wolfy 12 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Oh and I believe in elements yes but I don;t buy into Uranium/Plutonium so called metals giving out enormous energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38588 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 No but i once came in a hoover. I was an experimental 13 year old. Thats got nothing to do with science though, did you read Popper yet? Was it the stair cleaning hose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17633 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Oh and I believe in elements yes but I don;t buy into Uranium/Plutonium so called metals giving out enormous energy. What are elements if not types of atom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 8951 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Was it the stair cleaning hose? This is Chez we're talking about. He needs this badboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 What are elements if not types of atom? Why do they have to be some kind of atom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17633 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Why do they have to be some kind of atom? What is matter if it is not made up of different kinds of atoms? The periodic explains reality perfectly you see, but you don't believe in atoms, so don't believe in elements (which are just types of atom). So, what do you think makes up matter? Is it infinitely divisible, for instance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 13990 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Why do they have to be some kind of atom? Why do they have to be elements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 What is matter if it is not made up of different kinds of atoms? The periodic explains reality perfectly you see, but you don't believe in atoms, so don't believe in elements (which are just types of atom). So, what do you think makes up matter? Is it infinitely divisible, for instance? Renton: We have elements made up from this Earth and extract those elements like Gold, Silver,lead e.t.c. Atoms are just something named that nobody can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Why do they have to be elements? They don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17633 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) Oh, so you don't know, for instance what makes gold different from silver? I know. Edited August 16, 2012 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Oh, so you don't know. I don't know what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17633 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I don't know what? See edited post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 See edited post. I seen it. What's your point here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17633 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) That you don't understand the nature of matter, that's all. Most people don't actually so fair enough, seems strange you reject something you know nothing about though. Edited August 16, 2012 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38588 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 This is Chez we're talking about. He needs this badboy Oh , silly me , forgot. Anaconda. Whereas we of the average garter snake are happy with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 That you don't understand the nature of matter, that's all. Most people don't actually so fair enough, seems strange you reject something you know nothing about though. I'm not rejecting matter. I'm rejecting the ability of a human being to split something that cannot be seen as in what we are told is an atom that some loopy 400bc thinker, thought up yet hadn't a clue why. It supposedly took another 1200 years before another human found his 400bc filofax and said," wow, this geezer's thought up an atom, I' think I'll use this thought and see if I can do owt with it.. I can't see it under a microscope, so I'll just bang a few of these neutrons about and see if I can split the pesky little bastard." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17633 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 If you don't believe in atoms, you don't believe in chemistry, which is novel. Also now tens more millions 'in on it' including me as a pharmacologist. Talking of which, do you believe in the efficacy of drugs? If so, how do they work if molecules don't exist (they can't if atoms don't)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 If you don't believe in atoms, you don't believe in chemistry, which is novel. Also now tens more millions 'in on it' including me as a pharmacologist. Talking of which, do you believe in the efficacy of drugs? If so, how do they work if molecules don't exist (they can't if atoms don't)? So being a Pharmacologist means you study atoms does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38588 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 It has to be said Wolfy, fair play for effort and that, but you really are a prize, grade A mong. Your entire world view can be summed up by " If I can't see it, it doesnt exist". If this is true, how do you explain; Music- you can't see it, but it's there Air- you can't see it, without it, you'd die. Me- you've never met me, but I exist. CT- the proud and happy father of 4 four kids? He hasn't seen his penis in 20 years. Farts- you fart, it stinks, can't see it. Farts are a lie? Help me out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 It has to be said Wolfy, fair play for effort and that, but you really are a prize, grade A mong. Your entire world view can be summed up by " If I can't see it, it doesnt exist". If this is true, how do you explain; Music- you can't see it, but it's there.................. I can hear it. Air- you can't see it, without it, you'd die. I can breathe it and it ruins our lasses hair do when it's agitated. Me- you've never met me, but I exist................ You exist to me as Monkeys fist on a Newcastle forum. You are either human or programmed robot. I'll opt for human. CT- the proud and happy father of 4 four kids? He hasn't seen his penis in 20 years...................... Like me. he can use a mirror to identify that he still has one. Farts- you fart, it stinks, can't see it. Farts are a lie?.................I can smell farts and can hear them most times depending on how a the bum hole is puckered up. Help me out here. Happy to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17633 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 So being a Pharmacologist means you study atoms does it? Molecules which are made of atoms, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17633 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 CT- the proud and happy father of 4 four kids? He hasn't seen his penis in 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Molecules which are made of atoms, yes. Ok , so take a few pictures of these atoms for me....not molecules mind, don't try and trick me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 38588 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 You say you can hear music so it exists. If a band are playing a song, and you are in the sane room, you hear it- therefore the music exists. If you leave the room, and can no longer hear it, but the band are still playing, does their music stil exist? And what about silent but deadlys ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17633 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Ok , so take a few pictures of these atoms for me....not molecules mind, don't try and trick me. See MF's post above, you don't have to see things to know they're real. Frankly I can't be arsed to explain 10 years training to you, but I am interested to know how you think drugs work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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