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1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Because it would have brought all these arguments to a head a year earlier rather than pretending they were sorted with fudged words.

Who has been fudging their words? It's the British government that has been unable to agree a position, that's their fault, not the EU's.

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10 minutes ago, Renton said:

Why not? It's always been made clear the divorce has to be made before the future relationship can be decided. Do you think we had some leverage? And before you say the 40 billion (which we owe), put that in context. The EU can cover tgat in QE in 1 month. And DExEU itself predicts we will lose FOUR times more than that every single year following Brexit.

 

There never was any leverage. You've been had by Mogg et al. 

 

Because we are now in July and only just beginning to negotiate the future trade deal with them. It would have been much better if we’d had these discussions last year leaving a lot more time decisions to be taken, elections to be run or referendums to take place.

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3 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Who has been fudging their words? It's the British government that has been unable to agree a position, that's their fault, not the EU's.

 

The Irish issue has been fudged by both sides for a year.

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4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

The Irish issue has been fudged by both sides for a year.

No. There was a backstop agreed last year. It is the UK who has failed and is still failing to detail how it would work in operation. The problem is that the Tories have been an absolute mess throughout the entire process.

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21 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Because we are now in July and only just beginning to negotiate the future trade deal with them. It would have been much better if we’d had these discussions last year leaving a lot more time decisions to be taken, elections to be run or referendums to take place.

Maybe it would have been better to decide these things before triggering A50?

 

Literally everything tgat has happened, from the decision to hold the referendum onwards, has been 100% the fault of the Tory party. And yet you blame Labour, the EU, and remainers, as it was predicted on day one you would.You're a joke of a man.

 

:CT:

 

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25 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

Anyway, Boris’s resignation speech today following PMQ’s will no doubt be interesting.

Yeah, him taking the piss out of the people he's meant to represent then you metaphorically rimming him. Can't wait

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12 minutes ago, Renton said:

Maybe it would have been better to decide these things before triggering A50?

 

Literally everything tgat has happened, from the decision to hold the referendum onwards, has been 100% the fault of the Tory party. And yet you blame Labour, the EU, and remainers, as it was predicted on day one you would.You're a joke of a man.

 

:CT:

 

 

Corbyn wanted to trigger Article 50 immediately.

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3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Corbyn wanted to trigger Article 50 immediately.

 

So why wasn't it triggered immediately? Oh yes, that's right, because Labour aren't in power you utter imbecile.

 

:CT:

 

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Just now, Renton said:

 

So why wasn't it triggered immediately? Oh yes, that's right, because Labour aren't in power you utter imbecile.

 

:CT:

 

 

Both parties voted for a refferendum .

 

Both parties voted to trigger article 50

 

Both parties stood at the last election promising to leave the EU, the single market and the customs union.

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2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Both parties voted for a refferendum .

 

Both parties voted to trigger article 50

 

Both parties stood at the last election promising to leave the EU, the single market and the customs union.

So what have Labour done to frustrate that?

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Jug ears has a point for once. Politics is fucked, politicians on both sides of the house are in disarray.

all thanks to David Cameron 

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2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Both parties voted for a refferendum .

 

Both parties voted to trigger article 50

 

Both parties stood at the last election promising to leave the EU, the single market and the customs union.

 

So let me get this straight. It's Labour"s fault for voting to let the conservatives trigger A50 (even though they couldn't have blocked it)? By implication, you agree that Brexit is now a bad idea? Fucking hell, glad that's sorted. 

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6 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

So let me get this straight. It's Labour"s fault for voting to let the conservatives trigger A50 (even though they couldn't have blocked it)? By implication, you agree that Brexit is now a bad idea? Fucking hell, glad that's sorted. 

 

Not at all :lol:

 

Its very simple, if Labour had stood up to their voted position and worked with the government then we would be in a much stronger position both at Westminster and in Europe.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Not at all :lol:

 

Its very simple, if Labour had stood up to their voted position and worked with the government then we would be in a much stronger position both at Westminster and in Europe.

 

 

I'll ask it again. What have Labour done to frustrate the leaving of the EU?

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Sinn Fein seem to be coming under fire in Ireland for not attending Parliament and voting against the amendments. I guess that would have done it as well, on at least some of the issues.

 

Annoying.

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7 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Not at all :lol:

 

Its very simple, if Labour had stood up to their voted position and worked with the government then we would be in a much stronger position both at Westminster and in Europe.

 

 

 

The conservatives are in government, not Labour. May never offered a cross-party consensus to Brexit, did they? And in fact, Labour have been completely useless in opposing any of the government's Brexit approach, haven't they? And additionally, it is actually the ERG that have succeeded in implementing their wrecking ball amendment which now doom us to no deal, isn't it?

 

Now fuck off with the wummery you thick lard arsed turbocunt.

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Just now, Rayvin said:

Sinn Fein seem to be coming under fire in Ireland for not attending Parliament and voting against the amendments. I guess that would have done it as well, on at least some of the issues.

 

Annoying.

News to me.

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6 minutes ago, ewerk said:

News to me.

It's in the Guardian feed. The Republic are now fully preparing for no deal as they have rightly concluded Westminster is broken and there is fuck all they or the EU can do about it. 

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21 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I'll ask it again. What have Labour done to frustrate the leaving of the EU?

 

Voted against every bit of Brexit legislation, come up with their own vague impossible shifting position and concentrated on trying to obstruct the whole process. 

 

This issue is is bigger than party politics, particularly given main votes and manifestos.

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26 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

The conservatives are in government, not Labour. May never offered a cross-party consensus to Brexit, did they? And in fact, Labour have been completely useless in opposing any of the government's Brexit approach, haven't they? And additionally, it is actually the ERG that have succeeded in implementing their wrecking ball amendment which now doom us to no deal, isn't it?

 

Now fuck off with the wummery you thick lard arsed turbocunt.

 

:lol: return of the screaming fanny. Go and have a lye down.

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3 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

Voted against every bit of Brexit legislation, come up with their own vague impossible shifting position and concentrated on trying to obstruct the whole process. 

 

This issue is is bigger than party politics, particularly given main votes and manifestos.

 

They haven't had any impact on Brexit at all. The issue is above party politics you say? I fully agree. 8n which case, why hasn't May facilitated cross party consensus? And much more to the point, why is the conservative party ripping itself apart internally?

 

Labour are an irrelevance and I despise Corbyn as much as May. Your whataboutery is not a defence of the conservatives however. 

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