Guest alex Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Once he got the job, I think you had to give him time. Given the current situation, people may think he should have gone 12 months ago (as HTL suggested) but personally I think that would have put us in an even worse position. I would have waited until the summer. Not that I would have appointed him in the first place. 73924[/snapback] I don't agree, I think if you back him. you do that because you think he will be successful Why back a lame duck 73930[/snapback] For the reason Shearergol states above, i.e. Shepherd was never going to sack him after a few months, unfortunately. I can also see both sides to the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 Surely if you back the manager/give him time, you do so in the belief that he will be successful ? 73922[/snapback] I'd say it was more in the "hope" that he'd be successful. Souness was the wrong man to bring in at the time, but there was no way FS would sack him within 6 months, so we had no other choice than to support him (IMO). I see both sides of this argument, but unfortunately FS doesn't. 73928[/snapback] I reckon his agenda and lies concerning Bellamy, and putting his own agenda before the good of the club was reason to sack him...these signs were all there, which is what myself and Renton said at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Once he got the job, I think you had to give him time. Given the current situation, people may think he should have gone 12 months ago (as HTL suggested) but personally I think that would have put us in an even worse position. I would have waited until the summer. Not that I would have appointed him in the first place. 73924[/snapback] I don't agree, I think if you back him. you do that because you think he will be successful Why back a lame duck 73930[/snapback] If someone put money on a horse for you, would you hope it wins, regardless of if you think it will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 133 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Given that Shepherd has given a top 6 finish as a target, how many times has Souness as a Premiership manager guided a team to a top 6 finish ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Gemmill, do you want a new badge now by the way? 73920[/snapback] Give him a "I was wrong" one. 73932[/snapback] Should I do one saying " I was right" for Renton and Leazes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3594 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 NJS and Ally were the only ones IIRC. Though the latter should have given Gemmill a hint that it was utter nonsense to give him time... 73919[/snapback] I remember starting a thread on the Toontastic of the time which stated that it seemed like I was the only one "happy". Of the candidates at the time I stand by that. That doesn't mean I still think he's the man for the job or think that he's done well overall but the alternatives still don't appeal. 73926[/snapback] I wasnt as unhappy as everybody else, and failng bringing back Keegan I would still wait til the summer to get rid, and try and get a decent mnager after the World Cup when there will be a bit of managerial merry-go-round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17696 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Surely if you back the manager/give him time, you do so in the belief that he will be successful ? 73922[/snapback] I thought he'd done well at Blackburn given the club and thought that given a better squad and more money he'd succeed here. I have no problem saying that or saying now that I think bad luck notwithstanding he's failed. 73934[/snapback] But look where Blackburn were when he was appointed - one of the few clubs lower than us after having nearly been relegated the year before! It was the maddest appointment ever imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Souness critics must east humble pie Has anyone got Hansen's e-mail address? I hope he enjoys his pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Once he got the job, I think you had to give him time. Given the current situation, people may think he should have gone 12 months ago (as HTL suggested) but personally I think that would have put us in an even worse position. I would have waited until the summer. Not that I would have appointed him in the first place. 73924[/snapback] I don't agree, I think if you back him. you do that because you think he will be successful Why back a lame duck 73930[/snapback] What was the alternative once FS hired him? Newcastle was becoming a well practiced circus act and a mass protest with or wothout results on the first day would have made things look worse. I felt, literally, sick when I saw the news, but I don't know what could have been done. Just seen Jewell mentioned in the Times as a possible replacement, anyone know if Dowie would consider a move? I'd be happy with either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Given that Shepherd has given a top 6 finish as a target, how many times has Souness as a Premiership manager guided a team to a top 6 finish ?? 73938[/snapback] Oooh, can of worms. Didn't you want a certain George Burley as our next manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17696 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Gemmill, do you want a new badge now by the way? 73920[/snapback] Give him a "I was wrong" one. 73932[/snapback] Should I do one saying " I was right" for Renton and Leazes? 73939[/snapback] Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Does anyone want to PM Obi over on N-O and ask him to lend his weight to the pro-Souness debate 73929[/snapback] That gasuso over on Newcastle-Online is hilarious. I had a look at the Hitzfeld thread and the stuff he comes out with is amazing. 73933[/snapback] An alarm's just gone off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8870 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Gemmill, do you want a new badge now by the way? 73920[/snapback] Give him a "I was wrong" one. 73932[/snapback] Should I do one saying " I was right" for Renton and Leazes? 73939[/snapback] Yes please! 73945[/snapback] He can also create a 'Gemmill 0 - Renton 1' one both of you can share... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 3969 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Surely if you back the manager/give him time, you do so in the belief that he will be successful ? 