ewerk 26303 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Renton said: NI won't get this in the present parliament. It would undoubtedly lead to a unified Ireland in time which the unionists will NEVER accept. I'll be honest though, I'm confused at what the state of play is. We'll get this in March 2019 if everything goes to plan. Whether the Tories will survive until then though is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17749 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) I'd concur that in one way or another NI will stay in the SM or EEA. I just hope it's the way in which we all will. If somehow DUP are bribed/placated (extremely unlikely imo) then Scotland have a completely legitimate right to expect the same. A hard border at Berwick would be a fucking disaster for the NE. Edited December 4, 2017 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 The whole thing is a fucking disaster for the NE though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14035 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Seems fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26303 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Arlene Foster is due to address the press shortly. This should be the shit hits the fan. Stormont is about to start smelling like a Theresa May yawn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26303 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, Renton said: If somehow DUP are bribed/placated (extremely unlikely imo) then Scotland have a completely legitimate right to expect the same. We're due to hear from Arlene in the next five minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) Think you guys are hoping for too much... EDIT - although I note Sturgeon has made her bid for Scotland to stay in. The thing is, I just don't see the Tories blindly walking into this without a plan. Edited December 4, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26303 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 The DUP will begin to rebel just as Sinn Fein's seven MPs stride into the House of Commons to take their seats beside the government. Your move, Arlene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26303 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Think you guys are hoping for too much... EDIT - although I note Sturgeon has made her bid for Scotland to stay in. The thing is, I just don't see the Tories blindly walking into this without a plan. Arlene took a shit in Theresa's lap. Basically said it ain't happening. The Tories don't need the DUPs vote to get the deal through parliament but they do need them for other matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, ewerk said: Arlene took a shit in Theresa's lap. Basically said it ain't happening. The Tories don't need the DUPs vote to get the deal through parliament but they do need them for other matters. Unless they agree a deal with the EU that, for all intents and purposes, looks like the Single Market and Customs Union, just under another name. That's the plan, I'm increasingly sure of it. Whether such a thing is remotely possible, is what the government's viability will hinge on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26303 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I can't see the ECJ jurisdiction flying with the leave brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just now, ewerk said: I can't see the ECJ jurisdiction flying with the leave brigade. If they can get the narrative right, who knows. People are so desperate to be proven 'right' about Brexit, that enough fuckwits might swallow it just so that they don't have to admit their stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 It's a shambles. Looks like May has unilaterally agreed this with the Irish without consulting either her cabinet or the DUP. The DUP won't accept regulatory divergence with the UK and her cabinet/wider party won't accept regulatory alignment with the EU. So this is just a stupid PR exercise that's doomed to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 I so badly want to believe this is true, but I expect in a months time we'll have moved onto the next shambles as they will have somehow muddled through this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26303 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Gemmill said: So this is just a stupid PR exercise that's doomed to fail. Any trade deal hinges on the UK keeping their assurances that they've given the EU. If they pull this then the whole thing comes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26303 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 42 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Unless they agree a deal with the EU that, for all intents and purposes, looks like the Single Market and Customs Union, just under another name. That's the plan, I'm increasingly sure of it. Whether such a thing is remotely possible, is what the government's viability will hinge on. Actually, aye, this is what will happen. You can thank us later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26303 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 This has aged well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) Actually, there are some commentators claiming that this is what has happened, with help from the EU. Can't link it easily because I don't use Twitter, but this guy basically: https://twitter.com/bopanc?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fpolitics%2Fblog%2Flive%2F2017%2Fdec%2F04%2Ftheresa-may-heads-to-brussels-hoping-to-conclude-phase-one-of-brexit-talks-politics-live Edited December 4, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/937694603037364224 This is the main bit. Edited December 4, 2017 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26303 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Juncker says no deal yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8870 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 “Planning” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34425 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Scuppered by May's call with the DUP if Twitter is to be believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26303 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 Surely her opposition wasn't unexpected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted December 4, 2017 Share Posted December 4, 2017 This is kinda what I mean though, everything that has happened so far will have been well fucking anticipated by the Tories. Let's not start celebrating until they're actually caught off guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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