 

I haven't mentioned Bolton at all. Bolton had a completely different strategy to us, and that was to build a team for a season, made up mainly of players loaned from abroad.

 

We, on the other hand, are buying players who are young or approaching their prime. This has the effect of ensuring that we can either take advantage of the best years of their careers and / or receive decent compensation if the player chooses to leave for a big pay day.

 

I am capable of forming my own opinions through reasoned logic. Whilst I'll read what other people have to say, I am my own man, and will form my own views. There are sound, reasoned views coming from match-goers as well as those who don't go the games, just as there are bizarre views from both camps. In all honesty it generally doesn't make that much difference whether they go to games or not.

 

In order to break into the top 4 quickly, we would need to spend at least £200m and consistently pay out ridiculous wages. In other words, we'd need to mortgage the stadium and Mike Ashley would need to write a quarter of his fortune over the next couple of years. Not going to happen.

 

I want a club which is self-sufficient and able to pass the UEFA Financial Fair Play rules with flying colours. If Ashley pumps in quarter of a billion, we will fail the tests, we won't be allowed to qualify for Europe and the best players will want to go elsewhere.

 

So our options are:

 

a) Ashley pumps in silly money so we can rise up the league, but we can't play in Europe as we're a substantially loss making business

 

B) Ashley oversees a strategy of going after the future stars, building a team which appreciates in value. We may receive huge offers for players, but use this cash to fund the purchase of more players who fit the buying policy.

 

c) Ashley refuses to sanction the sale of a player who wants to leave, as "we're not a selling club", resulting in unhappy player disrupting the team and negatively affecting team morale.

 

To me, option B is the only option. It's sensible and will ensure long term growth and long term stability. In the medium term, the best up and coming players will want to come to NUFC as we have a reputation for giving players a superb grounding and introduction to the Premiership. Over time, we'll improve our reputation to the point that we're seen as a better option than many of the clubs that we once sold to.

 

We need to continually improve, but sometimes it's about taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Throwing money at buying players doesn't mean we're going to suddenly become world beaters. We need to be signing players who WANT to play for us. We shouldn't be signing players who are only coming because we're offering more money than Spurs / Liverpool etc. We should be signing players who buy into our approach and strategy. This makes building the squad a more time consuming activity, but it gives us far less chance of buying duds like Guivarch, Luque, Bassedas, Maric, Owen, Boumsong etc.

 

I'm not totally sure what you want from the club. You bang on about wanting us to be progressive, but by the very defnition of the word we have progressed:

 

- more points

- more goals

- more clean sheets

- more full internationals

- bigger attendances

- higher league placing

- top players secured on long term deals, so they either stay or we received suitable compensation for them

- club is no longer loss making

- healthy cash balance to fund future developments

- no reliance on bank funding whatsoever

 

 

This makes us progressive.

 

Excellent post and worthy of far more than the claptrap it will doubtless elicit.

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A buying policy built on us being a selling club? This is getting like Inception ffs.

 

Aye, plus we 'improved' (league position wise) at the start of the season when we only sold our three top players and didn't replaced them. The 'easy start' if everyone can recall it.

 

It's just an old man shouting slogans at the end of the day. It's easy to say just buy everyone and just keep everyone too. The reality is you can't do that, the reality is certain, select other clubs can offer more, the reality is timing (of incomings and departures) is a huge issue, the reality is availability of strategic target personnel is an issue when you're operating a non-casino transfer budget.

 

The net effect has been a huge progression this season. The money that has been available has been spent very well. The playing squad is stronger once again overall. Not spending more money (or spending more earlier) cost us our chances of FA Cup progression at a time when the squad was depleted. That's the reality. The whole spectrum has to be weighed up in minute detail now we don't have a casino budget anymore (and now that other bankrolled clubs do).

 

Aye, you'd have be a one eyed buffoon to not see we are now in the best shape on and off the pitch we have been for fucking years, whether it brings a trophy is another matter but we didn't win one 'the old way' so it's a moot point. I still expect Ashley to stick it to us, but that's only natural given his bungling adolescence as a football club owner. Maybe he has matured, and maybe some fans have along the way.

 

You utter utter pathetic shambling CHUM.

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what you are saying is the same as saying that because Sam Allardyce got Bolton into europe, it makes him "good", "great" whatever you want to term it.

 

I'm saying what I've said for years, that some have said is "rubbish" for years. The club is a selling club, it has changed and is not a progressive club any more. The current good season the first in 5 years, is the same as Bolton had under Allardyce in that the policies of the club are such that they will not attempt to build on it, they will go backwards for the same reasons. Do YOU think the transfer window policy in January ie keep the best players and build with a quality signing or more [especially as there is 25m quid of the carroll money we haven't seen yet so there is no reason to sell anybody] will be continued ?

 

Do you read anything I say other than believe the deluded nonsense spouted by others, mostly non-matchgoers ? If so, please tell me how else a club can develop from finishing 6th and go higher, and establish themselves as a progressive club ?

 

The 2 forum clowns won't answer this, they have avoided it on numerous occasions now, which is the essence along with a few other points I've made for years now. It's nothing to do with "being right", its about deluded fools who can't see it because the team have had one good season, the first in 5 years.

