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Extremely tired legs killed us at the end, they can be proud of our last 2 performances (aside from that last 20 minutes) like Happy Face mentioned earlier putting 6 past Man Utd and Arsenal away from home in 2 games 3 days apart is a plus. The defensive side is very worrying but this is something Pardew has always struggled with at us, pace. Walcott decimates us nigh on everytime he's played us under Pardew as our tactics really struggle with pace, I cringed when I saw Walcott playing up front as the little prick is too quick. Santon was dreadful defensively today, Tiote looked weak and Colo again struggled. Perch isn't a CB tbh he does ok in midfield with a back 4 behind him the same as Ryan Taylor does okay on the right side of midfield, neither are good enough to be in the last line.

Ba is fantastic, I'll be gutted if we lose the bloke as his attitude on the field and goal scoring ability is immense. Marveaux was also superb, he looks so assured on the ball, Bigi looked much calmer and assured than Tiote and Obertan put in a decent shift. There are positives from this, I said to a lad that the 7-3 scoreline is embarrassing and tbh doesn't reflect our performance overall.

 

Also will add I'm glad we're finally rid of that LBT prick, the blokes a total heed the ball.

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I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but Tim Vickery said he had heard Colo wants to move back to Argentina the other night (think Vickery said he had heard this from Colo's dad). He hasn't seemed at all like himself lately.

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I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but Tim Vickery said he had heard Colo wants to move back to Argentina the other night (think Vickery said he had heard this from Colo's dad). He hasn't seemed at all like himself lately.

Would be a disaster if he left, as poor as he's been recently he's still the best defender we have by a mile. It would explain his recent poor run like you say mind.

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If Colo was to go we'd be completely stuffed, as it is James Perch as a starting centre back is testament to our current dire position. I'd father Ramage. The worst part is we were all aware of it, but the club failed to act during the window.

 

This has been exacerbated by Tiote's self conversion to an attacking midfielder, leaving our extremely soft underbelly exposed. It was a complete shambles at the end, not sure whether it was fitness, effort, attitude or a combination that lead to it. Perhaps it was just a lack of cohesion and team work.

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Watching our defense is like remembering that time in high school when I walked into a party, saw a group of like five or so incredibly attractive women in the middle of the room, and then, trying to look like a somewhat interesting person, forgot to use my eyeballs to scan my surroundings while I walked. I tripped over a chair and pulled down a lamp, which broke. I can still hear them laughing at me.

 

We need some legitimate defenders like yesterday. It's almost more frustrating somehow to see us threaten offensively with a fair bit of consistency while knowing that, short of netting five, we're quite possibly looking at 1 point at best.

 

I suppose I'd rather see us fighting for the win before failing to seize it, rather than getting blanked and blown out from the opening kick, I suppose. (Yeah, I know...that's reaching.)

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Take away the last 20 mins last night, did we play as well as we did v manu?...

 

Add in the last 20 mins, why did no other away team in the prem yesterday seemingly run out of gas and give up?..especially when you had a decent away point at 17 mins left on the clock..Arsenal didn't play boxing day, but all the rest bar West Ham did. Squad size?...or did playing v two of the most potent forward lines in Europe in 3 days eventually just take its toll? Both?

 

What the fuck has happened to Tiote? Last seasons 100% pass completion stats look like a sick joke now.

 

Santon is a decent footballer but a poor defender.

 

An Everton win on the 2nd is going to see the knives out, a cup exit to Brighton will see a few of them being thrown in the direction of Pardew, rightly or wrongly. He'll do well to survive January under those circumstances at most large-ish clubs, but second guessing how Ashley would react to things getting worse is pointless. Lack of an obvious decent other option will keep Pardew safe...for the moment.

 

 

Who the fuck is going to want join us next month in this state?....still don't think we'll go down but this season is turning out to be a huge missed oppurtunity, and could get worse before it gets better...but I think it will in the long run.

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I don't know if anyone has mentioned it but Tim Vickery said he had heard Colo wants to move back to Argentina the other night (think Vickery said he had heard this from Colo's dad). He hasn't seemed at all like himself lately.

 

Neither has Tiote, or Jonas, or Cisse.

 

Tiote is the most alarming one for me. Such a massive decline in his game overall. He's been a liability this season with his silly unnecessary fouls and horrible passing that has cost us on more than one occasion.

 

Other results didnt really go our way either yesterday. There are going to be a lot of bruised egos and tired legs on Wednesday. Wouldnt be surprised at all if we lose again.The key is going to be games after that in January all of which are very much winnable and with a couple of decent buys things could be on the up again. Problem of course is we cant be sure despite all the screw ups this season and the obvious strengthening needed in some positions are top brass will be moved enough to give a shite.

 

Wish people would stop saying we aren't going to get relegated because it makes all of this seem so eerily similar to 2008 :unsure2:

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It was always going to be tough yesterday. I thought in the first half we played great and looked the better side. Lets not forget its was a hard fought game on Boxing Day while Arsenal were resting.

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It was always going to be tough yesterday. I thought in the first half we played great and looked the better side. Lets not forget its was a hard fought game on Boxing Day while Arsenal were resting.