73922[/snapback] I thought he'd done well at Blackburn given the club and thought that given a better squad and more money he'd succeed here. I have no problem saying that or saying now that I think bad luck notwithstanding he's failed. 73934[/snapback] But look where Blackburn were when he was appointed - one of the few clubs lower than us after having nearly been relegated the year before! It was the maddest appointment ever imo. 73941[/snapback] The "favourite" now - Allarydyce has flirted with relegation off and on at Bolton - all of the shortlist have had up/down years but I always try and look at the best in people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I'm not exactly delighted at the prospect of Allardyce, he'd be an improvement though obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I'm not exactly delighted at the prospect of Allardyce, he'd be an improvement though obviously. 73950[/snapback] I think Peasepud summed it up perfectly earlier. He's better than Souness, but no doubt people will be wanting rid of him within 2 years. Out of interest, can we put a list of all possible managers up so that Renton and Leazes can tell us which one will win us something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 Surely if you back the manager/give him time, you do so in the belief that he will be successful ? 73922[/snapback] I thought he'd done well at Blackburn given the club and thought that given a better squad and more money he'd succeed here. I have no problem saying that or saying now that I think bad luck notwithstanding he's failed. 73934[/snapback] But look where Blackburn were when he was appointed - one of the few clubs lower than us after having nearly been relegated the year before! It was the maddest appointment ever imo. 73941[/snapback] The "favourite" now - Allarydyce has flirted with relegation off and on at Bolton - all of the shortlist have had up/down years but I always try and look at the best in people. 73949[/snapback] hmm stabilised the club, with no money....signed some quality experienced players, got them playing, improved the club and the team season by season..... We don't know if he is potential TOP manager or not, but he's light years more open minded, flexible and intelligent than Souness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I'm not exactly delighted at the prospect of Allardyce, he'd be an improvement though obviously. 73950[/snapback] I think Peasepud summed it up perfectly earlier. He's better than Souness, but no doubt people will be wanting rid of him within 2 years. Out of interest, can we put a list of all possible managers up so that Renton and Leazes can tell us which one will win us something? 73951[/snapback] Or at least they could let us know how long they should get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Author Share Posted January 4, 2006 (edited) I'm not exactly delighted at the prospect of Allardyce, he'd be an improvement though obviously. 73950[/snapback] I think Peasepud summed it up perfectly earlier. He's better than Souness, but no doubt people will be wanting rid of him within 2 years. Out of interest, can we put a list of all possible managers up so that Renton and Leazes can tell us which one will win us something? 73951[/snapback] As Keegan and Bobby Robson didn't [not to mention Dalglish and Gullit] didn't, there are NO guarantees - and that includes Hitzfeld and Hiddink. One thing is for certain, all these are realistic candidates, who can put the club into europe and in contention for the prizes, and whoever it is will be backed to the hilt by Shepherd and the board Edited January 4, 2006 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Does anyone want to PM Obi over on N-O and ask him to lend his weight to the pro-Souness debate 73929[/snapback] That gasuso over on Newcastle-Online is hilarious. I had a look at the Hitzfeld thread and the stuff he comes out with is amazing. 73933[/snapback] An alarm's just gone off! 73947[/snapback] N'Zogbia should be playing for France, I shit you not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocChip 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 I really think it will be Shearer and the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Anal Oliver was just on SSN. Souness and Shepherd are having a meeting sometime this week so Shepherd can 'get the answers to some questions'. He said that Shepherd wouldn't give the job to someone who turned it down before (Allardyce) and the only reason for Souness being here as long as he has been is due to a lack of suitable candidates (NOT Hitzfeld or Le Guen, then) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Press conference, 3.30pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads 0 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 What really matters isn't that events have proven Gem to be wrong, it's that it looks like it's taken FS too long to see what a handful of people on here could see 12 months ago. Souness has been allowed to fcuk the club up and it'll take any manager some time now to put things right, imo. I don't care whether Gem ever understands this, I just hope FS does, hopefully today. 73861[/snapback] For the umpteenth time: I said that Souness needed time to prove himself one way or the other. He's used that time to prove that he isn't good enough. Which doesn't make me wrong because he still needed that time to prove his inadequacy in his role as manager of Newcastle United (not Liverpool, Blackburn, or any other club he may have been at in the past). It was simply the true, 100% correct statement that "A new manager needs time to prove himself" that makes me RIGHT and not WRONG. FACTARAMA. 73891[/snapback] I know what you said. How do you quantify time? I suspect you 'go by the book' in most things you do, Gemmill. Again, sorry if I'm wrong, but sometimes 'the book' has to be torn up because circumstances dictate it should not be followed. In the case of Souness, he did enough in the first couple of months to show that the idea a manager needs a couple of years should be ignored. It's sad that it appears you still don't recognise where you went wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted January 4, 2006 Share Posted January 4, 2006 Press conference, 3.30pm 73960[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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