 

I haven't mentioned Bolton at all. Bolton had a completely different strategy to us, and that was to build a team for a season, made up mainly of players loaned from abroad.

 

We, on the other hand, are buying players who are young or approaching their prime. This has the effect of ensuring that we can either take advantage of the best years of their careers and / or receive decent compensation if the player chooses to leave for a big pay day.

 

I am capable of forming my own opinions through reasoned logic. Whilst I'll read what other people have to say, I am my own man, and will form my own views. There are sound, reasoned views coming from match-goers as well as those who don't go the games, just as there are bizarre views from both camps. In all honesty it generally doesn't make that much difference whether they go to games or not.

 

In order to break into the top 4 quickly, we would need to spend at least £200m and consistently pay out ridiculous wages. In other words, we'd need to mortgage the stadium and Mike Ashley would need to write a quarter of his fortune over the next couple of years. Not going to happen.

 

I want a club which is self-sufficient and able to pass the UEFA Financial Fair Play rules with flying colours. If Ashley pumps in quarter of a billion, we will fail the tests, we won't be allowed to qualify for Europe and the best players will want to go elsewhere.

 

So our options are:

 

a) Ashley pumps in silly money so we can rise up the league, but we can't play in Europe as we're a substantially loss making business

 

B) Ashley oversees a strategy of going after the future stars, building a team which appreciates in value. We may receive huge offers for players, but use this cash to fund the purchase of more players who fit the buying policy.

 

c) Ashley refuses to sanction the sale of a player who wants to leave, as "we're not a selling club", resulting in unhappy player disrupting the team and negatively affecting team morale.

 

To me, option B is the only option. It's sensible and will ensure long term growth and long term stability. In the medium term, the best up and coming players will want to come to NUFC as we have a reputation for giving players a superb grounding and introduction to the Premiership. Over time, we'll improve our reputation to the point that we're seen as a better option than many of the clubs that we once sold to.

 

We need to continually improve, but sometimes it's about taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture. Throwing money at buying players doesn't mean we're going to suddenly become world beaters. We need to be signing players who WANT to play for us. We shouldn't be signing players who are only coming because we're offering more money than Spurs / Liverpool etc. We should be signing players who buy into our approach and strategy. This makes building the squad a more time consuming activity, but it gives us far less chance of buying duds like Guivarch, Luque, Bassedas, Maric, Owen, Boumsong etc.

 

I'm not totally sure what you want from the club. You bang on about wanting us to be progressive, but by the very defnition of the word we have progressed:

 

- more points

- more goals

- more clean sheets

- more full internationals

- bigger attendances

- higher league placing

- top players secured on long term deals, so they either stay or we received suitable compensation for them

- club is no longer loss making

- healthy cash balance to fund future developments

- no reliance on bank funding whatsoever

 

 

This makes us progressive.

 

Excellent post and worthy of far more than the claptrap it will doubtless elicit.

 

Agree, excellent post, although he'll probably ignore it (he may now claptrap it just to prove me wrong of course)

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A buying policy built on us being a selling club? This is getting like Inception ffs.

 

Aye, plus we 'improved' (league position wise) at the start of the season when we only sold our three top players and didn't replaced them. The 'easy start' if everyone can recall it.

 

It's just an old man shouting slogans at the end of the day. It's easy to say just buy everyone and just keep everyone too. The reality is you can't do that, the reality is certain, select other clubs can offer more, the reality is timing (of incomings and departures) is a huge issue, the reality is availability of strategic target personnel is an issue when you're operating a non-casino transfer budget.

 

The net effect has been a huge progression this season. The money that has been available has been spent very well. The playing squad is stronger once again overall. Not spending more money (or spending more earlier) cost us our chances of FA Cup progression at a time when the squad was depleted. That's the reality. The whole spectrum has to be weighed up in minute detail now we don't have a casino budget anymore (and now that other bankrolled clubs do).

 

Aye, you'd have be a one eyed buffoon to not see we are now in the best shape on and off the pitch we have been for fucking years, whether it brings a trophy is another matter but we didn't win one 'the old way' so it's a moot point. I still expect Ashley to stick it to us, but that's only natural given his bungling adolescence as a football club owner. Maybe he has matured, and maybe some fans have along the way.

 

You utter utter pathetic shambling CHUM.

 

If by "matured" you mean learned, I would agree as I really do think he's learned about "the business of the game", he'll likely continue to piss off the fans here and there as I believe he will undoubtedly do it "his way" and screw everyone else's opinion.

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If by "matured" you mean learned, I would agree as I really do think he's learned about "the business of the game", he'll likely continue to piss off the fans here and there as I believe he will undoubtedly do it "his way" and screw everyone else's opinion.

 

Yes that's what I meant. He is always going to do things his way and why shouldn't he given his achievement? Considering his ego, empire and success it is at least questionable to suggest he would not want to succeed as a football club owner.

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If by "matured" you mean learned, I would agree as I really do think he's learned about "the business of the game", he'll likely continue to piss off the fans here and there as I believe he will undoubtedly do it "his way" and screw everyone else's opinion.

 

Yes that's what I meant. He is always going to do things his way and why shouldn't he given his achievement? Considering his ego, empire and success it's laughable to suggest he would not want to succeed as a football club owner.

 

I've been saying that for a while, buggers like him don't like be be "average" at anything, ever.

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