 

That's true but there's more to it than this. When the season never took off after a few games I thought we were just herxing. Now it looks more like discontent, greed and home sickness in the dressing room. Maybe threats. I hope there is big crowd for Everton.

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Take away the last 20 mins last night, did we play as well as we did v manu?...

 

Add in the last 20 mins, why did no other away team in the prem yesterday seemingly run out of gas and give up?..especially when you had a decent away point at 17 mins left on the clock..Arsenal didn't play boxing day, but all the rest bar West Ham did. Squad size?...or did playing v two of the most potent forward lines in Europe in 3 days eventually just take its toll? Both?

 

What the fuck has happened to Tiote? Last seasons 100% pass completion stats look like a sick joke now.

 

Santon is a decent footballer but a poor defender.

 

An Everton win on the 2nd is going to see the knives out, a cup exit to Brighton will see a few of them being thrown in the direction of Pardew, rightly or wrongly. He'll do well to survive January under those circumstances at most large-ish clubs, but second guessing how Ashley would react to things getting worse is pointless. Lack of an obvious decent other option will keep Pardew safe...for the moment.

 

 

Who the fuck is going to want join us next month in this state?....still don't think we'll go down but this season is turning out to be a huge missed oppurtunity, and could get worse before it gets better...but I think it will in the long run.

 

Both I think. Was still disappointed with the way we crumbled yesterday though. Could have at least retained some dignity for the fans' sake. A few players made no effort to come back and try and defend when they were running ragged in the last 20 minutes.

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We've been so unfortunate with injuries as well. I do believe we have looked good the last three games but just unlucky, if someone said to me you'll go to Old Trafford and The Emirites and score three goals respectively I'd of been rubbing my hands together.

Hopefully two or three additions in January and we can really start to push on and move away from the bottom half of the table, hopefully a CB and a RB.

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We've been so unfortunate with injuries as well. I do believe we have looked good the last three games but just unlucky, if someone said to me you'll go to Old Trafford and The Emirites and score three goals respectively I'd of been rubbing my hands together.

Hopefully two or three additions in January and we can really start to push on and move away from the bottom half of the table, hopefully a CB and a RB.

 

Like has been said a million times we should have foreseen this in the summer. Blame lies as much on our visionary top management as on bad luck.

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Extremely tired legs killed us at the end, they can be proud of our last 2 performances

 

 

Are we all really supposed to swallow this shite about extremely tired legs, it's pathetic.

I've heard it repeated so many times I'm starting to think everyone's still pissed from Christmas.

These players have played the same amount of games as most other teams and will, no doubt, have not trained heavily in between games.

Sorry but it's a very poor excuse for the way they laid down and died last night.

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Plenty of positives to take from the first 90mins against Man U and the first 73mins against Arsenal

 

The rumours of colo wanting to leave are alarming though. I'm not sure where our goals are going to come from if we let Ba go and Marveaux seems to be doing the job we've asked of Jonas all season and yet he's rumoured to be off too. The next 4 weeks could have a big bearing on the next few years of this club. Keep everyone and buy a striker,LB,CB and we will be fine. History suggests that's wishful thinking however

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Are we all really supposed to swallow this shite about extremely tired legs, it's pathetic.

I've heard it repeated so many times I'm starting to think everyone's still pissed from Christmas.

These players have played the same amount of games as most other teams and will, no doubt, have not trained heavily in between games.

Sorry but it's a very poor excuse for the way they laid down and died last night.

 

There will be some truth in it following a great display against Man U and a great display (70 minutes) against Arsenal, but the main cause of the capitulation IMO was Pardews subs and near total reorganisation of the team for the last 10-15 minutes.

 

Went chasing the draw and it backfired.

 

Still great heart has to be taken from recent displays. Personally I think the corner has been turned and we won't score six and get nowt very often.

 

The danger is Pardew losing his new found attacking nerve and making us more defensive again.

 

The back four can only be solved by transfers and hopefully we can get two descents in that area as all of them look fucking dreadful at the minute.

 

Gutted to get nowt but positive for the run in.

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Tavernier has to come in for Simpson. Has to. Cant be any worse can he? At least he might develop into something useful for the future. Simpson is beyond hope

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Cabaye closer to a return than HBA last I read, Cabaye possibly early than anticipated (which to me means he might be back on time which is still a month away). Worrying that Ben Arfa is still that far away. I don't think there is a date on either Jonas or Anita yet though I could be wrong. Hopefully they'll both be available before Cabaye.

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What killed us, apart from atrocious defending, was the change in shape/tactics. Taking a midfielder off for Shola and pushing cissé further forward simple further exposed our flailing defense. I can understand pardew's thought process, however it was a bit narrow-sighted. This is supported by the fact we shipped 3 (nearly 4) since the substitution in the 82nd minute. Also would like to note Simpson was woeful. This man should be backup at best. Was simply going through the motions (struggled doing that as well) yesterday. However I don't think its all doom and gloom, there were positives to take out. It's how we react now that is key.

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