Renton 17626 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: unbiased news gathering means reporting the news without editorial comment. unbiased analysis means grilling both sides of the debate equally. the bbc are the uk's standard bearer for impartial news reporting. it's a fucking brilliant institution - imagine if RT was your main source of broadcast news ffs. i seem to remember the daily mail being up in arm when the bbc called out johnson's lies about the 350m a week. Now you're comparing it to Russian media? The BBC never grill Brexiteers man. The whole of leave was based on provable lies. I'll give you an example. In the campaign Penny Mordaunt claimed the UK couldn't veto Turkey joining the EU on the BBC. A blatant lie, unchallenged, which probably had a huge effect as it placed credence to the horrible UKip campaign. I'll give you another. Two days ago the immigration Minister Caroline Nokes staggeringly said she had never read the GFA or visited the NI border. Bizarrely, she claimed it was because she was probably giving birth 20 years ago. Was this reported? No, other than buried in the NI pages of the website These aren't isolated examples, it's typical of the BBC's coverage. I'll ask you a question then. I'm sure you agree that it is the BBC's duty to inform the public about important issues like Brexit. Now, do you think the public is well I formed on it? No? Then that failing is at least partly to do with the BBC. Edited May 25, 2018 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19737 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 what's this, it took me 10 seconds to google - oh look, it's james o'brien grilling brexiteer andrea leadsom on brexit bullshit WHO'D A THOUGHT IT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30245 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: i'm defending the bbc against renton's accusation of government bias. you stuck your oar in so i presumed you agreed, hence the request for clarification. no fake news here move along I was teasing a bit with my previous replies although only a bit and stand by almost all of what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30245 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: what's this, it took me 10 seconds to google - oh look, it's james o'brien grilling brexiteer andrea leadsom on brexit bullshit WHO'D A THOUGHT IT? Exception that proves the rule tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19737 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Renton said: Now you're comparing it to Russian media? The BBC never grill Brexiteers man. The whole of leave was based on provable lies. I'll give you an example. In the campaign Penny Mordaunt claimed the UK couldn't veto Turkey joining the EU on the BBC. A blatant lie, unchallenged, which probably had a huge effect as it placed credence to the horrible UKip campaign. I'll give you another. Two days ago the immigration Minister Caroline Nokes staggeringly said she had never read the GFA or visited the NI border. Bizarrely, she claimed it was because she was probably giving birth 20 years ago. Was this reported? No, other than buried in the NI pages of the website These aren't isolated examples, it's typical of the BBC's coverage. I'll ask you a question then. I'm sure you agree that it is the BBC's duty to inform the public about important issues like Brexit. Now, do you think the public is well I formed on it? No? Then that failing is at least partly to do with the BBC. The public aren't well informed about brexit, but i don't blame the bbc for that - i blame the daily mail, the sun and others. And as for the BBC's failure to grill brexiteers - just watch the Leadsom interview I just posted - and the many like it on the newsnight archive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26186 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: what's this, it took me 10 seconds to google - oh look, it's james o'brien grilling brexiteer andrea leadsom on brexit bullshit WHO'D A THOUGHT IT? The same James O'Brien who had to leave Newsnight because he could no longer abide by their impartiality rules? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30245 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 That's kind of the point though. It happens to an extent on political shows like Newsnight but on a lot more mainstream shows statements go unchallenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 40 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: utter bollocks, sorry i presumed you watched newsnight because what you accuse the bbc of failing to do is exactly what that show does every night of the week. Having spent some time trawling through youtube trying to find clips of 'robust' challenges on Brexiteers, tbf I did find this one: May well have been covered before, but to my view this is actually an interview of some substance. Perhaps the issue in my case is that I simply don't know where the BBC keeps it's 'intense' questioning of political figures. I don't watch terrestrial TV at all, so this is perhaps understandable in my case - and their web version is never going to actually commit on the same level I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17626 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 The BBC is essentially funded by taxes (the license fee being pretty much mandatory), and is ultimately dependent for its continued existence on the government. It's a fundamental conflict of interest. Again, I don't have solutions and think the service is brilliant value for iPlayer and radio 4 alone. But in terms of news it's more biased than C4 or Sky imo. Apart from bias, it's news service, including the website, especially the website, is incredibly shallow and vapid. You watch the news and see all those banks of journalists behind on their monitors, and think what the fuck are they actually doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19737 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Well some of us spend half our day chatting shit on toontastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 We'll build our own satellite system if the EU don't let us play with theirs once we leave apparently We can totally afford that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19737 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 The £350m a week has got it covered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 31 minutes ago, Renton said: The BBC is essentially funded by taxes (the license fee being pretty much mandatory), and is ultimately dependent for its continued existence on the government. It's a fundamental conflict of interest. Again, I don't have solutions and think the service is brilliant value for iPlayer and radio 4 alone. But in terms of news it's more biased than C4 or Sky imo. Apart from bias, it's news service, including the website, especially the website, is incredibly shallow and vapid. You watch the news and see all those banks of journalists behind on their monitors, and think what the fuck are they actually doing? I don't actually pay the license fee But in fairness I don't use any of their services, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 30245 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Radio 6 is class 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I don't actually pay the license fee But in fairness I don't use any of their services, so... You'll have them on your doorstep with that carry on! I didn't used to, but they got rid of the loophole so I do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3183 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 During the build up to the Scottish Independence referendum the BBC would have panels with one from each of the main parties claiming that fulfilled their unbiased coverage brief. Regardless of the fact this always ended up with 3 unionists ganging up one one Independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 19737 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I don't actually pay the license fee But in fairness I don't use any of their services, so... Explains a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Andrew said: You'll have them on your doorstep with that carry on! I didn't used to, but they got rid of the loophole so I do now. What loophole? The iPlayer one? I don't watch that either. If they release anything worth watching I just get it on DVD or Netflix. They've left me alone for 6 years and counting now. Edited May 25, 2018 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4183 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: What loophole? The iPlayer one? I don't watch that either. If they release anything worth watching I just get it on DVD or Netflix. They've left me alone for 6 years and counting now. Its not about watching it, its about having the capability of doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 So presumably anyone with internet has to pay the license fee now? Funny that they've not sent me any letters since imposing this if that's true...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17626 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: So presumably anyone with internet has to pay the license fee now? Funny that they've not sent me any letters since imposing this if that's true...? Reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4949 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I checked their website and I'm still good. If you watch anything live you're in trouble, and I don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 3997 Posted May 25, 2018 Author Share Posted May 25, 2018 The comments on here in the last 24 hours. Renton, you’ve gone full foil hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17626 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: The comments on here in the last 24 hours. Renton, you’ve gone full foil hat. Says the man who thinks the moon landings were fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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