guttierrors 0 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 brown ale methinks place in the team next week, cisse santon or simpson out? doubtful for arsenal away unless 5 in midfield though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin S. Assilleekunt 1 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 (edited) He was shit and he's still shit. It's all shit. - HF Not sure what that's for, have I been unfair on him before? Yes, though only slightly. And your intentions were probably fair. Bullying is not acceptable and terrible for the victims, and it was nice of you to boldly stick up for the wobbly-headed shit footballer that is Obertan, in the midst of widespread vitriol spewed in his direction. Edited March 4, 2012 by Kevin S. Assilleekunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Benny Boy looked better today and should be given a go. Jonas his usual crap self. His service in for the the Dembas is pathetic. Either switch to the right as Ant says or drop him. Game after game the wings are killing us. It's so fucking depressing watching him stifle attack after attack. This is a fact btw so I'm not even going to debate the point with any Jonas fan boys. We need people on the wings who can do what Ben Arfa did today or someone who can whip a ball in fast without any fannying about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19807 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 a lot of our best attacking moves came through jonas down the left flank. he's probably the best ball carrier in the side, which goes some way to making up for his inconsistent final balls in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guttierrors 0 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 is there a replacement except for shane ferguson? raylor didnt really work when he pushed on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Benny Boy looked better today and should be given a go. Jonas his usual crap self. His service in for the the Dembas is pathetic. Either switch to the right as Ant says or drop him. Game after game the wings are killing us. It's so fucking depressing watching him stifle attack after attack. This is a fact btw so I'm not even going to debate the point with any Jonas fan boys. We need people on the wings who can do what Ben Arfa did today or someone who can whip a ball in fast without any fannying about. It's tailor made for Shane to step in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 is there a replacement except for shane ferguson? raylor didnt really work when he pushed on Aye, go with Ants plan of HBA on the left. Hopefully Marveaux will add some quality when he returns as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12764 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Jonas was excellent. I honestly can't believe you watched that second half and thought he was shit. What an outlet the man is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13836 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 "Contrary Tree" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 12764 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Tom, I didn't run into you and rub your face/buy you a pint I'll wank in total silence tonight in disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13836 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I'm off the drink for lent But maybe next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Jonas was excellent. I honestly can't believe you watched that second half and thought he was shit. What an outlet the man is If he was excellent he would be whipping great balls in for the Dembas to attack. He doesnt. He does the same every game. He receives the ball and then either delivers a weak as piss cut out cross or holds it out on the wing until a few defenders arrive and relieve him of possession. He may be a decent "outlet" in one or two games when we are under the cosh but 90% of the time his job should be to creat chances for the attackers. He simply cant do this with any consistency. His display was same old same old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 He was shit and he's still shit. It's all shit. - HF Not sure what that's for, have I been unfair on him before? Yes, though only slightly. And your intentions were probably fair. Bullying is not acceptable and terrible for the victims, and it was nice of you to boldly stick up for the wobbly-headed shit footballer that is Obertan, in the midst of widespread vitriol spewed in his direction. I'd do the same for and disabled individual getting abused . I only stood up for Obertan because it's a disgrace that any Newcastle player gets stick off Newcastle fans inside the stadium. Ben Arfa has never had that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 6844 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Jonas was excellent. I honestly can't believe you watched that second half and thought he was shit. What an outlet the man is He's much more comfortable with Raylor behind him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Jonas was excellent. I honestly can't believe you watched that second half and thought he was shit. What an outlet the man is If he was excellent he would be whipping great balls in for the Dembas to attack. He doesnt. He does the same every game. He receives the ball and then either delivers a weak as piss cut out cross or holds it out on the wing until a few defenders arrive and relieve him of possession. He may be a decent "outlet" in one or two games when we are under the cosh but 90% of the time his job should be to creat chances for the attackers. He simply cant do this with any consistency. His display was same old same old. Passing accuracy best of anyone who played the 90. 92% Ben Arfa 89% Guti 88% Shola 87% Colo 86% Cabaye More touches than any attacking player other than Cabaye... 101 Tiote 91 RTaylor 82 Cabaye 61 Guti 56 Williamson More crosses than anyone other than the corner taker 24 RTaylor (19 corners) 10 Guti 5 Tiote 5 Cabaye 2 Ben Arfa He was dispossessed 3 times in the game. http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/506794/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2011-2012-Newcastle-Sunderland It's always been a problem that his crosses into the box aren't the best, that's not changed in 4 years. Not one of those 10 crosses are what the OPTA folk deem "accurate". But he's put a hell of a shift in yesterday, so still criticising him for that weak side of his game irrespective of overall performance is harsh. Edited March 5, 2012 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Tell all of those stats to the Dembas. If they make you feel like we have a very creative left winger then good for you. I just see the same old lack of chances being created game after game. We all know he's a good lad and works his nuts off but people really need to stop pretending he's some wing wizard. For a team that has the spine that we have, quality of midfield and two quality strikers it is criminal that we are playing the way we are. With better wing play we would be slaughtering the likes of Wolves and Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Tell all of those stats to the Dembas. If they make you feel like we have a very creative left winger then good for you. I just see the same old lack of chances being created game after game. We all know he's a good lad and works his nuts off but people really need to stop pretending he's some wing wizard. For a team that has the spine that we have, quality of midfield and two quality strikers it is criminal that we are playing the way we are. With better wing play we would be slaughtering the likes of Wolves and Sunderland. You can't blame the wingers for our display against Wolves. Our tactics didn't involve going down the flanks, it was just hit it long to Ba and Cisse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Tell all of those stats to the Dembas. If they make you feel like we have a very creative left winger then good for you. I just see the same old lack of chances being created game after game. We all know he's a good lad and works his nuts off but people really need to stop pretending he's some wing wizard. For a team that has the spine that we have, quality of midfield and two quality strikers it is criminal that we are playing the way we are. With better wing play we would be slaughtering the likes of Wolves and Sunderland. Better wing play from who though? Obertan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglez 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Tell all of those stats to the Dembas. If they make you feel like we have a very creative left winger then good for you. I just see the same old lack of chances being created game after game. We all know he's a good lad and works his nuts off but people really need to stop pretending he's some wing wizard. For a team that has the spine that we have, quality of midfield and two quality strikers it is criminal that we are playing the way we are. With better wing play we would be slaughtering the likes of Wolves and Sunderland. Better wing play from who though? Obertan? Ferguson, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2188 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Tell all of those stats to the Dembas. If they make you feel like we have a very creative left winger then good for you. I just see the same old lack of chances being created game after game. We all know he's a good lad and works his nuts off but people really need to stop pretending he's some wing wizard. For a team that has the spine that we have, quality of midfield and two quality strikers it is criminal that we are playing the way we are. With better wing play we would be slaughtering the likes of Wolves and Sunderland. Better wing play from who though? Obertan? Ferguson, obviously. Obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Tell all of those stats to the Dembas. If they make you feel like we have a very creative left winger then good for you. I just see the same old lack of chances being created game after game. We all know he's a good lad and works his nuts off but people really need to stop pretending he's some wing wizard. For a team that has the spine that we have, quality of midfield and two quality strikers it is criminal that we are playing the way we are. With better wing play we would be slaughtering the likes of Wolves and Sunderland. Shola won the pen from a cross from the right. Shola scored his goal from a cross from the left. Cisse's goal against wolves came from a cross from the right. Gutierez scored against Wolves himself cutting in from the left. Guthrie crossed from the left for Ba's against Villa. Guti crossed for Cisse's thunderbolt against Villa, It seems to me that everything that does come off is from the wings. Edited March 5, 2012 by Happy Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guttierrors 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 apart from turning the second half into an actual contest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I thought our left wing play yesterday was laboured and predictable, time and again the ball went left and it was the same move. It was difficult for Jonas as they had 4 in front of goal and a bank of 4 in front of that so finding space was tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Back on topic, has anyone got any video of the brilliant bit of jiggery pokery where Ben Arfa left em for dead just inside the box? I may have built it up in my head, but I'm pretty sure he went into the matrix, activated bullet time and kicked the ball with both feet at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Back on topic, has anyone got any video of the brilliant bit of jiggery pokery where Ben Arfa left em for dead just inside the box? I may have built it up in my head, but I'm pretty sure he went into the matrix, activated bullet time and kicked the ball with both feet at the same time I would expect that somebody will make a compilation of his cameo yesterday. As there's been a few kicking around since he played for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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